• Fakenet points

    From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Mark Lewis on Wed Feb 26 16:33:04 2020
    mark lewis wrote to Wilfred van Velzen <=-

    then you're behind the game... we'rer talking about
    nodelists from the '80s and '90s... they were absolutely a
    thing because i asked back then what those numbers at the
    end of the nodelist flags were for... sadly, two system
    crashes have lost the information i was sent back then but
    they were absolutely a thing for old software...

    Fakenets were for points because support for true points was about nonexistent.

    From the Squish mail tosser manual:

    " Fakenet Points

    In the early days of FidoNet, support for true points was minimal
    or nonexistent. As a workaround, instead of giving true 4D
    addresses to a system's points, a dummy net number was created.
    In turn, the node numbers in that net would actually represent
    points of the bossnode. Since this dummy net/node combination
    was a simple net/node address (with no point numbers), adapting
    existing software was no problem. This net number would be used
    for internal communication between the bossnode and the points.
    For example, if 123/456 were using a dummy net number of 14122,
    the fakenet version of the address 123/456.1 would be 14122/1.

    When using the fakenet scheme, it is vitally important to ensure
    that fakenet numbers do not "escape" out into the rest of the
    net. Since many systems could theoretically be using the same
    dummy network number, the fakenet addresses are usually stripped
    or converted by the boss system before messages are sent to the
    rest of the network."

    Nothing secretive about it. It just seems some sysops, while they may have been around when Ward Christensen invented the BBS, just don't remember
    enough about how Fidonet used to work. I guess it's faulty memory due to advanced age. :)

    Later,
    Sean

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Sean Dennis on Wed Feb 26 17:07:46 2020
    On 26 Feb 20 16:33:04, Sean Dennis said the following to Mark Lewis:

    Fakenets were for points because support for true points was about nonexist

    Fakenets are supported natively in D'Bridge.

    Nick

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  • From Michiel Van Der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Sean Dennis on Thu Feb 27 00:34:50 2020
    Hello Sean,

    On Wednesday February 26 2020 16:33, you wrote to mark lewis:

    When using the fakenet scheme, it is vitally important to ensure that fakenet numbers do not "escape" out into the rest of the net. Since
    many systems could theoretically be using the same dummy network
    number, the fakenet addresses are usually stripped or converted by the boss system before messages are sent to the rest of the network."

    Exactly what Wilfred was saying. Fake net numbers should not appear in the SB.

    Nothing secretive about it.

    And nothing about the IC assigning those fake net numbers...


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Mark Lewis@1:3634/12 to Michiel Van Der Vlist on Wed Feb 26 22:01:24 2020
    Re: Fakenet points
    By: Michiel van der Vlist to Sean Dennis on Thu Feb 27 2020 00:35:51


    Nothing secretive about it.

    MvdV> And nothing about the IC assigning those fake net numbers...

    that binkleyterm documentation was written before that started taking place ;)


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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to Mark Lewis on Thu Feb 27 16:11:08 2020
    Hi! mark,

    On 02/27/2020 12:56 PM, you wrote to Michiel van der Vlist:

    Nothing secretive about it.
    MvdV>> And nothing about the IC assigning those fake net numbers...

    that binkleyterm documentation was written before that started taking place ;)

    I found a text capture from Z3C in early '96, volunteering his service to maintain an approved list for Z3. He hinted that it was an agreement between the ZCs to do such.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Michiel Van Der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Mark Lewis on Thu Feb 27 10:20:42 2020
    Hello mark,

    On Wednesday February 26 2020 21:56, you wrote to me:

    MvdV>> And nothing about the IC assigning those fake net numbers...

    that binkleyterm documentation was written before that started taking place ;)

    Sure. ;-)

    Please note that the statement "A happened after B" is also true in case A has not happened (yet).


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Mark Lewis@1:3634/12 to Paul Quinn on Thu Feb 27 07:37:38 2020
    Re: Fakenet points
    By: Paul Quinn to mark lewis on Thu Feb 27 2020 16:21:08


    Nothing secretive about it.

    MvdV>>> And nothing about the IC assigning those fake net numbers...

    that binkleyterm documentation was written before that started taking place ;)

    I found a text capture from Z3C in early '96, volunteering his
    service to maintain an approved list for Z3. He hinted that it was
    an agreement between the ZCs to do such.

    interesting... thanks for that! :)


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