• Re: Question: Telegram

    From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to August Abolins on Mon Sep 7 00:39:04 2020
    On 09-06-20 09:13, August Abolins <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Question: Telegram <=-

    Ah.. Thanks for clarifying your confusion. I suppose that we
    should have referred to Telegram with its official descriptive
    name somewhere in the beginning as Telegram Messenger.

    This describes it quite nicely:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegram_(software)

    The idea is to make echomail accessible on a smartphone. Think
    of it as an alternative to the HotdogEd or Aftershock methods.

    For some, that could well be desirable -- but I don't have a smart
    phone. Just regular lane-line.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Charles Pierson on Mon Sep 7 19:02:00 2020
    Hello Charles!

    ** On Monday 07.09.20 - 17:40, Charles Pierson wrote to August Abolins:

    If you would like to give it shot on your smartphone,
    install Telegram and send me a Telegram message to
    @aabolins. I'll hook you up to the namesake FUTURE4FIDO
    "group" over there.

    Does it currently only work with this echo?

    Yes. FUTURE4FIDO is the only english-speaking Fidonet echo
    gated on Telegram that I am aware of.

    Hopefully more echo moderators would open up to the idea.

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  • From Charles Pierson@2:240/1120.976 to August Abolins on Mon Sep 7 17:40:16 2020
    Hello, August Abolins.
    On 9/6/20 9:13 AM you wrote:

    If you would like to give it shot on your smartphone, install
    Telegram and send me a Telegram message to @aabolins. I'll hook
    you up to the namesake FUTURE4FIDO "group" over there.

    Does it currently only work with this echo?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to August Abolins on Mon Sep 7 16:39:52 2020
    That's great. To make Stas' job easier, and to give yourself
    good moderator control of users, create the groups on Telegram
    yourself - I would suggest as PRIVATE groups.

    If I had to put on my moderator hat I would do that from the fido side. So far I haven't had to do that and I don't see that becoming an issue.

    Then, give Stas the heads up and he would attach his Fido2telebot to them.

    I don't actually run telegram myself, or any messaging app so I don't know these things at all. In this case someone else would need to create the groups or whatever is needed to make this possible. You could do that if you are so inclined for one or all of those areas. :)

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Charles Pierson on Mon Sep 7 20:12:00 2020
    Hello Charles!

    ** On Monday 07.09.20 - 18:22, Charles Pierson wrote to August Abolins:

    ... Hopefully more echo moderators would open up to the
    idea.

    That would be nice. It's a great sounding idea. But with
    only the one echo, it's kind of difficult to see it truly
    working well.

    Of course. The Telegram gate only came to my attention not
    long ago. The whole concept is still quite new to me. This
    echo has been a sort of 1st experiment for the last month or
    so. I'm using TgM with the DT (desktop) version, and the
    results are pretty good.

    The concept is probably ready for prime time; that is, more
    echos! :)

    I don't see every echo suitable for this though. It's really up
    to a moderator to decide.

    I see that you are settled with HotdogEd. Tapping on a virtual
    keyboard in a reply like this one would give me sore finger
    joints. :D But, the whole idea is to a have handy portable
    access to the echos to read. Replying is totally optional.

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  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/5858 to Alan Ianson on Tue Sep 8 11:17:34 2020
    Hi, Alan!

    07 сен 20 16:15, Alan Ianson -> August Abolins:

    I moderate the following areas. The good folks in charge of TgM are welcome in any of these if they choose.

    DOS
    FIDO-REQ

    These have now started gating like private groups in Telegram. August added to them. All members of the group can add others to the group. I can do it in open groups, but it is fraught with SPAM.
    As I create other echo conferences, I will do the same.

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

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  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/5858 to August Abolins on Tue Sep 8 11:26:42 2020
    Hi, August!

    07 сен 20 19:26, August Abolins -> Alan Ianson:

    That's great. To make Stas' job easier, and to give yourself
    good moderator control of users, create the groups on Telegram

    Better myself. :)

    yourself - I would suggest as PRIVATE groups. Then, give Stas
    the heads up and he would attach his Fido2telebot to them.

    It is enough to tell me the username in Telegram so that I can make it an administrator.

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

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  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/5858 to Charles Pierson on Tue Sep 8 12:27:58 2020
    Hi, Charles!

    07 сен 20 18:22, Charles Pierson -> August Abolins:

    That would be nice. It's a great sounding idea. But with only the one echo, it's kind of difficult to see it truly working well.

    I think it is worth creating an open GATE2FIDO group and to link it to the echo conference of the same name.

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

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  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/5858 to Alan Ianson on Tue Sep 8 14:37:08 2020
    Hi, Alan!

    07 сен 20 16:39, Alan Ianson -> August Abolins:

    If I had to put on my moderator hat I would do that from the fido
    side. So far I haven't had to do that and I don't see that becoming an issue.

    In this case, you should to contact me in case of violations by telegram users and I will block such violators.

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Stas Mishchenkov on Tue Sep 8 09:24:00 2020
    Hello Stas!

    ** On Tuesday 08.09.20 - 14:41, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to August Abolins:

    Of course. The Telegram gate only came to my attention not
    long ago. The whole concept is still quite new to me. This
    echo has been a sort of 1st experiment for the last month or
    so.

    Not at all. The first experiments were carried out with Russian-language echo conferences.

    What I meant was that "this echo", the FUTURE4FIDO echo, is the
    1st backboned and english echo experiment that I was aware of.

    I *did* learn about the gate's pre-existence moving Russian-
    language echos.

    When did Fido2telebot first go live?


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  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Stas Mishchenkov on Tue Sep 8 22:26:02 2020
    On 08/09/2020 5:27 a.m., Stas Mishchenkov : Charles Pierson wrote:

    I think it is worth creating an open GATE2FIDO group and to link it to the
    echo conference of the same name.
    Do mean like a dedicated public echo so that the Telegram user can find a good starting point to enter the FTN world of echos?

    Hmmm. THEGATE2FIDO would be cool, because there is no other than "the" gate. ;)

    How 'bout a read-only (via supergroup) group on the Telegram side that has sufficient information of all the currently gated echos. Read-only would be a good way to thwart spammers, trolls, and stupid questions.

    A moderator could then optionally manage the salient content/echo updates from the FTN side.

    I'm just considering aspects that would help minimize too much administrative and moderator-like WORK for you.


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  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/5858 to August Abolins on Wed Sep 9 12:13:50 2020
    Hi, August!

    08 сен 20 09:24, August Abolins -> Stas Mishchenkov:

    When did Fido2telebot first go live?

    I don't remember the exact date, but about a year and a half ago.

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Charles Pierson on Wed Sep 9 23:22:00 2020
    Hello Charles!

    ** On Wednesday 09.09.20 - 22:04, Charles Pierson wrote to August Abolins:

    If you could assign your work a version number, what
    would it be at this time?

    Is it strictly for FIDO, or could it potentially work
    with other networks?

    That is something that Stas can only answer. ;)

    It's about 6:30a in Crimea at the time of this writing. He may
    join the conversation soon.

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  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/5858 to Charles Pierson on Thu Sep 10 12:27:04 2020
    Hi, Charles!

    09 сен 20 22:04, Charles Pierson -> August Abolins:

    Is it strictly for FIDO, or could it potentially work with other
    networks?

    The gate can work in any FTN network.

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

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  • From Charles Pierson@2:240/1120.976 to Stas Mishchenkov on Thu Sep 10 06:13:22 2020
    Hello, Stas Mishchenkov.
    On 9/10/20 12:27 PM you wrote:

    Is it strictly for FIDO, or could it potentially work with other
    networks?
    The gate can work in any FTN network.

    That's interesting. I might look into interest in that.

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  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/5858 to Tony Langdon on Fri Sep 11 23:22:06 2020
    Hi, Tony!

    11 сен 20 20:19, Tony Langdon -> Stas Mishchenkov:

    Is it strictly for FIDO, or could it potentially work with other
    networks?

    The gate can work in any FTN network.

    At this stage, as long as you're part of the netowrk, I'm guessing. ;)

    BTW, in the process of working on creating a gate, I gathered a sufficient library of procedures to write a good tosser on a pearl. ;)

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to August Abolins on Sat Sep 12 15:56:00 2020
    On 09-11-20 17:31, August Abolins wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Ja.. TgM gating is like Jamnntp gating - an extension of the
    bbs system that implements it.

    Yes, true, it gives more options. :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Stas Mishchenkov on Sat Sep 12 16:01:00 2020
    On 09-11-20 23:22, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    BTW, in the process of working on creating a gate, I gathered a
    sufficient library of procedures to write a good tosser on a pearl. ;)

    If a more portable version of the Telegram gate ever comes about, I would be interested in running one on my othernet. :)


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  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/5858 to Tony Langdon on Sat Sep 12 13:35:30 2020
    Hi, Tony!

    12 сен 20 16:01, Tony Langdon -> Stas Mishchenkov:

    BTW, in the process of working on creating a gate, I gathered a
    sufficient library of procedures to write a good tosser on a pearl.
    ;)

    If a more portable version of the Telegram gate ever comes about, I would be interested in running one on my othernet. :)

    The new part of the gate, copying messages from Fido to Telegram, is quite portable. With a little portability tweak, I can share it. The part copying from Telegram to Fido requires much more effort for its portability and I don't know yet when I will take it.

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Stas Mishchenkov on Mon Sep 14 18:05:00 2020
    On 09-13-20 13:20, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Hi, Tony!

    13 сен 20 18:46, Tony Langdon -> Stas Mishchenkov:

    I'm guessing it will eventually happen, emphasis on "eventually". ;)

    If everything goes as I expect, then by about March 2021 it is quite possible.

    Cool, I'll keep an eye on progress, and will definitely be interested to unleash it on my net, once it's portable.


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Stas Mishchenkov on Mon Sep 14 18:09:00 2020
    On 09-13-20 20:20, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Something tells me that I will leave the net only with my feet forward. But it can happen at any moment.

    Haha, that's commitment. ;)


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