Hello, All.

I'm sitting here reading various conversations around the echos, some of which I've participated in, some that I haven't.

There is a range of topics involved, and I'm not going tp get into specifics here. Most of them, if you get to the heart of it pretty much break down to people trying something different. And other people not liking it.

That's perfectly fine. Not everyone is going to like the same things that everyone else likes. We're human beings. We all have our own opinions and our own preferences. We aren't cardboard cut outs of each other.

But what I'm not understanding is people's resistance to something new here.

The Fidonet community, and the wider BBS world, has always been to me a group of people who celebrated new things.

New software, new hardware, new technology, new program languages, someone somewhere would try it, and see if it could be adapted for our community. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But ordinarily people gave it a chance to see how it worked out, offering suggestions they thought might make it better.

Now it seems that people are more stuck in the idea that new is a bad thing. You try something new, or even express an idea of something new, people's reaction is "why?"

It's like people think something new will somehow invalidate almost 40 years of BBS history. Instead, I would hope that they could see that it's a celebration of that history, and showing that it is still relevant in the modern world, and very much still has something to offer.

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Charles Pierson wrote to All <=-

The Fidonet community, and the wider BBS world, has always been to me a group of people who celebrated new things.

New software, new hardware, new technology, new program languages,
someone somewhere would try it, and see if it could be adapted for our community. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But ordinarily people gave it a chance to see how it worked out, offering suggestions they thought might make it better.

See my other echomail for my thoughts.

Now it seems that people are more stuck in the idea that new is a bad thing. You try something new, or even express an idea of something
new, people's reaction is "why?"

I think you're missing my point. New isn't bad, but there's a quality
to Fidonet messaging that is missing in the Telegram side.

It's like people think something new will somehow invalidate almost 40 years of BBS history. Instead, I would hope that they could see that
it's a celebration of that history, and showing that it is still
relevant in the modern world, and very much still has something to
offer.

I don't agree, and I like the idea of opening Fidonet messaging
through other means, like web interfaces and Telegram. I want to
see it done in a way that preserves the qualities that make Fidonet
messaging unique and it'll all be well. Otherwise, why bother?





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Hi, Charles!

18 ­®ï 20 11:51, Charles Pierson -> Kurt Weiske:

Currently, I think there are about 12 echos linked to Telegram.

For now it is 36...

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

What does that translate to in MB or GB per day or month on average?


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Hi, Wilfred!

20 ­®ï 20 09:51, Wilfred van Velzen -> Stas Mishchenkov:

Currently, I think there are about 12 echos linked to Telegram.

For now it is 36...

But I suppose most of them are russian-language ones?

I didn't count. I think there are more English speakers.

Btw: How was the Telegram "gating" received in your part of the
world?
Any opposition like we see here?

About the same. 1-2 sysops are nervous that their messages may appear on Telegram servers. 1-2 sysops are nervous about the inconsistency of the message format and communication style. The rest are happy to use it. Sometimes requests come to connect an echo conference to my Telegram BBS.

PS: Let's count...

LORAPVT.BIGFILES -1001417964485
LORAPVT.HORO -1001306017407
LORAPVT -367920550
# My local areas for personal usage

CRIMEA.TALK -1001426269798

PVT.ZONA -1001475402922
# Publik open group

HOBBIT.TEST -1001223938142
#local area for testing

FIDONET.UNOFICIAL -1001373803050
FIDONET.ONLINE -1001203354493
# two open areas

RU.SEX.SIMVOL -1001254830976 fileonly toUUE -dn
FUTURE4FIDO -1001231012163
DOS -1001185473479
COFFEE_KLATSCH -1001206383505
DOOM -1001232254932
DOORGAMES -1001447416576
ESSNASA -1001444430975
FIDO_UTIL -1001472792656
MOVIES -1001455266368
TAGLINES -1001363138878
TUXPOWER -1001152530816
UUE.DEVOCHKI -1001252602690 fileonly toUUE -dn
OBEC.PACTET -1001488143528
CHAT -1001256631918
SU.TOLKIEN -1001130922332
UPORTAL.SYTES.NET -1001468916746
RETAIL_HORROR -1001392980223
ASIAN_LINK -1001313913131
X-FILES -1001225305537
NZ_FIDONET -1001397868255
TYT.BCE.HACPEM -1001260395870 toUUE -dn
AUDIO -1001318135575
MUSIC -1001390192946
R46.CRISIS -422626092


Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hi, August!

20 ­®ï 20 16:44, August Abolins -> Stas Mishchenkov:

Currently, I think there are about 12 echos linked to Telegram.

For now it is 36...

What does that translate to in MB or GB per day or month on average?

I can't even imagine approximately. I didn't count.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hi, August!

20 ­®ï 20 16:44, August Abolins -> Stas Mishchenkov:

Currently, I think there are about 12 echos linked to Telegram. SM>>

For now it is 36...

What does that translate to in MB or GB per day or month on average?

I can't even imagine approximately. I didn't count.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

Considering that you also process some UUE groups based on the list you posted, I would imagine that it adds up.


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Hi, August!

20 ­®ï 20 18:40, Stas Mishchenkov -> August Abolins:

Considering that you also process some UUE groups based on the list AA>> you posted, I would imagine that it adds up.

Yes. And they are recoded in both directions, as you can see from the options.
https://t.me/joinchat/H99gCEqpM0KXlCu2-Tl7Xg https://t.me/joinchat/H99gCErLM4ALx4kODjO9Ew
Warning! Erotic content.

BTW, it is very easy to send files UUEencoded to such echo conferences via the Telegram BBS. It is enough just to drag them with the mouse. ;)

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

But considering that Telegram has a maximum char count (was it about 2500?) don't the uue files break in the middle of a row?


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Hi, August!

20 ­®ï 20 18:40, Stas Mishchenkov -> August Abolins:

Considering that you also process some UUE groups based on the list AA>> you posted, I would imagine that it adds up.

Yes. And they are recoded in both directions, as you can see from the options.
https://t.me/joinchat/H99gCEqpM0KXlCu2-Tl7Xg https://t.me/joinchat/H99gCErLM4ALx4kODjO9Ew
Warning! Erotic content.

BTW, it is very easy to send files UUEencoded to such echo conferences via the Telegram BBS. It is enough just to drag them with the mouse. ;)

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

Oh NEVERMIND. I get it. You convert the UUE files to full files on your BBS and then they are available with a link using Telegram?


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