• Re: SexPOTS

    From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to IB Joe on Sat Feb 20 18:25:02 2021
    Re: Re: SexPOTS
    By: IB Joe to Marceline Jones on Sat Feb 20 2021 04:24 pm

    SexPOTS is a small telnet app that works with a modem. The POTS part of the program name stands for Plain Old Telephone Service ... rumor has it the sex part of the program name was put there because Digital Man wasn't getting any...

    Ha! No, just my attempt at humor: Synchronet "Ex"ternal Plain Ole Telephone System support.
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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Rob Swindell on Sun Feb 21 08:35:10 2021
    On 20 Feb 2021, Rob Swindell said the following...

    Re: Re: SexPOTS
    By: IB Joe to Marceline Jones on Sat Feb 20 2021 04:24 pm

    SexPOTS is a small telnet app that works with a modem. The POTS part o program name stands for Plain Old Telephone Service ... rumor has it th part of the program name was put there because Digital Man wasn't getti any...

    Ha! No, just my attempt at humor: Synchronet "Ex"ternal Plain Ole Telephone System support.
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    Okay.... my story is better... and probably true... If I had more time we could explore what Freud would say about your naming conventions... buys drinking coffee right now and have fidonet mail to read...

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
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  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to IB JOE on Thu Feb 25 18:11:00 2021
    If an external mailer like Frontdoor can exit without dropping carrier, and then SexPOTS can pickup and resume carrier and forward the
    connection on to WINServer, then SexPOTS might solve my problem.


    Marceline, I really don't understand what it is your trying to do...
    BUT to answer your question... probably yes.

    I am trying to get a frontend mailer to work with my Windows version of Wildcat (other than Platinum Xpress). From what people have been telling me, only Platinum Xpress works with the Windows versions of Wildcat; but maybe I can use a mailer as a Hub for other nodes and still pass human callers to Wildcat. Then when people ask why I have a mailer but no FTN message areas, I can indict Wildcat's proprietary message base.

    If you setup a windows based mailer... Doesn't matter which one,
    configured that mailer to work with a modem, virtual or otherwise, the mailer will pass to the caller to the program SexPOTS. SexPOTS will
    telnet the user to your BBS. I have tested SexPOTS in the past and it works fine

    Does SexPOTS work with DOS-based mailers ?

    :Start
    -null No 'AT commands' sent to modem
    -com <device> Specify communications port device (or
    number) -baud <rate> Specify baud rate for communications
    port -live [handle] Communications port is already
    open/connected -nohangup Do not hangup (drop DTR) after
    call -host <addr | name> Specify TCP server hostname or IP
    address -port <number> Specify TCP port number
    -debug Enable debug log output
    :Stop

    Looks like the author has covered all the bases with those options.

    see the -host and -port parameters?? That's were you would type in
    the tcp/ip address to your BBS and when SexPOTS fires up it'll take
    them there. If you wanted to put my address there... -host
    joesbbs.com -port 2323 somebody would call your mailer and it would
    pass to my BBS.

    Maybe I can mount your Windows shares so that my BBS callers can read and write directly to your message areas. Maybe you can run some kind of multi-tenant BBS.

    I have uploaded 2 mail tossers on my BBS for you... once you figure
    this out you'll need something to process the mail...
    There you go...

    Can you provide details of the 2 tossers ? do they also scan WC5 mail ?

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Marceline Jones on Thu Feb 25 08:58:22 2021
    On 25 Feb 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...

    If an external mailer like Frontdoor can exit without dropping carrie and then SexPOTS can pickup and resume carrier and forward the connection on to WINServer, then SexPOTS might solve my problem.


    Marceline, I really don't understand what it is your trying to do... BUT to answer your question... probably yes.

    I am trying to get a frontend mailer to work with my Windows version of Wildcat (other than Platinum Xpress). From what people have been telling me, only Platinum Xpress works with the Windows versions of Wildcat; but maybe I can use a mailer as a Hub for other nodes and still pass human callers to Wildcat. Then when people ask why I have a mailer but no FTN message areas, I can indict Wildcat's proprietary message base.


    I have left my phone number to call me... no call.. I spent my own personal time looking for mail processors, found 2, told you about these and uploaded them onto my BBS... and there they sit not downloaded....

    I am end user. I am not a programmer and I'm not technician of some kind. I spent most of my life in the financial field... I can explain a short squeeze with Game Stop.... Anyway, from what I know you cannot do this... there are long, or short,. winded reasons why.... BUT it's just a no go. DOS mailers have challenges working with any Windows Based BBS....

    SexPOTS is a small app that is a telnet server... I used that term loosely... for those who know better do not kill me on this... throw me a bone... If you configure this correctly it'll pass a human caller from a Mailer to a telnet-able BBS... regardless of what kind of BBS you are running. As long as it's telnet-able. In this example the mailer you use has to match SexPOTS... SexPOTS Win32 with Mailer Win32.

    Our good friend in the community, Robert Wolfe, compiled an OS/2 version of SexPOTS.... SO, it should work like I just described... OS/2 Mailer, OS/2 Sexpots.. human caller calls the Mailer and caller gets passed to any telnet-able BBS program.

    Digital Man has put the source code out there... maybe it can be compiled into DOS and or other platforms...

    I have a few questions... Is your goal to get users to log onto your BBS or is it to try and get a old DOS technology to work with current windows based technology.

    If you just want to get old DOS technology to work with current technology you might be in trouble. I'm not sure what is needed to get this to work... Having said this... major Mailers have not been worked on for close to a 1/4 of a century ... If there is a way to do this it was lost in the programmers lack of curiosity in doing it. If Ur goal is just to merge these 2 technologies I probably can't help you any more than I have...

    SexPOTS was made because most current BBS packages did not have a dial up side, this was an answer to that problem. As feature rich as Synchronet & Mystic are, there was no dial in access... So, Digital Man fixed that with this program. WC5 has a dial up side... If it does not have Telnet use NetSerial... and I have gave you links on how to setup WildCat with NetSerial.

    An other question... Why do you have to have a user passed to a BBS if you are not going to have echo mail and files passed to your BBS?? WC5 should be telnet-able and if your version isn't it should work with NetSerial just fine.

    99.999% of the people now a days do not use mailers to pass mail around anyways. You can use either InterNET Rex, shareware, of BinkD, freeware to pass mail around... with little to no effort... free... and again little to no effort... Mystic and Syncronet both have all of this included with their packages... enough said on that.


    Does SexPOTS work with DOS-based mailers ?

    To my understanding, no... Download the source code and play away... keep us posted on your results...


    Looks like the author has covered all the bases with those options.


    He has, and if it wasn't for the brave men and women coding and advancing the software we use we wouldn't be where we are today..


    Maybe I can mount your Windows shares so that my BBS callers can read
    and write directly to your message areas. Maybe you can run some kind of multi-tenant BBS.


    No... the answer(s) are simple... If you want a feature rich BBS experience download SynchroNET or Mystic... both are awesome and both are compete and work out of the box.... You can make these packages look and feel like 1990 again... logon to fqbbs.synchro.net... Sysop made his SynchroNET BBS look so realistic I was impressed... OR... stay with DOS and use a DOS Mailer, tosser and BBS package.... call bbs.dsbbs.ca... This guy has RA up and running. BTW, Nick Andre of D'Bridge fame, made some revisions to his mailer to work Multi-Node ... DOS based BBS technology with a BinkD mailer attached. Use whatever antiquated software you want...

    I have uploaded 2 mail tossers on my BBS for you... once you figure this out you'll need something to process the mail...
    There you go...

    Can you provide details of the 2 tossers ? do they also scan WC5 mail ?

    I have uploaded them to my BBS, they are there for your taking...

    Here's an offer.... call Andrea at Santronics... give her your reg-codes, she'll need them to get PXW to work... I'll start a go fund me page and get you a copy of PXW... I will do that for you... I'll talk to Andrea to see if we can't get a better price. and I'll promote the page until you have the funds needed to get PXW... Legitimate offer... take it... if not there are 100's of examples people using retro software with todays technology... even better ... todays awesome technology made to look retro...

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    SysOp of Joe's BBS
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  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to IB Joe on Thu Feb 25 11:49:16 2021
    Re: Re: SexPOTS
    By: IB Joe to Marceline Jones on Thu Feb 25 2021 08:58 am

    SexPOTS is a small app that is a telnet server...

    SexPOTS is a Telnet *client* not server. It answers incoming serial/modem connections (e.g. "calls") and forwards that traffic to a Telnet/TCP server.
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  • From Ib Joe@1:342/200 to Rob Swindell on Thu Feb 25 13:07:30 2021
    Re: Re: SexPOTS
    By: IB Joe to Marceline Jones on Thu Feb 25 2021 08:58 am

    SexPOTS is a small app that is a telnet server...

    SexPOTS is a Telnet *client* not server. It answers incoming serial/modem

    Thanx Rob... I told you not to tell me that...
    :)
    Joe
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Rob Swindell on Tue Mar 2 20:07:42 2021
    Re: Re: SexPOTS
    By: Rob Swindell to IB Joe on Thu Feb 25 2021 11:49 am

    Re: Re: SexPOTS
    By: IB Joe to Marceline Jones on Thu Feb 25 2021 08:58 am

    SexPOTS is a small app that is a telnet server...

    SexPOTS is a Telnet *client* not server. It answers incoming serial/modem connections (e.g. "calls") and forwards that traffic to a Telnet/TCP server.

    I'm just happy with putty for my own needs. Allows you to reset the font to something more readable.

    xxcarol
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  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to Carol Shenkenberger on Wed Mar 3 17:14:32 2021
    Re: Re: SexPOTS
    By: Carol Shenkenberger to Rob Swindell on Tue Mar 02 2021 08:07 pm

    Re: Re: SexPOTS
    By: Rob Swindell to IB Joe on Thu Feb 25 2021 11:49 am

    Re: Re: SexPOTS
    By: IB Joe to Marceline Jones on Thu Feb 25 2021 08:58 am

    SexPOTS is a small app that is a telnet server...

    SexPOTS is a Telnet *client* not server. It answers incoming serial/modem connections (e.g. "calls") and forwards that traffic to a Telnet/TCP server.

    I'm just happy with putty for my own needs. Allows you to reset the font to something more readable.

    SexPOTS isn't a client in the sense that you run it to connect to a telnet server as a user, but rather it's a "man-in-the-middle" type application which handles the routing of data between the serial port/modem (where the dial-up user has connect) and the Telnet/TCP/IP server (where a BBS or game server is running).

    As for PuTTY as a BBS client, I don't recommend it for most users. I do use PuTTY regularly for SSHing into Linux shells from Windows however.
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  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to IB JOE on Sun Mar 7 18:12:00 2021
    Bigted11.zip, the file just above the one you mentioned ...

    The Big Ted evaluation version stops working after 21 days.

    Piece of junk.

    I am end user. I am not a programmer and I'm not technician of some kind. I spent most of my life in the financial field... I can explai a short squeeze with Game Stop.... Anyway, from what I know you canno

    Are you loaded ?

    As in I drink too much, yes from time to time...

    I was asking whether you had tonnes of money. You also sound like you have too much time on your hands. Do you have too much time on your hands ?

    viability of various options. So far I am not impressed with Wildcat
    5.0's dearth of tools.

    There are fixes to your problem, bu it seems there are none you want
    to take. Others have told you that you need to get the Internet connectivity pack from Santronics... You've been told that Platinum Express would fix your Mailer situation... It's you that are bucking
    the solutions.... I think I even recall sending you a link as to how

    All the suggested solutions lead to vendor lock-in.

    you can setup NetSerial with WC5 if there is no Telnet feature...

    WC5 has built-in telnet. At least they did that right.

    There is a group of Sysops who pass mail around with
    NetSerial/WINServer & PXW... Everything works fine... Apparently
    Platinum Express is optimized to work with NetSerial... All of the
    SysOps are running the software that is needed.
    It's not WC5's fault... The version you have of WC5 does exactly as it says it does... It was written over 25 years ago... Your version did
    not have the internet connectivity pack.... Sysops who bought that we
    not planning on connecting to the Internet.

    Judging by the high prices and release timing (ie. the beginning of the internet revolution) it is clear that Mustang were opportunistic and gouging SysOps for money because they only included the ICP as default after BBS's went bust. WC5 without ICP is just WC4 with a GUI. It is the same complaint I hear about WorldGroup 3.0 and MajorBBS.

    The author of KityMail got flamed for questioning the expensive price of mail tossers on Mustang BBS. He was put down for suggesting somebody should write a low cost solution and was ridiculed for being a mere mortal. He then wrote his own program but included a stupid unregistered delay algorithm that guarantees the program would be useless in the future. He has the same mentality as those Mustang elitists.

    Moreover, other programs like SynchroNET and Mystic that were written
    back then did not connect to the internet as well. Those packages are what they are today because of years of coding and effort put forth
    from their developers. I think you'd be equally not impressed with
    any BBS programs that were written more than 25 years ago.

    Maximus was written +25 years ago. It has a good tool chain, standard features, cost nothing and will interoperate with today's programs. I can find free tossers and scanners for Squish, Jam and Hudson, nodelist compilers, area managers, tic processors etc. It is more futureproof than WINServer.

    Any Windows 23Bit BBS will not work with a DOS mailer.... Not just
    WC5... ANY Windows 32Bit BBS will not work with a DOS mailer. So, the simple fix is to use a Windows 32Bit Mailer with your Windows 32Bit
    BBS...

    I am thinking about using Argus.

    You can get a DOS mailer to work with a DOS BBS though... Several
    people do this right now. You said that you have WC4 pick ANY DOS
    Mailer and you re good to go... This setup needs a program called
    Net2BBS. I know someone who has done this... Dark Systems
    bbs.dsbbs.ca . Call that BBS and see what you can do with old
    technology.

    To my knowledge, Net2BBS is a telnet server. Not sure if it can be put in front of a frontend mailer.

    I told you InterEcho was a good DOS mail tosser that supports WC4.
    Since you like history so much... go with the DOS Mailer called
    D'Bridge, it's currently under development and it has BinkD attached
    to it... free FREE...
    Important to know.... If InterEcho has support for D'Bridge, and it
    may, you have to do nothing more.... If InterEcho doesn't you may have
    to add a step in a batch file.

    InterEcho was meant to run with InterMail right ?

    SexPOTS on DOS would probably need a packet driver. I do not think
    SexPOTS contains any packet driver code.

    I didn't say this... You need to have a telnet-abl BBS, regardless of
    the OS.
    Lets say you have Synchronet or Mystic BBS. None of these have dialup
    but both of these have a telnet server. SexPORTS is a telnet CLIENT (Thanx DM) that will allow you do use a modem to connect to a TELNET
    BBS. If you have a telnet BBS like we've been talking.....
    THIS could be you....

    Well, I thought you were talking about running SexPOTS on DOS platform (ie. real DOS like MS-DOS 6.22 - not NTVDM or Windows command prompt). If it uses a packet driver, then I could receive callers on MSDOS 6.22 and pass them to WC5.

    In order for sexpots to work you need a telnet-able BBS. your version
    of WC5 is not Telnet-able. You could make it so by adding a package
    to it... OR simply use NetSerial to make it connect to the internet...

    It can receive telnet calls, which is surprising given the ICP add-on includes Telnet -- so maybe they enabled telnet in wcOnline by mistake. A win for the consumer. Heh.

    For whatever reason.... you want to make a 25 year old program work
    with todays technology... and the easiest way is to do it with PXW.
    There is the free way with DOS programs... complete and people are
    doing that today...

    I am restoring a number of BBS's as they were at the height of their reign. There was more diversity in the 1990's because there was more competion. Nowadays the variety has tapered and petered to a few mainstream choices. I do not want to use SBBSEcho. I want to use Gecho, FastEcho, TossScan, FMail, Philip, Altair. I do not want a web page. I want people to see a real ANSI login screen. I do not want a command line BinkD server. I want a classic frontend mailer (FrontDoor, BinkleyTerm, D'Bridge, T-Mail, InterMail). I do not like the Sycnchronet message reading options. Instead I prefer Maximus' extensive mail search criterias.

    And even better... The is Mystic and Synchronet. Both are complete
    and you should not need anything else and have more feature than
    you've been asking about.

    I do not care about Mystic and Synchronet.

    Interoperability with DOS mailers and Windows BBS's can be overcome. Serial port communications can be resolved with virtual modems.
    BSO-style outbounds are highly portable so it would not be hard to write custom scripts to pack mail for such mailers.

    Stop it... It cannot be over come... well you can write your own
    mailer program and all of what has been said would have been moot. If
    you write Digital Man... in this echo... he can tell you technically
    why DOS mailers and Windows BASES BBSes don't work. If it could be
    done people would have been doing it. I gave you a link where someone

    The Major BBS has an ICP for MSDOS with a telnet server.

    There is the mTCP library.

    If DOS can run a TCPIP stack then it can be done.

    The reason it has not been done is because there are easier alternative solutions.

    I have made an offer to talk with you... and that offer still
    stands... If you are not in north America we can talk via Messenger or What's App ...

    I am off the grid. It is impossible to find me on any social media.

    Are you wanting to have a physical dial up line?? I mean a real modem with a real phone line... when I say real I mean real. And with this
    REAL modem & phone line you want to pass around fidonet mail... you'll need a mailer.

    Nobody would ever call the physical line. So I would be wasting monthly phone bills on it. Instead, I can use a telephone line simulator to pass mail around using real modems and hear that sweet modem squawk.

    If you are just going to have users and mail passed around by use of
    the Internet you will not even need a mailer. It's important that
    that last statement sinks in... if you have an internet connection and
    you want to pass fidonet style mail around you will not need a
    mailer... a mailer like FrontDoor, InterMail, Binkley Term, Platinum Express and on and on...

    Getting a frontend mailer working is a prestigious BBS artifact. It shows the SysOp is equiped to participate on Fidonet. It is like a Jedi constructing their own light sabre. A rite of passage.

    Think about what BinkD does. It basically does nothing. It is just a daemon on port 24554. It takes no skill to run it. No batch files are created to load a BBS, no routing tables, events or nodelist managers in it.

    This is because people use BinkD to send mail around... I use Internet
    Rex because it's optimized to work with WInserver & PXW... and had
    BinkD built into the package. If you want and need a mailer use
    D'Bridge because it has a BinkD server built to work with it.

    FrontDoor goes with RemoteAccess. BinkleyTerm with Maximus. T-Mail with PCBoard. Platinum Xpress with Wildcat. D'Bridge was made for QuickBBS was it not ?

    I have a mailer... I paid the small price years ago for PXW.... PXW
    has been optimized to work with NetSerial, there is a small group of us PXW users that pass mail around with that setup ... but 99.999% use
    BinkD to send mail around. You'll find it easier to catch Covid-19
    than find a hub with a mailer to get you feed from. In 2020 BinkD is
    the mailer and it works flawless..

    I would imagine there are a lot of people still running old mailers on virtual modems. It shows a BBS has class. Try telling SysOps who cannot receive callers via their WFC screens whether they feel something is missing. The WC4 WFC screen is a beautiful display not to be wasted. The frontend mailer is no different.

    Is Internet Rex still taking people's money ?

    Think so... I've also been using it for over 20 years and I've never
    had regrets...

    I get violet convulsions at the thought of paying money for anything related to a BBS.

    I think exactly... you made my point... Mystic is more menu driven setup... the Author has thought of everything.. there is nothing you
    can't do with Mystic's menu based setup... you can use Python
    programming language if you want to go beyond with the menu system
    allows and it also has a scripting language called MPL...

    Can I edit menu, message and file area configuration in Mystic at the same time ? or do I have to drill down to one option, modify it, close the menu, and then navigate to another menu ? what if I want to view message conference settings side by side with file areas ? or view a cascaded list of 20 different configuration settings all opened simultaneously on the screen ? how would you do that with Mystic ?

    Synchronet on the other hand is mainly driven by scripting... has it's
    on script language called Baja... and now uses it's own version of
    Java Script.
    Both have BinkD and rock...

    My point is different BBS's have different advantages and disadvantages.

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 7 01:09:12 2021
    On 07 Mar 21 18:12:00, Marceline Jones said the following to Ib Joe:

    FrontDoor goes with RemoteAccess. BinkleyTerm with Maximus. T-Mail with PCBoard. Platinum Xpress with Wildcat. D'Bridge was made for QuickBBS was i not ?

    D'Bridge currently supports *.MSG and QuickBBS/Goldbase.

    Nick

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 7 10:13:20 2021
    On 07 Mar 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...

    To my knowledge, Net2BBS is a telnet server. Not sure if it can be put
    in front of a frontend mailer.

    Yes it is....and it is used to make your "DOS" BBS telnet-able... If you want to use a DOS BBS you need this....

    NET2BBS/NetFoss/DOS Mailer & BBS/Mail tosser.... That will do it NET2BBS and NetFoss <---a FOSIL Driver... are both free. Just add whatever DOS Mailer & BBS package you want. Somebody from my past has setup his old RA BBS with the use of NET2BBS & NetFoss. As I have been reading through the echos he's chose to use D'Bridge as his mailer... ergo... My buddies setup is/should be NET2BBS/NetFoss/D'Bridge & RA... Just like that. BTW, his version of RA is unregistered because the owner of RA is MIA.

    Please... logon to his system bbs.dsbbs.ca and see what you think...




    InterEcho was meant to run with InterMail right ?


    Well use whatever DOS mailer you want. Because DOS mailers from 25 years ago were designed to work with BBSes from 25 years ago. Maximus DOS has no problem working with Binkley/FrontDoor/InterMail/D'Bridge...

    You have talked in the past about WC4... Interecho, a companion mail tosser for InterMail tosses mail to WC4... You can have the combination of NET2BBS/NetFoss/InterMail/InterEcho & WC4 work fine...

    Important FACT... and something you need to know.... D'Bridge is a DOS based mailer with a BinkD/P program attached to it. D'Bridge is under current development and is FREE... and like old DOS mailers it can be configured to work with any DOS based BBS.... ANY. I recently asked Nick Andre, the current developer of D'Bridge, if he has users that pass mail around from mailer to mailer with the use of NET2BBS/NetFoss & D'Bridge and he said there are some who do this.

    I don't care what mailer you use... If you're going to go DOS with your BBS I'd suggest you use D'Bridge because the developer is here with us... you can shoot him a message and he actually responds... really... Nicks not a bad guy and he's Canadian to boot!!!

    An other interesting, and related FACT worth knowing. There are all kinds of mail tossers out there... For example I have FastEcho... It has support for D'Bridge built into it... as do a lot of mailers... FastEcho tosses mail into whatever BBS package it does do... BUT it supports many mailers, FD/IM/Binkley (I think) & D'Bridge. The last thing I just said might have been the single most important thing to grab from this.... If BBS tosser supports D'Bridge it'll work with D'Bridge of today and todays D'Bridge has a BinkD mailer attached to it... and you can offer maile delivery and pickup via a DOS based mailer or current with a BinkD mailer as well...

    Great NEWS... if the DOS based BBS does not have support for D'Bridge there is probably a quick fix.... and Nick is a quick message away

    BTW, the only reason why I mentioned InterEcho is it has support for WC4... we know it works with InterMail... but if it tosses mail in the manner D'Brige likes... how sweet!!!!...

    TTYL

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 7 10:59:30 2021
    On 07 Mar 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...

    Well, I thought you were talking about running SexPOTS on DOS platform (ie. real DOS like MS-DOS 6.22 - not NTVDM or Windows command prompt).
    If it uses a packet driver, then I could receive callers on MSDOS 6.22
    and pass them to WC5.


    Digital Man corrected a me the day... SexPOTS is a Telnet client... client is the operative part... It works in conjunction with a modem... It's a windows 32Bit app and work stand-alone to connect to any telnet server. If that telnet server is DOS based or whatever it's designed to connect to a telnet server. Our good friend Robert Wolfe compiled the source code into an OS/2 version... maybe if you have the knowledge you can take the source code and try to compile it in an other flavor... DM told you the technical reasons why you can't use a Windows App, Mailer or SexPOTS, to connect to a DOS BBS... I cannot not add any more.

    Wholly shit what a rabbit hole... Get any version of Windows 32Bit and run a multi node BBS on that... it'll run all the DOS apps you want...

    Configuring a BBS with DOS 6.?? and what?? Lantastic on a 286.... 40 Meg HDD... might as well want to use a MFM HDD wile you're at it... I think you can get DESQView off the net as well....
    Ebay has a 286 for sale if you need extra hardware....

    https://www.ebay.ca/itm/AST-286-desktop-computer-with-hard-drive-RARE-Vintage-H ardware-AS-IS/183830577135?hash=item2acd27ffef:g:N9EAAOSwJuZc7~qg

    Don't do it though.... The guy wants it for 750 bucks...



    It can receive telnet calls, which is surprising given the ICP add-on includes Telnet -- so maybe they enabled telnet in wcOnline by mistake.
    A win for the consumer. Heh.


    You can receive telnet calls already... Use netserial with WC5... and you should be able to call it... Call my netserial/PXW node... Joesbbs.com:3141 and u'll see it work. Call and you'll see it in action.

    The problem you have is that you want FidoNET to work with WC5 and that costs money.

    I have said this in the past.... There are reasons I do not use my WINServer as my main/Public BBS.... U have SynchroNET and Mystic as a current option.... OR... and DOS based BBS working with NETeBBS & NetFoss... ANY...

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
    -=JoesBBS.com=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)
  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 7 11:07:10 2021
    On 07 Mar 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...

    I am restoring a number of BBS's as they were at the height of their reign. There was more diversity in the 1990's because there was more competion. Nowadays the variety has tapered and petered to a few mainstream choices. I do not want to use SBBSEcho. I want to use Gecho, FastEcho, TossScan, FMail, Philip, Altair. I do not want a web page. I want people to see a real ANSI login screen. I do not want a command
    line BinkD server. I want a classic frontend mailer (FrontDoor, BinkleyTerm, D'Bridge, T-Mail, InterMail). I do not like the Sycnchronet message reading options. Instead I prefer Maximus' extensive mail search criterias.


    Great!!!! Use NET2BBS & NetFoss with anything you want... If you logon to FrontDoors' web site JoHo will give you keys for FrontDoor free of charge. The developer of InterMail & InterEcho will send you copies as well. I heard FastEcho will send you keys as well if U ask... BTW, Fmail is free and under development...

    I wished I read the entire message before I broke it down into separate responses ...

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
    -=JoesBBS.com=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)
  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 7 11:09:36 2021
    On 07 Mar 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...
    The Major BBS has an ICP for MSDOS with a telnet server.

    There is the mTCP library.

    If DOS can run a TCPIP stack then it can be done.

    The reason it has not been done is because there are easier alternative solutions.

    and easier is bad??

    NET2BBS & NetFoss will get any of your DOS BBSes working via telnet

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
    -=JoesBBS.com=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)
  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 7 11:19:58 2021
    On 07 Mar 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...

    I am off the grid. It is impossible to find me on any social media.

    Nobody would ever call the physical line. So I would be wasting monthly phone bills on it. Instead, I can use a telephone line simulator to pass mail around using real modems and hear that sweet modem squawk.


    Funny as SHIT... If you were to logon to the my BBS website... click on the telnet to BBS feature... ftelnet thingy... it plays a 56K modem sound file... The user hears it I don't... With little to no effort you could have that play, on your side, every time someone logs onto the BBS... Go check it out... https://Joesbbs.com


    Getting a frontend mailer working is a prestigious BBS artifact. It
    shows the SysOp is equiped to participate on Fidonet. It is like a Jedi constructing their own light sabre. A rite of passage.

    I get your quest...

    Think about what BinkD does. It basically does nothing. It is just a daemon on port 24554. It takes no skill to run it. No batch files are created to load a BBS, no routing tables, events or nodelist managers in it.

    As I said in prior messages... D'Bridge is optimized for this. Nick puts effort into the Mailer so that it can pass mail around. I get my fidonet mail from Nick and from my end it seems to work flawlessly... or Nick makes it look that way.

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
    -=JoesBBS.com=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)
  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 7 11:29:52 2021
    On 07 Mar 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...
    FrontDoor goes with RemoteAccess. BinkleyTerm with Maximus. T-Mail with PCBoard. Platinum Xpress with Wildcat. D'Bridge was made for QuickBBS
    was it not ?


    Nope, not true... Mailers are nothing more than that... separate program that stood in front of ANY BBS package. Back in the day there was a local Maximus BBS that used FrontDoor... His mail tosser just needed to support FD that's all. FrontDoor/InterMail/Binkley/D'Bridge DOS should be able to go with any DOS BBS package.

    Lets find a DOS based BBS package, and lets work form there...



    I would imagine there are a lot of people still running old mailers on virtual modems. It shows a BBS has class. Try telling SysOps who cannot receive callers via their WFC screens whether they feel something is missing. The WC4 WFC screen is a beautiful display not to be wasted. The frontend mailer is no different.


    Get WC4 setup... Look at NET2BBS and NetFoss... and lets find a tosser... InterEcho tosses mail to WC4... Find a tosser and match the mailer... I have been talking to the developer of InterMail in the last few days... I can get U this info...

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
    -=JoesBBS.com=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)
  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 7 11:56:34 2021
    On 07 Mar 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...

    I would imagine there are a lot of people still running old mailers on virtual modems. It shows a BBS has class. Try telling SysOps who cannot receive callers via their WFC screens whether they feel something is missing. The WC4 WFC screen is a beautiful display not to be wasted. The frontend mailer is no different.

    There are enough, and people do it... I personally do not know any WC4 SysOps and I'm sure they exist... There are a lot running DOS mailers & DOS BBSes...

    Setup your DOS BBS with NET2BBS and I'll give it a call. we'll work backwards from there.


    I get violet convulsions at the thought of paying money for anything related to a BBS.


    Don't get violent convulsions.... Some people have put 100s and 100s and even 1000s of hours into their products... Remember we are a community of LOVE... recall a few messages back... LOVE...mainly...


    Can I edit menu, message and file area configuration in Mystic at the
    same time ? or do I have to drill down to one option, modify it, close
    the menu, and then navigate to another menu ? what if I want to view message conference settings side by side with file areas ? or view a cascaded list of 20 different configuration settings all opened simultaneously on the screen ? how would you do that with Mystic ?


    Wholly shit... Girl,you are but 1 person... having 20 different configuration settings simultaneous and at the same time might get you into trouble... FOCUS... Fix something, save it and move on to the next problem ... then repeat until you have a BBS you want. Mystic allows you to call up the configuration file from the command prompt or from the BBS as well. I mainly configure the BBS while I'm online... easiest way for me.... I run Mystic from a Pi Box that sits in an other room.

    Mystic is easy to setup and it's strengths are in the fact that it's the best ASNI BBS package around. BTW, I use Mystic over WINServer for this exact reason.. Though I have paid Millions and Millions, pesos anyway, for WINServer, I am just a ANSI BBS sysop... and Mystic does that better than all... and I don't care what you compare that too.


    My point is different BBS's have different advantages and disadvantages.

    That's true... make a choice... DOS?? put it up and lets work from there... Do it.... NET2BBS/NetFoss & WC4 ... lets do it!!!

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
    -=JoesBBS.com=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)
  • From Jay Harris@1:229/664 to IB Joe on Sun Mar 7 15:46:30 2021
    *** Quoting IB Joe from a message to Marceline Jones ***

    Digital Man corrected a me the day... SexPOTS is a Telnet client...
    client is the operative part... It works in conjunction with a
    modem... It's a windows 32Bitapp and work stand-alone to connect to
    any telnet server. If that telnet server is DOS based or whatever
    it's designed to connect to a telnet server.

    Yup, that's correct. I have SEXPOTS setup here to answer the modem which
    then sends the modem to Net2BBS to telnet into Telegard. It used to telnet into Mystic. I suppose I could set Telegard to use the modem directly now...

    Jay

    ... MONEY TALKS...but all mine ever says is GOODBYE!

    --- Telegard v3.09.g2-sp4/mL
    * Origin: Northern Realms | 289-424-5180 | bbs.nrbbs.net (1:229/664)
  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Jay Harris on Sun Mar 7 16:58:28 2021
    On 07 Mar 2021, Jay Harris said the following...

    Yup, that's correct. I have SEXPOTS setup here to answer the modem
    which then sends the modem to Net2BBS to telnet into Telegard. It used
    to telnet into Mystic. I suppose I could set Telegard to use the modem directly now...


    Cool... During the Zombie Apocalypse, that will happen in a few months, it'll be the BBS SysOp that will save the day...

    :)

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
    -=JoesBBS.com=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)
  • From Ib Joe@1:342/200 to Mark Lewis on Sun Mar 7 17:13:38 2021
    ummm... don't they require windows? windows != DOS... DOS is DOS... no GUI c4rp
    involved...

    Mark I knew there are ways to do this...

    Thanx though
    Joe
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v7.0
    * Origin: Joe's BBS -=joesbbs.com=- (1:342/200)
  • From Jay Harris@1:229/664 to IB Joe on Sun Mar 7 19:06:34 2021
    *** Quoting IB Joe from a message to Jay Harris ***

    Cool... During the Zombie Apocalypse, that will happen in a few
    months, it'll be the BBS SysOp that will save the day...

    In that case I'd better finish up and get my amateur radio license so I can also offer packet radio access... ;)

    Jay

    ... The truest wild beasts live in the most populous places.

    --- Telegard v3.09.g2-sp4/mL
    * Origin: Northern Realms | 289-424-5180 | bbs.nrbbs.net (1:229/664)
  • From Ib Joe@1:342/200 to Jay Harris on Sun Mar 7 18:32:28 2021
    *** Quoting IB Joe from a message to Jay Harris ***

    Cool... During the Zombie Apocalypse, that will happen in a few
    months, it'll be the BBS SysOp that will save the day...

    In that case I'd better finish up and get my amateur radio license so I can also offer packet radio access... ;)

    Now you're thinking...


    Joe
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v7.0
    * Origin: Joe's BBS -=joesbbs.com=- (1:342/200)
  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Rob Swindell on Sun Mar 7 23:04:18 2021
    Re: Re: SexPOTS
    By: Rob Swindell to Carol Shenkenberger on Wed Mar 03 2021 05:14 pm

    Re: Re: SexPOTS
    By: Carol Shenkenberger to Rob Swindell on Tue Mar 02 2021 08:07 pm

    Re: Re: SexPOTS
    By: Rob Swindell to IB Joe on Thu Feb 25 2021 11:49 am

    Re: Re: SexPOTS
    By: IB Joe to Marceline Jones on Thu Feb 25 2021 08:58 am

    SexPOTS is a small app that is a telnet server...

    SexPOTS is a Telnet *client* not server. It answers incoming serial/mo connections (e.g. "calls") and forwards that traffic to a Telnet/TCP server.

    I'm just happy with putty for my own needs. Allows you to reset the font something more readable.

    SexPOTS isn't a client in the sense that you run it to connect to a telnet server as a user, but rather it's a "man-in-the-middle" type application whi handles the routing of data between the serial port/modem (where the dial-up user has connect) and the Telnet/TCP/IP server (where a BBS or game server i running).

    As for PuTTY as a BBS client, I don't recommend it for most users. I do use PuTTY regularly for SSHing into Linux shells from Windows however.

    Thanks Rob! I am happy with it enough for my simple needs. It works well for those with a need for a larger font.

    xxcarol
    --- SBBSecho 2.11-Win32
    * Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS (1:275/100)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ib Joe on Mon Mar 8 00:34:14 2021
    On 07 Mar 21 10:59:30, Ib Joe said the following to Marceline Jones:

    Wholly shit what a rabbit hole... Get any version of Windows 32Bit and run multi node BBS on that... it'll run all the DOS apps you want...

    While that may be true... for me the *best* DOS multi-tasker was OS/2.

    Had to be dragged kicking-and-screaming to give it up in the summer of 2001.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Nick Andre on Mon Mar 8 08:35:36 2021
    On 08 Mar 2021, Nick Andre said the following...

    On 07 Mar 21 10:59:30, Ib Joe said the following to Marceline Jones:

    Wholly shit what a rabbit hole... Get any version of Windows 32Bit and multi node BBS on that... it'll run all the DOS apps you want...

    While that may be true... for me the *best* DOS multi-tasker was OS/2.

    Had to be dragged kicking-and-screaming to give it up in the summer of 2001.


    Nick stop it... In all my excitement talking to her over the past few weeks I didn't ask a lot of important questions... She might be running an XT dual floppies, no HDD.... I made a few assumptions...

    Throw me a bone here guys get behind me ands show some support....

    BTW, I have a DB question... FD has an app called FakeFD (I think)... it's a small app that can handle all the semaphores and events and mail tossing that the DOS mailer can give to it. Essentially... the mailer would never have to exit out unless it's a human caller. This app comes in a native Windows app... If I recall correctly.

    Anyway, I know there are a lot of people who still run DOS mailers... but for those who don't would it be an idea to have a FakeDB... native Windows and linux app to handle all the mailer events and semaphores .... you can run this in conjunction with your version of BinkD. With later hopes that DB is ported in its full glory??

    Just asking for a friend...

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
    -=JoesBBS.com=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ib Joe on Mon Mar 8 11:10:00 2021
    On 08 Mar 21 08:35:36, Ib Joe said the following to Nick Andre:

    Throw me a bone here guys get behind me ands show some support....

    BTW, I have a DB question... FD has an app called FakeFD (I think)... it's small app that can handle all the semaphores and events and mail tossing th the DOS mailer can give to it. Essentially... the mailer would never have t exit out unless it's a human caller. This app comes in a native Windows app... If I recall correctly.

    D'Bridge will still run on an XT with 512k RAM and DOS 3.3.

    I'm not sure I understand what you mean by mail semaphores and events.

    D'Bridge does everything internally. In most circumstances there is no need to run any external programs with it. There is no seperate tosser, nodelist compiler, event handler or whatever. You don't need to tie things together.

    You install my software, put your address and uplink info and everything is configured automatically. No silly batch files or errorlevels or weird goto-statements or anything complicated unlike other mailers. The scheduler
    and BBS support "just works" with no guesswork.

    You can use batch files and semaphore/dummy files to control the mailer but thats exceptionally rare... in the years answering tech-support questions
    I've only had maybe two or three Sysops ask about semaphores. And that was
    for some weird batch file or complicated setup.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Exodus@1:124/5014.2 to Nick Andre on Mon Mar 8 17:40:42 2021
    Wholly shit what a rabbit hole... Get any version of Windows 32Bit and run multi node BBS on that... it'll run all the DOS apps you want...

    While that may be true... for me the *best* DOS multi-tasker was OS/2.

    Had to be dragged kicking-and-screaming to give it up in the summer of 200

    I hear you there.

    ... Once in a while, I screw up and do something right.

    --- Renegade v1.22/DOS
    * Origin: PB Renegade (gapbbs.rdfig.net:2424) Mesquite, Tx (1:124/5014.2)
  • From Exodus@1:124/5014.2 to Ib Joe on Mon Mar 8 17:42:50 2021
    BTW, I have a DB question... FD has an app called FakeFD (I think)... it's

    That was made for losers. If you wanna do it right, do it with your own freeze.bat file.

    @ECHO OFF
    D:
    CD\FD\SEMA
    CLS
    ECHO ð Checking For All Node Mail Sessions - Pausing If Found ð
    IF EXIST FDFROZEN.* GOTO UNFREEZE_FD
    REM IF EXIST FDINEXIT.* GOTO WAIT_FOR
    IF EXIST FDINSESS.* GOTO WAIT_FOR
    COPY STOP.ALL FDFREEZE.ALL

    :WAIT_FOR
    IF EXIST FDFROZEN.* GOTO EXIT_FREEZE
    GOTO WAIT_FOR

    :UNFREEZE_FD
    CLS
    ECHO ð UnFreeze All FrontDoor Mailer Sessions ð
    DEL FDFREEZE.ALL

    :EXIT_FREEZE
    CD\FD

    Now that's 1994 batch file writing at it's best.

    ... Come on Mr. Krinkle tell me why...

    --- Renegade v1.22/DOS
    * Origin: PB Renegade (gapbbs.rdfig.net:2424) Mesquite, Tx (1:124/5014.2)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Exodus on Mon Mar 8 21:20:46 2021
    On 08 Mar 21 17:40:42, Exodus said the following to Nick Andre:

    While that may be true... for me the *best* DOS multi-tasker was OS/2.

    Had to be dragged kicking-and-screaming to give it up in the summer of 200

    I hear you there.

    I think I mentioned this before, I loved OS/2 so much but having all my friends showing off USB and how very easy Internet, remote access, VPN was to do on Windows 2000... not to mention it came out of the box with facilities to do proper tape-backups.

    It was a clear choice between babysitting an old system patched beyond patched or getting with the times... at that time.

    Now Windows 10 is such a fucking disaster even in its Enterprise edition
    that it makes me want that OS/2 box again with its flakey ATI card and Panasonic CD drives and probably the loudest IDE hard drive I've ever owned.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Exodus on Mon Mar 8 21:46:34 2021
    On 08 Mar 21 17:42:51, Exodus said the following to Ib Joe:

    BTW, I have a DB question... FD has an app called FakeFD (I think)... it's

    That was made for losers. If you wanna do it right, do it with your own freeze.bat file.

    LOL *now* we're taking things back to the 90's.

    I miss my old NC, Net 252... ask him for a node number, he wants to grill
    me about P4 on a voice call. Ask him about my mailer configuration, it better "be right" or there will be "problems". Ask him what an ACME Begging Device was, he said "I'm replying to one".

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Exodus on Tue Mar 9 08:43:40 2021
    On 08 Mar 2021, Exodus said the following...

    BTW, I have a DB question... FD has an app called FakeFD (I think)...

    That was made for losers. If you wanna do it right, do it with your


    That hurt my feeling..... It was not created for looser... it's a cool little tool... With that little program... back in the day... the mailer never dropped out to deal with files and mail.... FakeFD monitored all events and processes and dealt with it.

    As it related to my question why does DB have one.... I was just thinking this... Someone could run DB's BinkD ... 32/64Bit what ever flavor... and not have to worry about running a DOS mailer... FakeDB can do all that... For example... mail comes in and FakeDB drops out and runs a native 32/64Bit mail tosser and tosses mail into a JAM message base and processes all the files with an external file processor as well.

    D'Bridge is nice and a complete package ... FakeDB might make it complet-er

    Armchair quarterbacking the game...

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
    -=JoesBBS.com=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ib Joe on Tue Mar 9 11:02:06 2021
    On 09 Mar 21 08:43:40, Ib Joe said the following to Exodus:

    As it related to my question why does DB have one.... I was just thinking this... Someone could run DB's BinkD ... 32/64Bit what ever flavor... and n have to worry about running a DOS mailer... FakeDB can do all that... For example... mail comes in and FakeDB drops out and runs a native 32/64Bit ma tosser and tosses mail into a JAM message base and processes all the files with an external file processor as well.

    Sorry but I'm totally confused what you mean by having a "FakeDB".

    The BinkD included with D'Bridge is exactly the same as the open-source BinkD project. If you want to avoid running a DOS mailer I'm not stopping you.

    One can just download, install and configure BinkD on its own from that project's website. The mail tosser and Tic processor being used would need to change the Queue storage format away from D'Bridge to BSO-style and must specifically work with BinkD with no mailer in the picture any longer.

    BinkD can be configured to create a file when a matching filespec is received... So this program idea of yours would not be doing anything at all different than that of a batch file or script that calls the mail tosser, Tic processor etc when certain things are received.

    There is no need for a FakeDB because there is no DB involved at that point?

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Mauro Veiga@4:801/194.2 to Nick Andre on Wed Mar 10 08:37:30 2021
    Quoting Nick Andre to Exodus <=-

    I think I mentioned this before, I loved OS/2 so much but having all
    my friends showing off USB and how very easy Internet, remote access,
    VPN was to do on Windows 2000... not to mention it came out of the box with facilities to do proper tape-backups.

    It was a clear choice between babysitting an old system patched beyond patched or getting with the times... at that time.

    Now Windows 10 is such a fucking disaster even in its Enterprise
    edition that it makes me want that OS/2 box again with its flakey ATI card and Panasonic CD drives and probably the loudest IDE hard drive
    I've ever owned.

    Try ArcaOS. Seems a good atualized OS/2.



    ,_o_,
    =======
    _____----(_o_)----_____
    / `-------------' \ Mauro R. Veiga abutrebbs@yahoo.com.br
    [' `]

    MeSSaGe SiTTeR 1.00 - Full Version
    Live Long and Prosper

    ... */ \* <- Tribble Olympics: Fencing.
    --- Indigo/DOS 0.01+Blue Wave/DOS
    * Origin: Point do Pardal - Brasil * (4:801/194.2)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Mauro Veiga on Wed Mar 10 06:51:40 2021
    On 10 Mar 21 08:37:31, Mauro Veiga said the following to Nick Andre:

    Try ArcaOS. Seems a good atualized OS/2.

    I've heard many good things about it.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Mauro Veiga on Wed Mar 10 13:34:38 2021
    Hello Mauro,

    On Wednesday March 10 2021 08:37, you wrote to Nick Andre:

    Try ArcaOS. Seems a good atualized OS/2.

    Like OS/2 and eCS/2, ArcaOS does not support IPv6. In all likehood it never will because IBM holds on to the rights. So it is doomed for extinction.


    Cheers, Michiel

    --- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: http://www.vlist.org (2:280/5555)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Kurt Weiske on Thu Mar 11 13:57:36 2021
    On 09 Mar 21 09:10:00, Kurt Weiske said the following to Nick Andre:

    I'll see your flakey ATI card and loud IDE drive and raise you an OAK VGA card that left artifacts when you moved the mouse too fast, and a floppy- port Travan drive.

    Ahhhh but did your video card require the 8514 driver like my ATI did? :)

    Travan... capstan/pinch roller problems, head alignment... hey at least it wasn't an Iomega.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Nick Andre on Tue Mar 9 09:10:00 2021
    Nick Andre wrote to Exodus <=-

    Now Windows 10 is such a fucking disaster even in its Enterprise
    edition that it makes me want that OS/2 box again with its flakey ATI
    card and Panasonic CD drives and probably the loudest IDE hard drive
    I've ever owned.

    I'll see your flakey ATI card and loud IDE drive and raise you an OAK VGA
    card that left artifacts when you moved the mouse too fast, and a floppy-
    port Travan drive.




    ... Powered By Celeron (Tualatin). Engineered for the future.
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
    * Origin: http://realitycheckbbs.org | tomorrow's retro tech (1:218/700)
  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Nick Andre on Fri Mar 12 05:59:00 2021
    Nick Andre wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    Travan... capstan/pinch roller problems, head alignment... hey at least
    it wasn't an Iomega.

    And the 90s showcased some of the worst backup programs - Seagate Backup
    Exec, I'm looking at you.



    ... Faced with a choice, do both.
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
    * Origin: http://realitycheckbbs.org | tomorrow's retro tech (1:218/700)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:229/426 to Kurt Weiske on Sat Mar 13 20:17:22 2021
    Travan... capstan/pinch roller problems, head alignment... hey at leas it wasn't an Iomega.

    And the 90s showcased some of the worst backup programs - Seagate Backup Exec, I'm looking at you.

    And SOME of the BEST! PKZIP *.* ... ;)

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to T.J. Mcmillen on Sun Mar 14 12:16:06 2021
    Hi! TJ,

    On 13 Mar 2021, T.J. Mcmillen said the following...

    Travan... capstan/pinch roller problems, head alignment... hey at it wasn't an Iomega.

    And the 90s showcased some of the worst backup programs - Seagate Back Exec, I'm looking at you.

    And SOME of the BEST! PKZIP *.* ... ;)

    XCOPY. No fancy decombobulator required to restore, when required.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/32)
    * Origin: Quinn's Rock - stuck in a Linux VM, again! (3:640/1384)
  • From Jay Harris@1:229/664 to T.J. Mcmillen on Sun Mar 14 08:49:40 2021
    *** Quoting T.J. Mcmillen from a message to Kurt Weiske ***

    And SOME of the BEST! PKZIP *.* ... ;)

    That reminds me of the tagline below.

    Jay

    ... Best file compression around: "DEL *.*" = 100% compression

    --- Telegard v3.09.g2-sp4/mL
    * Origin: Northern Realms | 289-424-5180 | bbs.nrbbs.net (1:229/664)
  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 14 07:38:26 2021
    On 14 Mar 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...

    The reason it has not been done is because there are easier alternati solutions.

    and easier is bad??

    It is bad when it reduces available options.

    NET2BBS & NetFoss will get any of your DOS BBSes working via telnet

    Yes but it lacks the ability to receive calls from a WFC screen.


    It's you that needs to change then.... Back in the turn of the century ... not this current one... There was a town in the NE US... forget its name... not important... Google the story if you need validation... Anyway, a new technology called cars were putting a damper on their manufacturing and sales of Buggy Whips... Like Detroit today their whole economy was based around making Buggy Whips...

    I'm sure the community is still around... they either adapted to the shift in technology, found something else to make... Or marketed their Whips to the S&M crowd... For me the latter is the more interesting story....

    So, some of these packages we've talked about were just not programmed with todays ability in mind... Never mind technology that has died... People that wrote this technology have died, or fell off the face of the earth. I have a friend that revived his RA BBS, Dark Systems, who cannot Register his BBS today. It was his choice to use Remote Access... RA was considered a flagship product back in the day... And... There it is... gone.

    There are people using decades old technology today... they have found ways to make it work... But its exactly that... decades old technology forced to adapt....

    Marceline... we need you in our community. Make a choice, put it together ... and lets iron out some of the kinks... Lets do it!!!

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
    -=JoesBBS.com=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)
  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 14 08:05:26 2021
    On 14 Mar 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...

    Great!!!! Use NET2BBS & NetFoss with anything you want... If you logon to FrontDoors' web site JoHo will give you keys for FrontDoor free of charge. The developer of InterMail & InterEcho will send you copies as well. I heard FastEcho will send you keys as well if U ask... BTW, Fmail is free and under development...
    I wished I read the entire message before I broke it down into separate responses ...

    Why do not these authors just provide their key generators ?


    Could be control... But you don't need any of them... There are people in our community developing technology for todays technology...

    U can do it... Grab a mailer, tosser and BBS and join the club

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
    -=JoesBBS.com=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)
  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 14 08:19:22 2021
    On 14 Mar 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...


    So what you are saying is you are happy to throw your money into a hole.


    Yes I did exactly that. I did it for years and years... and a few more. I have found out that I can get better for free. I have settled with Mystic... and I hub mail with WINServer... just started doing that a few months ago... prior to that I had an OS/2 VM with a FrontDoor/Fastecho/InterNet Rex combo...

    I may have expressed this in the past... My problem with WINServer is that on the ANSI side it has not been developed past 1980 something. There are s lot of redeeming qualities, don't get me wrong.... But at the end of the day I run a BBS and I'm not an internet provider.

    WINServer would cost you 100s and 100s to get going.... and they want 100s for their update plan... and 100s if you want to add mailers and more nodes and 100s for development packages, wcBasic... and 100s if you want report generating software... and 100s for other shit...

    There are other great things out there... fully supported and actively developed...

    :)

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
    -=JoesBBS.com=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)
  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to Dan Clough on Sun Mar 14 19:20:56 2021
    Re: Re: SexPOTS
    By: Dan Clough to Rob Swindell on Sun Mar 14 2021 08:33 pm

    Rob Swindell wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Marceline Jones <=-

    Hello Marceline,

    Are you aware that this is a sysop only echo?

    Great point! Why is this shit-talking ignoramus allowed to post here? DM.....? ;-)

    I'm not the moderator. <shrug> Mabye Marceline is/was a sysop?

    I guess I was suggesting the echo be restricted to sysops only, on Vert.

    It didn't occur to me that this was a "sysops only" echo. Is it?

    She isn't a current sysop according to her recent posts. <shrug>

    If it's indeed sysops only, I can make that an access requirement here on Vertrauen, but the user will likely just go find another BBS to post from anyway.
    --- SBBSecho 3.13-Linux
    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (1:103/705)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:229/426 to Marceline Jones on Mon Mar 15 07:12:56 2021
    I beg to differ. FrontDoor is for RemoteAccess. Using FrontDoor with Maximu

    That has to be the dumbest thing I ever saw written. I've used FrontDoor since 1993. It's a mailer it has NOTHING to do with BBS Software. It loads Renegade JUST fine.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Jay Harris@1:229/664 to T.J. Mcmillen on Mon Mar 15 09:12:20 2021
    *** Quoting T.J. Mcmillen from a message to Marceline Jones ***

    That has to be the dumbest thing I ever saw written. I've used
    FrontDoor since 1993. It's a mailer it has NOTHING to do with BBS Software. It loads Renegade JUST fine.

    Yup, and I used it with Telegard back-in-the-day. Of course now-a-days I'm using binkd.

    Jay

    ... What do you mean? You actually read this Tagline?!?

    --- Telegard v3.09.g2-sp4/mL
    * Origin: Northern Realms | 289-424-5180 | bbs.nrbbs.net (1:229/664)
  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Marceline Jones on Mon Mar 15 09:47:32 2021
    On 15 Mar 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...

    Have you used the global change feature in Wildcat's areas configuration
    ? For example, when meticulously checking whether message area security settings are appropriate for associated file areas before applying a global change, or trying to remember which roles have access to which conferences - unless you have a photographic memory, such activities are difficult because modal dialogs

    do not allow you to compare information from two different display
    screens at the same time. Menus are restrictive and are a pain in the neck. And what if I want to do a keyword search on various configuration files ?

    Not sure the exact question here... In my version of WINServer I have used the global change feature... My BBS you have full access to message areas and games upon login... I don't have may files per se... So I don't really meticulously do anything... WINServer will not let me edit menus and and open up the ANSI editor, or anything else for that matter... So with respect to Wildcat you may need to have a photographic memory...

    What do you mean it is the best ANSI BBS package ? do you mean you are
    too lazy

    Features... I am talking about features... not screens... For example... Wildcat does not offer Signature Files... Synchronet & Mystic come stock with this... If I want to blast a message to ALL... Can't do it with WINServer Mystic & Synchronet come stock with it... If I can program I can use wcBasic and add this feature... The message bases are different as well... Mystic and Synchronet process ANSI in the message bases... If I upload my weekly ad for the BBS... I can see it perfectly in Mystic & SynchroNET but the same message can not be viewed correctly in WINServer...

    I can come up with about 3 dozen reason why Synchronet or Mystic is better than WINServer ANSI side of the BBS.... if I was fallen down drunk.

    Both SynchroNET & Mystic are feature rich and are light years ahead of what BBSes use to be... and they are equipped with programming languages that will allow the sysop to take things to extraordinary levels...

    1000s and 1000s of programming hours have went into these packages with stock features...AND the ability for the SysOp pop the hood and revamp the BBS entirely to their liking...

    That's it...

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
    -=JoesBBS.com=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)
  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Marceline Jones on Mon Mar 15 09:48:00 2021
    Marceline...
    Where r u from?

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
    -=JoesBBS.com=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)
  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to T.J. Mcmillen on Sun Mar 14 07:50:00 2021
    T.J. Mcmillen wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    And SOME of the BEST! PKZIP *.* ... ;)

    I'd totally forgotten about using PKZIP spanning floppy disks as a backup medium. Probably the most bulletproof solution out there, aside from
    "tar czvf . > /dev/tape"


    ... The tape is now the music
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
    * Origin: http://realitycheckbbs.org | tomorrow's retro tech (1:218/700)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Kurt Weiske on Mon Mar 15 13:49:16 2021
    On 14 Mar 21 07:50:00, Kurt Weiske said the following to T.J. Mcmillen:

    I'd totally forgotten about using PKZIP spanning floppy disks as a backup medium. Probably the most bulletproof solution out there, aside from
    "tar czvf . > /dev/tape"

    I always had the worst luck with floppies... always a bad sector, always on some stupid file needed at the time.

    For several years now I've used external encrypted USB hard drives and script with Drive Snapshot. Easily THE best shareware backup program for Windows. It "just works".

    Before that was LTO2 tapes and Crap-up Exec. It was very lovely having to install drivers, SQL Server, Dot net, C runtimes and all the updates just to make the thing do something. If it could not, "An unknown error has occured".

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Ib Joe@1:342/200 to Marceline Jones on Mon Mar 15 11:49:18 2021

    NET2BBS & NetFoss will get any of your DOS BBSes working via telnet

    Yes but it lacks the ability to receive calls from a WFC screen.

    Don't complain about how they have tried to make 30 year old technology
    to work today... It is what it is...

    BTW, I have a WFC menu with Netserial & PXW.... just saying...

    Grab something... embrace it!!!

    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v7.0
    * Origin: Joe's BBS -=joesbbs.com=- (1:342/200)
  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Nick Andre on Wed Mar 17 06:13:00 2021
    Nick Andre wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-


    For several years now I've used external encrypted USB hard drives and script with Drive Snapshot. Easily THE best shareware backup program
    for Windows. It "just works".

    Hmmm. I'll have to take a look. I just got a new Windows box, and I'm using the old Windows 7 backup and restore tool with an internal 8TB drive. Media gets backed up there along with my user profie folders. Docs are synced to
    the cloud.



    ... If it isn't broken, I can fix it.
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
    * Origin: http://realitycheckbbs.org | tomorrow's retro tech (1:218/700)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Kurt Weiske on Fri Mar 19 16:06:32 2021
    On 17 Mar 21 06:13:00, Kurt Weiske said the following to Nick Andre:

    For several years now I've used external encrypted USB hard drives and script with Drive Snapshot. Easily THE best shareware backup program for Windows. It "just works".

    Hmmm. I'll have to take a look. I just got a new Windows box, and I'm using the old Windows 7 backup and restore tool with an internal 8TB drive. Media

    Does it do hot-imaging? I absolutely refuse to reinstall Windows... in fact have not done so for several years now.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Nick Andre on Sat Mar 20 09:06:00 2021
    Nick Andre wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    Does it do hot-imaging? I absolutely refuse to reinstall Windows... in fact have not done so for several years now.

    I'm assuming that you'd need to do a barebones install of Windows then
    restore to it. I think I'm on my last Windows re-install, Ubuntu Budgie and Mint are looking pretty good.

    As an aside, I'm supporting people working remotely now at my company, and
    the old "we don't support home hardware" has gone out the window. I've had
    to manage people's wifi routers, set passwords for them, and manage home network issues.

    The interesting thing is that while most of the engineer types are running Macs, I have a handful running OpenBSD, one running NetBSD, a handful of
    Linux installs and a PLAN 9 user.


    ... The tape is now the music
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
    * Origin: http://realitycheckbbs.org | tomorrow's retro tech (1:218/700)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Kurt Weiske on Sat Mar 20 19:36:52 2021
    On 20 Mar 21 09:06:00, Kurt Weiske said the following to Nick Andre:

    Does it do hot-imaging? I absolutely refuse to reinstall Windows... in fact have not done so for several years now.

    I'm assuming that you'd need to do a barebones install of Windows then restore to it. I think I'm on my last Windows re-install, Ubuntu Budgie and Mint are looking pretty good.

    With Drive Snapshot, its basically a bootable Windows CD environment where you then use the commandline to launch the program, rebuild the partitions and then baremetal restore.

    I'm tied to using Windows until I retire it seems...

    As an aside, I'm supporting people working remotely now at my company, and the old "we don't support home hardware" has gone out the window. I've had to manage people's wifi routers, set passwords for them, and manage home network issues.

    As long as its working out for you then thats cool. I got out of home-user support several years ago. No more bench work, no more house calls. Not enough money to be made in that and generally over time it became more of a hassle.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 21 13:04:54 2021
    Hello Marceline,

    On Sunday March 21 2021 10:16, you wrote to me:

    MVDV>> Are you aware that this is a sysop only echo?

    Yes.

    Good.

    Are you aware that in this context "sysop" means "listed in the Fidonet nodelist"?


    Cheers, Michiel

    --- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: http://www.vlist.org (2:280/5555)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 21 08:37:00 2021
    Hello Marceline!

    ** On Sunday 21.03.21 - 10:13, you wrote to DAN CLOUGH:

    Right. People have been saying that for 20 years. Yet,
    here we (us actual sysops, not *YOU*) still are. Running
    BBSes. You should give it a try.

    An endangered species is something that is at risk of
    extinction. The number of BBSs and SysOps remain at
    historical lows. There are only ~1500 in the nodelist.
    There are even less on Telnet BBS Guide. Duplicates run by
    the same SysOp should not be counted. Statistics on BBS use
    show that their numbers cannot be sustained after the
    current SysOps die out.

    ipingtherforeim.com lists about 2100. It does a pretty good
    "live" check for their on-line status.

    So yes, there you are, and there you will stay. The few of
    you left does not change your status as an endangered
    species.

    Can we see you bbs before it becomes extinct?
    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.49
    * Origin: (2:221/1.58)
  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Nick Andre on Sun Mar 21 07:21:00 2021
    Nick Andre wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    As long as its working out for you then thats cool. I got out of
    home-user support several years ago. No more bench work, no more house calls. Not enough money to be made in that and generally over time it became more of a hassle.

    I'm sort of a jack-of-all-trades at my current company, supporting a production environment in AWS, a dev environment on vSphere, and providing user support in my spare time. It works out given the circumstances,
    leverages a lot of experience managing user hardware and software and the people are genuinely grateful for the support. It's a good group of people.




    ... Display your talent
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
    * Origin: http://realitycheckbbs.org | tomorrow's retro tech (1:218/700)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Kurt Weiske on Sun Mar 21 11:50:28 2021
    On 21 Mar 21 07:21:00, Kurt Weiske said the following to Nick Andre:

    I'm sort of a jack-of-all-trades at my current company, supporting a production environment in AWS, a dev environment on vSphere, and providing user support in my spare time. It works out given the circumstances, leverages a lot of experience managing user hardware and software and the people are genuinely grateful for the support. It's a good group of people.

    As long as the people are good, and there is a degree of satisfaction in doing what you're doing, more power to ya... glad to hear about good people.

    I do a lot of freelance tech support for small business, hosting, VPN, RDP/SSH work. The groundwork for that was established years ago when I became a sole custodial parent. Decided to work hard at a full time tech job so I could later be rewarded with the freedom to choose my own schedule based on my own particular tech skillsets and rapport with people. 6 years ago I decided to
    go solo and never looked back. Now... would I accept a fulltime 9 to 5? I never say "no" but its hard to beat flexible hours.

    When Covid happened with all the lockdowns (and we may be having a third one here), nothing really "changed" here other than my daughter taking online classes. I've been buried behind RDP/SSH whether it was from inside a cubicle downtown or from the tiny computer desk in my bedroom. I did unfortunately lose a good paying on-site tech contract but made it up elsewhere.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 21 12:10:36 2021
    On 21 Mar 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...

    Where r u from?

    Originally from San Francisco.


    Where now..... I was thinking in the woods in Michigan somewhere leading a Militia group ... Q-Anon something or other... If that was the case I'm with you 100%... We need to work together to keep the man down!!!!

    Since you didn't ask.... I'm sitting in my living room in my boxers drinking coffee and reading mail...

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
    -=JoesBBS.com=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:229/426 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 21 16:05:04 2021
    Wrong.

    The standard mail processor for Maximus is Squish. But Squish has minimal support for arcmail attach systems like FrontDoor. BinkleyTerm has more

    You have the be the dumbest person I ever spoke to on FidoNet in 2021. Why not start talking about using SSH instead of Telnet as well.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:229/426 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 21 16:05:42 2021
    FrontDoor/Fastecho/InterNet Rex combo...

    Not me. I do not pay for anything BBS-related.

    Probably never did, either, did you?

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:229/426 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 21 16:06:22 2021
    ==================================================
    Opus Computer-Based Conversation System Version 1.70
    SYSOP OPERATIONS MANUAL
    14 July 1991

    Man .. let me go thru my 135 shareware cds I have online and find some more outdated useless crap from 1990-1994.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:229/426 to Jay Harris on Sun Mar 21 16:08:06 2021
    I believe you'd use netfoss & netserial to do that. I just tried it out wi Telegard and it seems to work. Net2BBS is free whereas netserial is US$25 for sysops:

    Don't bother, she doesn't "pay" for anything bbs related ... you know, because a$$hats do that. Maybe she can go find a copy of COM/IP that's cracked and run it.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dan Clough on Wed Mar 24 18:43:50 2021
    The person in question is NOT a sysop.

    Enforcing echo rules is almost impossible nowadays.

    Understood, but there are some steps that can be taken.

    Such as ?

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - Mar.13 2021
    * Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Kurt Weiske on Wed Mar 24 22:00:50 2021
    On 24 Mar 21 07:54:00, Kurt Weiske said the following to T.J. Mcmillen:

    A project of pi$$ing people off. That's all I see her doing. Digging up old crap text files from 1990-1993.

    ... The truth is the safest lie.

    Wait, "old crap text files" is the only selling point of my BBS! :)

    Mine is just "crap"...

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Tony Langdon on Thu Mar 25 08:06:14 2021
    On 25 Mar 21 19:29:00, Tony Langdon said the following to Nick Andre:

    I'm still waiting for Mystic 10 More Cowbell Edition.

    You lost me with that one. :)

    It's a long-running joke with the developer that started on an other net... and a reference to a Christopher Walken SNL sketch.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Kurt Weiske on Wed Mar 24 16:38:32 2021
    ... The truth is the safest lie.

    Wait, "old crap text files" is the only selling point of my BBS! :)

    ahahahha

    ... Mary had a little lamb, some white wine, and a salad.

    --- Renegade v1.22a/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Dan Clough on Thu Mar 25 17:27:58 2021
    Such as restricting access to echo(s) on a BBS. Yes, the troll could go to another board, but some won't bother. If "all" boards restricted access to certain echos, it would pretty much solve the problem.

    Good luck getting that done in today's BBS world. You're lucky you have a sysop logon to their own board for months at a time. One of the bad things of having echos auto created when messages come in. It Lets the Non-SysOp
    SysOp's just allow users a free for all.

    ... Bring order to your life, use random numbers.

    --- Renegade v1.22a/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dan Clough on Thu Mar 25 23:15:02 2021
    Dan,

    Such as ?

    Such as restricting access to echo(s) on a BBS. Yes, the troll could go
    to another board, but some won't bother. If "all" boards restricted
    access to certain echos, it would pretty much solve the problem.

    Doesn't work, there's alwayd someone who won\t comply..

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - Mar.13 2021
    * Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dan Clough on Fri Mar 26 11:03:32 2021
    Worth trying, it's not like it's hard to do. Just a matter of Sysops acting like..... Sysops.

    Don't get me going on thatone ... with 30+ years under the belly I could write a book.

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - Mar.13 2021
    * Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Marceline Jones on Fri Mar 26 20:25:48 2021
    On 27 Mar 21 10:19:00, Marceline Jones said the following to Nick Andre:

    Synchronet is not my cup of tea but I wouldn't slam the tea brewer.

    Authors talk smack about other people's tea all the time:

    Meh, I stand by my words.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Marceline Jones on Fri Mar 26 20:32:00 2021
    Hello Marceline Jones!

    ** On Saturday 27.03.21 - 10:24, Marceline Jones wrote to AUGUST ABOLINS:

    ipingtherforeim.com lists about 2100. It does a pretty good
    "live" check for their on-line status.

    Do you have the URL for "ipingtherforeim.com" ? (it does not appear to be a valid URL).

    Ooops. I mis-typed. It is https://www.ipingthereforeiam.com/

    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.49
    * Origin: (2:221/1.58)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Marceline Jones on Fri Mar 26 21:33:28 2021
    Man .. let me go thru my 135 shareware cds I have online and find som more outdated useless crap from 1990-1994.

    Are you a hoarder of useless things ?

    Yes, but I offer them to anyone that wants them.

    ... I'm part Scotch -- my other part's water.

    --- Renegade v1.22a/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Marceline Jones on Fri Mar 26 20:07:48 2021
    On 27 Mar 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...

    In some ways the guy at "cbbs.mitsaltair.com:8800" is doing more to preserve BBS history and culture than Rob Swindell.


    Stop talking smack about people .... OMG!!!

    What are you talking about ?

    Rob has done a lot for the community and he's a nice guy

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
    -=JoesBBS.com=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)
  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Marceline Jones on Fri Mar 26 20:09:12 2021
    On 27 Mar 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...

    Where r u from?

    Originally from San Francisco.


    Where now..... I was thinking in the woods in Michigan somewhere leading a Militia group ... Q-Anon something or other... If that was the case I'm with you 100%... We need to work together to keep the ma down!!!!
    Since you didn't ask.... I'm sitting in my living room in my boxers drinking coffee and reading mail...

    Somewhere downtown oiling my AR-15.

    Thought so... Oiling down Ur AR.... now you're flirting with me... stop it!!!

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
    -=JoesBBS.com=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)
  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Marceline Jones on Fri Mar 26 20:14:12 2021
    On 27 Mar 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...

    Just Google the filenames. You will find them on Scovetta. I know the 2.50 keys work for v2.62.2. (I think even a key for v2.02 will work because I do not think the seed, hash algorithm or encryption in RA h ever changed). If you cannot obtain those files from the internet the will upload them to your BBS.


    I'll make him aware ... it's not like he hasn't tried to register them.. Now the RA site is MIA, from what I can see...

    I do not understand why that guy just not release it as open source
    public domain. What is he holding out for ?


    Not sure either... The author of BG Fax released his final version(s) without the need for a reg code. He said there was some agreements made for portions of the source... I forget exactly what it was... so don't correct me DM... anyway, it's "free" but cannot be added on...

    RA was the first BBS software I cut my teeth on.

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
    -=JoesBBS.com=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)
  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Marceline Jones on Fri Mar 26 20:20:16 2021
    On 27 Mar 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...

    SexPOTS is an external utility, like wcOnline. Native serial modem
    support was removed from Synchronet a long time ago. Synchronet's
    paradigm is TCP/IP. It lost its gonads.


    Download the legacy version... Still online... And Synchronet did not loose its gonads because of TCP/IP .... Rob just did a little Manscaping ... everything is trim and ready to go... Just a slightly different presentation.

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
    -=JoesBBS.com=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)
  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Marceline Jones on Fri Mar 26 20:25:32 2021
    On 27 Mar 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...

    Maybe there is an external reader that renders ANSI codes.


    Don't know... maybe there's a way to fix it... like I said WINServer's ANSI side has not changed much since 1989... Other packages are out there and have no issues with ANSI in their message base.

    I was reading in the WINServer areas... guys are working on ways to getting the web side of the BBS to work with smart phones... and it just doesn't interest me at all...

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
    -=JoesBBS.com=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)
  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 28 12:12:34 2021
    On 28/03/2021 03:36, 1103/705 wrote:

     IJ>> You get a 2-fer with SexPOTS...

    SexPOTS is an external utility, like wcOnline. Native serial modem
    support was removed from Synchronet a long time ago. Synchronet's
    paradigm is TCP/IP. It lost its gonads.

    I cannot remember the last computer I had with a serial port...

    --
    Regards
    David

    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbi
    * Origin: Somewhere, Over the rainbow... (3:640/305)
  • From Mauro Veiga@4:801/194 to MARCELINE JONES on Sun Mar 28 09:29:00 2021
    Quoting Marceline Jones to Mauro Veiga <=-

    In some ways the guy at "cbbs.mitsaltair.com:8800" is doing more to preserve BBS history and culture than Rob Swindell.

    Very unkind comment. :-(

    My comment is neutral (it is neither kind or unkind). What did I say
    that is unkind ?

    It was inelegant. And others think the same. But I believe that
    you really think you were not inelegant. Try to be more careful.
    Let's go back to the technical conversation.


    ,_o_,
    =======
    _____----(_o_)----_____
    / `-------------' \ Mauro R. Veiga abutrebbs@yahoo.com.br
    [' `]

    MeSSaGe SiTTeR 1.00 - Full Version
    Live Long and Prosper

    ... I am Shakespeare of Borg. Prepare to be, or not to be.
    ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: Ninho do Abutre 2 - Rio de Janeiro - Brasil * (4:801/194)
  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to MAURO VEIGA on Sun Apr 4 09:21:00 2021
    In some ways the guy at "cbbs.mitsaltair.com:8800" is doing more to preserve BBS history and culture than Rob Swindell.

    Very unkind comment. :-(

    My comment is neutral (it is neither kind or unkind). What did I say
    that is unkind ?

    It was inelegant. And others think the same. But I believe that
    you really think you were not inelegant. Try to be more careful.
    Let's go back to the technical conversation.

    Elegance is neither necessary or unnecessary, and inelegance is not the same as unkind. So why should I care ? People should talk straight and say what they mean.

    ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (1:103/705)
  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to T.J. MCMILLEN on Sun Apr 4 09:06:00 2021
    Man .. let me go thru my 135 shareware cds I have online and find som more outdated useless crap from 1990-1994.

    Are you a hoarder of useless things ?

    Yes, but I offer them to anyone that wants them.

    People are uploading their CDs to Internet Archive.

    ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (1:103/705)
  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to IB JOE on Sun Apr 4 09:07:00 2021
    In some ways the guy at "cbbs.mitsaltair.com:8800" is doing more to preserve BBS history and culture than Rob Swindell.

    Stop talking smack about people .... OMG!!!

    What are you talking about ?

    Rob has done a lot for the community and he's a nice guy

    When have I talked smack about Rob Swindell ?

    ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (1:103/705)
  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to IB JOE on Sun Apr 4 09:08:00 2021
    Not sure either... The author of BG Fax released his final version(s) without the need for a reg code. He said there was some agreements
    made for portions of the source... I forget exactly what it was... so don't correct me DM... anyway, it's "free" but cannot be added on...
    RA was the first BBS software I cut my teeth on.

    It probably contains 3rd-party libraries licensed for distribution but not modification. He could have formed a team to replace those sections but nobody cares anymore.

    ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (1:103/705)
  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to MARK LEWIS on Sun Apr 4 09:10:00 2021
    I do not understand why that guy just not release it as open source
    public domain. What is he holding out for ?

    the code would be incomplete... it uses several commercial libraries
    that cannot be released or come in only binary format...

    He can release the incomplete code and people can plug the gaps. Or provide the full sources to a private group of developers who can work on making it GPL-friendly. He better do it soon before all the Pascal nerds die out.

    ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (1:103/705)
  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to DAVID DRUMMOND on Sun Apr 4 09:15:00 2021
    SexPOTS is an external utility, like wcOnline. Native serial modem
    support was removed from Synchronet a long time ago. Synchronet's
    paradigm is TCP/IP. It lost its gonads.

    I cannot remember the last computer I had with a serial port...

    Nowadays people pay to add serial cards to their boards.

    A true BBS has native support for serial ports.

    ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (1:103/705)
  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Marceline Jones on Sat Apr 3 12:46:08 2021
    On 04 Apr 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...

    In some ways the guy at "cbbs.mitsaltair.com:8800" is doing more preserve BBS history and culture than Rob Swindell.

    `
    Rob has done a lot for the community and he's a nice guy

    When have I talked smack about Rob Swindell ?

    I was initially set back from you stating Rob had a lack luster performance with the history & culture... I don't think I was the only one who felt that way. Rob, though not single handedly, revolutionized BBSing as we know it... In fact BBSing should be renamed to Swindelling in honor of Rob's contribution to our community... I suggest the word Swindelling because SexPOTS is already used.... Piss me off!!!!

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
    -=JoesBBS.com=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)
  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Marceline Jones on Sat Apr 3 12:48:12 2021
    On 04 Apr 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...

    Not sure either... The author of BG Fax released his final version(s without the need for a reg code. He said there was some agreements made for portions of the source... I forget exactly what it was... so don't correct me DM... anyway, it's "free" but cannot be added on... RA was the first BBS software I cut my teeth on.

    It probably contains 3rd-party libraries licensed for distribution but
    not modification. He could have formed a team to replace those sections but nobody cares anymore.


    Moved on quickly... formed a team?? Maybe partnered with Nike for a good pair of running shoes so that he could run away faster!!!

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
    -=JoesBBS.com=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/16 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:2323 SSH:2222 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)
  • From Kees van Eeten@2:280/5003.4 to Dan Clough on Sun Apr 4 00:15:32 2021
    Hello Dan!

    03 Apr 21 15:38, you wrote to Marceline Jones:

    Do you also believe that a "true" automobile has to be started with a manual crank handle which inserts into the front of the car? Using your logic, you must believe that. Right?

    And it should not have a synchromesh gearbox either.

    Kees

    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5--b20180707
    * Origin: As for me, all I know is that, I know nothing. (2:280/5003.4)
  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Marceline Jones on Sun Apr 4 08:44:32 2021
    On 5/04/2021 02:15, 1103/705 wrote:
    SexPOTS is an external utility, like wcOnline. Native serial modem
    support was removed from Synchronet a long time ago. Synchronet's
    paradigm is TCP/IP. It lost its gonads.

    I cannot remember the last computer I had with a serial port...

    Nowadays people pay to add serial cards to their boards.

    I know no such people. Must be a thing for people in your area.

    A true BBS has native support for serial ports.

    As defined where?

    --
    Regards
    David

    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbi
    * Origin: Somewhere, Over the rainbow... (3:640/305)
  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dan Clough on Sun Apr 4 11:05:16 2021
    No. And air conditioning, a radio, and seatbelts should not be
    available.

    Why even add a steering wheel? A long stick used to work just fine in the Good Old Days.



    ..

    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; sv-SE; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101125
    * Origin: news://eljaco.se (2:203/2)
  • From Flavio Bessa@4:801/188 to Rob Swindell on Fri Apr 30 14:53:28 2021
    Rob Swindell wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    I'm not the moderator. <shrug> Mabye Marceline is/was a sysop?

    Not according to nodehist.fidonet.org.ua. :)

    ... So easy, a child could do it. Child sold separately.
    ___ MultiMail/Mac v0.52

    --- Mystic BBS/QWK v1.12 A42 2019/02/01 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Saturn's Orbit BBS - Rio de Janeiro, Brasil (4:801/188)
  • From Flavio Bessa@4:801/188 to Marceline Jones on Fri Apr 30 14:53:28 2021
    Marceline Jones wrote to IB JOE <=-

    I beg to differ. FrontDoor is for RemoteAccess. Using FrontDoor with Maximus is
    like wearing a tie with a baseball cap, or vampires dating werewolves,
    or bestiality.

    By running FrontDoor on Mystic, what kind of monster have I
    become?

    ... Computer Hacker wanted. Must have own axe.
    ___ MultiMail/Mac v0.52

    --- Mystic BBS/QWK v1.12 A42 2019/02/01 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Saturn's Orbit BBS - Rio de Janeiro, Brasil (4:801/188)
  • From Flavio Bessa@4:801/188 to mark lewis on Fri Apr 30 14:53:28 2021
    mark lewis wrote to IB Joe <=-

    i don't know what ""RA site"" you are speaking of but rapro.com is
    still operational...

    I wonder if someone still caters for that website...



    ... "42? 7 and a half million years and all you can come up with is 42?!"
    ___ MultiMail/Mac v0.52

    --- Mystic BBS/QWK v1.12 A42 2019/02/01 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Saturn's Orbit BBS - Rio de Janeiro, Brasil (4:801/188)
  • From Flavio Bessa@4:801/188 to mark lewis on Fri May 28 09:47:12 2021
    mark lewis wrote to Nighthawk <=-

    I wonder if someone still caters for that website...

    if you are speaking of rapro.com, i suspect that bruse morse still
    manages it...

    Oh really? Looks like it hasn't been maintained in years!

    ... Direct from the Ministry of Silly Walks
    ___ MultiMail/Mac v0.52
    --- Mystic BBS/QWK v1.12 A42 2019/02/01 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Saturn's Orbit BBS - Rio de Janeiro, Brasil (4:801/188)