Hello Mauro,

On Saturday June 06 2020 19:56, you wrote to JAY HARRIS:

@MSGID: 5667.fidotest@4:801/194 23416b7c

"5667.fidotest@4:801/194" is not a valid return address in the originating network.

@REPLY: 1:229/664.0 5eda5e18
@TZUTC: -0300
@TID: SBBSecho 3.06-Win32 r3.101 Jan 1 2019 MSC 1800

No CHRS kludge.

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Without a CHRS kludge, one can not expect non ASCII to be displayed correctly.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Michiel!

** On Sunday 07.06.20 - 19:43, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to August Abolins:

4:801/194 exists in my nodelist.

MvdV> It also exists in mine. But "5667.fidotest@4:801/194" does not. If you
MvdV> want to argue that it adresses a partular user:

MvdV> 1) user.name@zone:net/node.point is NOT an accepted way of getting mail
MvdV> to a paricular user. The accepted way is to put the user name in the
MvdV> To: field of a message and the zone:net/ node.point in the adress
MvdV> field.

OpenXP has no problem with that. ;)

If I want to quote/reply, Ctrl-P generates this:

ÚÄ Private message (quote) ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿
³ ³
³ To Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 ³
³ ³
³ Subject Test From Blue Wave Door ³
³ ³ ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ

It would have no problem with:

ÚÄ Private message (quote) ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿
³ ³
³ To 5667.fidotest@4:801/194 ³
³ ³
³ Subject Test From Blue Wave Door ³
³ ³ ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ

I do not have two fields to worry about. "To" above has some smarts built into it and simplified for me.

This will VERY MUCH get to sent to 4:801/194, no problem.


MvdV> 2) "5667.fidotest" is not a user name. It obviously is some kind of
MvdV> mesaage number in the area : fidotest".

The user name is irrelevant. There is no public list of all users on a BBS akin to no public list of all users at @vandervlist.com

All that matters is that the message to 5667.fidotest gets delivered to 4:801/194. What happens to it is up to the sysop.


MvdV> Whatever way you twist it, "5667.fidotest@4:801/194" is NOT the address
MvdV> of a system in Fidonet.

Correct. 4:801.194 is the "address", and 5667.fidotest is the "name".

No problem. ;)


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Hello mark,

On Sunday June 07 2020 12:39, you wrote to me:

yep... sbbs should be properly applying a CHRS control line to
posted messages based on the message (and header) content...

MvdV>> I doubt adding a CHRS kludge after the fact is a good strategy.

i didn't say it did that... i said it should be adding it at the time
the message is created and stored in the local message base... i
certainly did not imply that it would apply it to all messages being imported...

Let me refrase. I doubt adding a CHRS kludge after it was out of the hands of the writer is a good strategy.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello mark,

On Sunday June 07 2020 12:43, you wrote to me:

MvdV>> Then you were barking up the wrong tree. Putting the name of
MvdV>> the original poster in the To: field would have increased the
MvdV>> chance it reached him. *I* can do nothing about it.

my message was not supposed to be directed at the OP... it was
absolutely directed at *you* as an informative message about why there
was no CHRS control line...

Why did you think that information was of any use to me? There is nothing I can do about it.

Or are you trying to flood me with useless information?


Cheers, Michiel

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Re: Test From Blue Wave Door
By: Michiel van der Vlist to Mauro Veiga on Sun Jun 07 2020 03:21 pm

Hello Mauro,

On Saturday June 06 2020 19:56, you wrote to JAY HARRIS:

@MSGID: 5667.fidotest@4:801/194 23416b7c

"5667.fidotest@4:801/194" is not a valid return address in the originating network.

It is. Send a netmail there and it'll reach the sysop.

@REPLY: 1:229/664.0 5eda5e18
@TZUTC: -0300
@TID: SBBSecho 3.06-Win32 r3.101 Jan 1 2019 MSC 1800

No CHRS kludge.

The OP needs to upgrade his version of SBBSecho to get auto-generated CHRS control lines.

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Re: Test From Blue Wave Door
By: Michiel van der Vlist to mark lewis on Mon Jun 08 2020 14:17:44

when does your editor add the CHRS line? can it properly do it before
or after you have written your message? think about it ;)

MvdV> Why do you ask?

because you stated that it is wrong to add the CHRS after the message is written... how can the editor/bbs know which CHRS is proper to add if it adds it before the text is written?

MvdV> You can see in my tearline what editor I am using. It is in
MvdV> widespread use in Fidonet. Are you not familiar with it? If not,
MvdV> widen your horizon.

you know i am familiar with it... don't act so stupid... it is not becoming...


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Re: Test From Blue Wave Door
By: Michiel van der Vlist to mark lewis on Mon Jun 08 2020 14:20:17


MvdV>>> Or are you trying to flood me with useless information?

RLY? after all these years, you still don't know me...

MvdV> I know lots of your tricks by now. Flooding is one of them..

no, it is not... i never play games or pull ""tricks"" like you are trying to attribute to me... you definitely do not know me... instead you try to project your's and other's tricks on me... you lose... again...


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Re: Test From Blue Wave Door
By: Michiel van der Vlist to mark lewis on Mon Jun 08 2020 23:29:52

you know i am familiar with it... don't act so stupid... it is not

becoming...

MvdV> So why did you ask if you already know the answer?

because i didn't/don't know the answer... i've never attempted to select a character set before writing a message in golded... i've only attempted to change the character set to READ messages... every editor/BBS that i've used has put CP437, IBMPC, or UTF-8 without my knowledge or prompting... 99% of the people in FTNs operate the same way, too... they expect the software to put in the proper CHRS line *IF* they even know about it...


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Hello August,

On Monday June 08 2020 10:17, you wrote to me:

It just says that info on that line can be constructed so that
it can be returned in a valid way.

MvdV>> It sats nothing about "construed". All it says is "valid return
MvdV>> address".

I think your eyes are crossed or something. I never wrote
"construed". I think this might explain some of what you are not understanding.

OK, my fingers were faster than my brain. They typed "construed" were "contructed" was meant.

Why don't you give us YOUR example of what FTS-0009's "^AMSGID:
origaddr serialno" should look like for the message we were
discussing?

See the MSGID in this message.


Cheers, Michiel

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