Hello August,

On Monday June 08 2020 15:40, you wrote to me:

X-XP-NTP: 30
X-XP-Charset: IBM437
F-TO: Michiel van der Vlist
LEN: 2589

My original message had IBM437.

Hmmm... that is an unknown identifier in Fidonet.

But, it arrived bearing an IBMPC kludge on the local NNTP side. :(

So, it appears that it left the bossnode with the IBMPC kludge as
well. :(

So it would seem that entering messages via an NNTP gateway is buggy...


Cheers, Michiel

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Hi! Michiel,

On 06/09/2020 04:21 PM, you wrote to August Abolins:

But, it arrived bearing an IBMPC kludge on the local NNTP side. :(

So, it appears that it left the bossnode with the IBMPC kludge as
well. :(

MvdV> So it would seem that entering messages via an NNTP gateway is buggy...

Not all. Just the one in question, for the present.

For August... which one please, mate?

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hi! Michiel,

On 09 Jun 20 10:13, you wrote to me:

@CHRS: UTF-8 2

^

MvdV>>> So it would seem that entering messages via an NNTP gateway is
MvdV>>> buggy...

Not all. Just the one in question, for the present.

JamNNTP has bugs as well in delaing with UTF-8. See above. Also,
AFAIK, it assumes that the header is always Latin-1.

Yes. Perfection is difficult with Fidonet; it's an amateur undertaking.

That JamNNTPd is in a UTF-8 Linux environment and has been told not to make any translations. That Thunderbird is in the /same/ environment.

Cheers,
Paul.

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Re: IBM437 to IBMPC
By: Tommi Koivula to Michiel van der Vlist on Tue Jun 09 2020 13:41:58

@CHRS: UTF-8 2

And now?

Sender Tommi Koivula
To Michiel van der Vlist
Subject IBM437 to IBMPC
X-FTN-AREA FIDOTEST
X-FTN-MSGID 2:221/1.0 5edf676e
X-FTN-REPLY 2:280/5555 5edf44a6
X-FTN-PID JamNNTPd/OS2 1.3 20200606
X-FTN-CHRS UTF-8 4
X-FTN-TID FastEcho 1.46.1 1530
X-FTN-SEEN-BY 103/705 129/215 154/10 30 40 50 700 203/0 221/1 6 360 227/201 229/101
X-FTN-SEEN-BY 229/310 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5555 288/100 292/8125 310/31
X-FTN-SEEN-BY 396/45 423/81 120 712/848 770/1 2452/250 3634/12
X-FTN-PATH 221/1 280/464 154/10


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Hello Michiel!

** On Tuesday 09.06.20 - 08:21, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to August Abolins:

X-XP-Charset: IBM437
My original message had IBM437.

MvdV> Hmmm... that is an unknown identifier in Fidonet.

Hmmm.. Then FTSC should update their documentation of common terms and practices out in the real world. LOL

https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/charsets/IBM437
https://www.iana.org/assignments/character-sets/character-sets.xhtml

OpenXP shouldn't be forced to downgrade to an antiquated text found in FTS-5009.

But, it arrived bearing an IBMPC kludge on the local NNTP side. :(

So, it appears that it left the bossnode with the IBMPC kludge as
well. :(

MvdV> So it would seem that entering messages via an NNTP gateway is buggy...

Yes.. something a little strange is happening there! LOL


../|ug

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Hello Michiel!

** On Tuesday 09.06.20 - 15:53, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to August Abolins:

https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/charsets/IBM437
https://www.iana.org/assignments/character-sets/character-sets.xhtml

MvdV> That's not Fidonet.

If CP437 is (which is an alias, btw), then IBM437 (the proper name) is.


MvdV> Why not use real Fidonet software for you messages in Fidonet
MvdV> instead of sofware mainly designed for e-mail and usenet?

Granted, I heard that oxp was adapted for ftn, but it works quite well
afaik. If you have a grievance, take it up with the developer with your officiality and tell him how broken oxp is.

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Hi! August,

On 11 Jun 20 20:26, you wrote to me:

For August... which one please, mate?

The problem has been identified in the code. There is a deliberate
change of ibm437 to ibmpc before packing. There is no buggyness.
The only buggyness is the rapid jumping to conclusions and the final solutions by select few people.

Sheesh.

:) Gracias.

Cheers,
Paul.

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On 11.06.2020 20:28, August Abolins wrote:

Hello Tommi!

** On Tuesday 09.06.20 - 17:31, Tommi Koivula wrote to August Abolins:

Stop using OpenXP if you want to study kludges.

ROTFL. (Oooops, now I need help to get up!)

You'd better stay down there looking for another IBM* kludges? B)

'Tommi

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Hello Michiel!

*** Thursday 11.06.20 at 11:21, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to August Abolins:

[snip]
MvdV> MvdV>> Why not use real Fidonet software for you messages in Fidonet
MvdV> MvdV>> instead of sofware mainly designed for e-mail and usenet?

Granted, I heard that oxp was adapted for ftn, but it works quite well
afaik.

MvdV> It seems it was written for e-mail and usenet mail and FTN was added as
MvdV> an afterthought.

The current incarnation of OpenXP(5.0.xx) is based on the long since
defunct OpenXP 4.x.xxxx which, in turn, was based on CrossPoint 3.2

Following portion of text translated from this original document: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrossPoint

"CrossPoint v1.0 was released in 1992 as shareware for the DOS operating system. It was a pure point program for Z-Netz and its data exchange
protocol Netcall. Version 2.0 appeared at the end of 1992, which also supported FidoNet, MausNet, MagicNet, QuickMail and the data format of the new Z-Netz protocol ZConnect."

Hardly an afterthought, more of a development of the software, IMO.

Regards,
Martin

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