Nigel Reed wrote to All <=-

Gert, I am having problems polling your FTN.
It keeps saying sesion aborted.

All of Gert's networks are effed up, as usual. and he's not
responding to emails, as usual.

got M_BSY: Too many servers

I think it's time to let these dead networks die.

I think it's *WELL* past time to do that.



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On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 22:18:00 -0500
"Dan Clough" <dan.clough@1:123/115> wrote:

Nigel Reed wrote to All <=-

Gert, I am having problems polling your FTN.
It keeps saying sesion aborted.

All of Gert's networks are effed up, as usual. and he's not
responding to emails, as usual.

got M_BSY: Too many servers

I think it's time to let these dead networks die.

I think it's *WELL* past time to do that.

It's a shame. I like the idea because some of the echoes but there's
just not the traffic any more to justify so many of them. There's
really only need for one or two networks. It's not like the philosophy
isn't the same. No flaming, be kind, don't abuse the network etc. etc.

Maybe FSX could be that network. It's busy, probably the first network
other than Fido a lot of sysops add. I am sure Avon wouldn't be against expanding the number of groups to take up where other networks get
dropped. pinet for example, I doubt we need an entire network dedicated
to Rpis when a single echo should do the job. There really isn't that
much traffic.
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Re: Re: Polling
By: Mike Powell to NIGEL REED on Sun Mar 27 2022 10:51:00

Does Gert run Pi Net now?

Actually, no. But that's another sysop who can't keep his shit on. I'm about to delink from them all. I thought it was a nice idea to carry as many networks as I can, but then I think I'm the only sysops who cares if he can connect or not.
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On 27 Mar 22 22:58:48, Nigel Reed said the following to Mike Powell:

Does Gert run Pi Net now?

Actually, no. But that's another sysop who can't keep his shit on. I'm abou to delink from them all. I thought it was a nice idea to carry as many networks as I can, but then I think I'm the only sysops who cares if he can connect or not.

With maybe one or two exceptions, I'm finding that Othernets tend to have the same Sysops, same topics, same noise-factor.

Nick

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On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 07:43:08 +0000
"Nick Andre" <nick.andre@1:229/426> wrote:

On 27 Mar 22 22:58:48, Nigel Reed said the following to Mike Powell:

Does Gert run Pi Net now?

Actually, no. But that's another sysop who can't keep his shit
on. I'm abou to delink from them all. I thought it was a nice
idea to carry as many networks as I can, but then I think I'm the
only sysops who cares if he can connect or not.

With maybe one or two exceptions, I'm finding that Othernets tend to
have the same Sysops, same topics, same noise-factor.

and then just like that...it all starts working lol.



2022-03-28 10:41:57 Imported: 3 msgs av_advbbsad <- ADV_BBSADS 2022-03-28 10:41:57 Imported: 3 msgs av_advnetad <- ADV_NETADS 2022-03-28 10:41:57 Imported: 87 msgs av_advrecon <- ADV_RECONS 2022-03-28 10:41:57 Imported: 696 msgs av_advscore <- ADV_SCORES 2022-03-28 10:41:57 Imported: 3 msgs jxjn_bbsad <- JN_BBSAD 2022-03-28 10:41:57 Imported: 24 msgs jxjn_files <- JN_FILES 2022-03-28 10:41:57 Imported: 3 msgs jxjnothern <-
JN_OTHERNETS
2022-03-28 10:41:57 Imported: 30 msgs lnlinuxnl9 <- LINUXNET.NEWALLFILE
2022-03-28 10:41:57 Imported: 2 msgs stnarchiver <-
STN.ARCHIVERS
2022-03-28 10:41:57 Imported: 29 msgs stn.bbs.ads <-
STN.BBS.ADS
2022-03-28 10:41:57 Imported: 2 msgs stn.echoint <-
STN.ECHOINT
2022-03-28 10:41:57 Imported: 54 msgs stnnewfiles <-
STN.NEWFILES
2022-03-28 10:41:57 Imported: 30 msgs pasnewfile <- PAS.NEWFILE 2022-03-28 10:41:57 Imported: 3 msgs rm_bbs-ads <- RM_BBS-ADS 2022-03-28 10:41:57 Duplicate: 3 detected in GN.BBSAD
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Hello Nick Andre!

** On Monday 28.03.22 - 07:43, Nick Andre wrote to Nigel Reed:

On 27 Mar 22 22:58:48, Nigel Reed said the following to Mike Powell:

Does Gert run Pi Net now?

Actually, no. But that's another sysop who can't keep his
shit on. I'm abou to delink from them all. I thought it
was a nice idea to carry as many networks as I can, but
then I think I'm the only sysops who cares if he can
connect or not.

With maybe one or two exceptions, I'm finding that
Othernets tend to have the same Sysops, same topics, same
noise-factor.

That's probably because the current flock of sysops are poor
marketters and don't know how to attract a plain-ol' user.

;)

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Hello Nigel Reed!

** On Monday 28.03.22 - 10:26, Nigel Reed wrote to All:

With maybe one or two exceptions, I'm finding that Othernets tend to
have the same Sysops, same topics, same noise-factor.

That about sums it up. We just don't have the user base to support such
a diverse number of networks. I've got 1899 echoes on my BBS and I
expect that maybe a fraction of them get any traffic.

Your system is amazing. The nntp part is a nice way to provide
outreach.

Most of the potential users are probably hanging out on their
smartphones. Aftershock and Hotdoged are cool tools, but they
have a bit of a learning curve for the average user. Telegram
+ @Fido2telebot is a much simpler and viable choice.

Once linked up to BBSes via the phones, perhaps those users can
be made aware that there are ways to enhance the echomail/bbs
experience on a desktop/laptop.

Too bad, that sysops in general are poor marketers of their own
hobby.

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On 28 Mar 22 10:26:27, Nigel Reed said the following to All:

That about sums it up. We just don't have the user base to support such
a diverse number of networks. I've got 1899 echoes on my BBS and I
expect that maybe a fraction of them get any traffic.

Most of it is from test posts seeing if people are getting out because
it's so quiet.

I've actually contemplated completely disconnecting myself from everything and just answer Netmail.

I have a few friends I've traded banter with privately for years now and I
find thats enough enjoyment for me. Its nice to converse that way without someone else chiming in. All of the echoes I'm tempted to put on Passthru for all my links with maybe just a small number of ones I "have" to participate left on my board.

If something is important or at least mildly amusing then I'm sure someone will bring it to my attention.

Theres just too much noise I beginning not to care for anymore. Test messages are skipped and I don't care about discussing Linux or other BBS software or Russia or the toppings preferred on my pizza or whatever.

Nick

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On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 15:42:00 -0400
"Mike Powell" <mike.powell@1:2320/105> wrote:

Actually, no. But that's another sysop who can't keep his shit on.
I'm about to delink from them all. I thought it was a nice idea to
carry as many networks as I can, but then I think I'm the only
sysops who cares if he can connect or not.

My problem is not with not being able to connect, but with no traffic
even when I do connect.

Pinet, Scinet, and some others are pretty dead.

I tried to revive Scinet with a topic and then it just died because, as
you say, no participation.
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 13:47:00 -0400
"August Abolins" <august.abolins@2:221/1.58> wrote:

Hello Nigel Reed!

** On Monday 28.03.22 - 10:26, Nigel Reed wrote to All:

With maybe one or two exceptions, I'm finding that Othernets tend
to have the same Sysops, same topics, same noise-factor.

That about sums it up. We just don't have the user base to
support such a diverse number of networks. I've got 1899 echoes
on my BBS and I expect that maybe a fraction of them get any
traffic.

Your system is amazing. The nntp part is a nice way to provide
outreach.

I'd like to provide an nntp newsfeed for my users, but I'm not sure how
to do it, other than importing every single nntp group into synchronet
and I don't think that's really feasible.

Also, I would want people posting to usenet as their own account and
since my nntp server is remote from my BBS, I'd have to script some
sort of user editor to sync the bbs with usenet.
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Hello Nick,

That about sums it up. We just don't have the user base to support such
a diverse number of networks. I've got 1899 echoes on my BBS and I
expect that maybe a fraction of them get any traffic.

Most of it is from test posts seeing if people are getting out because
it's so quiet.

I've actually contemplated completely disconnecting myself from everything and just answer Netmail.

Echomail is just another flavor of Netmail.

Even I can do that, limiting myself to Netmail only.
But why miss out on all the other fun?

I have a few friends I've traded banter with privately for years now and I find thats enough enjoyment for me. Its nice to converse that way without someone else chiming in.

Fidonet is a community of sysops (and probationary sysops).
Not just individuals who wish to limit themselves to two-person
private communications.

All of the echoes I'm tempted to put on Passthru for all my links with maybe
just a small number of ones I "have" to participate >left on my board.

Why go through all that trouble when a simple email account will do?

If something is important or at least mildly amusing then I'm sure someone will bring it to my attention.

Then why run a BBS or be a member of Fidonet?

Theres just too much noise I beginning not to care for anymore. Test messages are skipped and I don't care about discussing Linux or other BBS software or Russia or the toppings preferred on my pizza or whatever.

Start your own echo and name yourself as moderator/facilitator/god.

--Lee

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Re: Re: Polling
By: Nigel Reed to All on Mon Mar 28 2022 10:46 am

2022-03-28 10:41:57 Imported: 3 msgs av_advbbsad <- ADV_BBSADS 2022-03-28 10:41:57 Imported: 3 msgs av_advnetad <- ADV_NETADS 2022-03-28 10:41:57 Imported: 87 msgs av_advrecon <- ADV_RECONS 2022-03-28 10:41:57 Imported: 696 msgs av_advscore <- ADV_SCORES 2022-03-28 10:41:57 Imported: 3 msgs jxjn_bbsad <- JN_BBSAD 2022-03-28 10:41:57 Imported: 24 msgs jxjn_files <- JN_FILES

I was like, hey: I like that report format and then realized... oh, that's my software. :-)
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 18:17:45 -0700
"Rob Swindell" <rob.swindell@1:103/705> wrote:

Re: Re: Polling
By: Nigel Reed to All on Mon Mar 28 2022 10:46 am

2022-03-28 10:41:57 Imported: 3 msgs av_advbbsad <-
ADV_BBSADS 2022-03-28 10:41:57 Imported: 3 msgs
av_advnetad <- ADV_NETADS 2022-03-28 10:41:57 Imported: 87 msgs
av_advrecon <- ADV_RECONS 2022-03-28 10:41:57 Imported: 696
msgs av_advscore <- ADV_SCORES 2022-03-28 10:41:57 Imported:
3 msgs jxjn_bbsad <- JN_BBSAD 2022-03-28 10:41:57
Imported: 24 msgs jxjn_files <- JN_FILES

I was like, hey: I like that report format and then realized... oh,
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Haha, I should hope you recognize it :)
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On 2022 Apr 05 09:52:00, you wrote to me:

Did you manage to connect to my VKRadio hub lately? I did find
another issue last week and things seem to be working better.

VKRadio is still not connecting for sestar (IPv4 only if that
matters)... it still gets a timeout with binkd...

I also cannot connect to VKRadio (or DevNet) with IPv4. My logs show this:

Attempting poll for node 432:1/100@vkradio
evnt BINKPOLL JSBinkP/4 callout to 432:1/100@vkradio started
evnt BINKPOLL Connecting to 432:1/100@vkradio at bridge.vkradio.com:24554 evnt BINKPOLL Error 104 (Connection reset by peer) in recv() of first byte of packet header, timeout = 120

interesting... you're getting a "reset by peer" error whereas mine with binkd is just a timeout...

I think it's been that way for a while now, looking back through
logs...

mine has been happening since 2022 Jan 16, i think... i'll bet there's a ton of echomail sitting there waiting to be delivered...

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On 04-05-22 07:30, mark lewis wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

VKRadio is still not connecting for sestar (IPv4 only if that
matters)... it still gets a timeout with binkd...

Sorry about the delays, but this should all be working, was fixed back in June.


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