• Areafix requests

    From Deon George@3:633/509 to All on Fri Apr 17 13:45:38 2020
    Howdy,

    When I set up a new node, I have in my config file:
    flavour Hold

    Hoping that will result in all packets being in the outbound as hold (so the node has to poll to collect).

    At the same time, I subscribe the node to some areafix and filefix areas using

    hpt afix ...
    hpt ffix! ...

    But these seem to be created as crash. (*.cut)

    How can I get them made as hold too?
    ...deon


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Deon George on Thu Apr 16 21:36:04 2020
    Hello Deon,

    When I set up a new node, I have in my config file:
    flavour Hold

    You can use that with each link to set the flavour for that link. That will apply to outbound mail and files (flow files).

    Hoping that will result in all packets being in the outbound as hold
    (so the node has to poll to collect).

    At the same time, I subscribe the node to some areafix and filefix
    areas using

    hpt afix ...
    hpt ffix! ...

    But these seem to be created as crash. (*.cut)

    How can I get them made as hold too?

    The flavour of netmail is set in your route config.

    route hold 1:234/567 1:234/567.*
    route crash noroute 1:234/567

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/1 to Deon George on Fri Apr 17 08:14:46 2020

    17 Apr 20 13:45, Deon George wrote to All:

    When I set up a new node, I have in my config file:
    flavour Hold

    Hoping that will result in all packets being in the outbound as hold (so
    the
    node has to poll to collect).

    At the same time, I subscribe the node to some areafix and filefix areas
    using

    hpt afix ...
    hpt ffix! ...

    But these seem to be created as crash. (*.cut)

    How can I get them made as hold too?

    Check "AreafixReportsAttr" for the Link:

    AreafixReportsAttr pvt,loc,npd,hold

    'Tommi

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  • From Deon George@3:633/509 to Alan Ianson on Fri Apr 17 15:35:54 2020
    Re: Areafix requests
    By: Alan Ianson to Deon George on Thu Apr 16 2020 09:36 pm

    The flavour of netmail is set in your route config.
    route hold 1:234/567 1:234/567.*
    route crash noroute 1:234/567

    Ahh, ok. I was hoping that it could be set in the config somewhere, since using
    that parameter, it also sets:

    netMailFlavour hold

    That would be annoying if it needs to be set in two places...
    ...deon


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  • From Deon George@3:633/509 to Tommi Koivula on Fri Apr 17 15:37:04 2020
    Re: Areafix requests
    By: Tommi Koivula to Deon George on Fri Apr 17 2020 08:14 am

    Check "AreafixReportsAttr" for the Link:
    AreafixReportsAttr pvt,loc,npd,hold

    Ahh, OK, I might test that setting out. Thank you.

    (Still a shame that the other parameter doesnt control it though :)
    ...deon


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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/1.1 to Deon George on Fri Apr 17 09:07:28 2020
    Hi Deon.

    17 Apr 20 15:37:04, you wrote to me:

    Re: Areafix requests
    By: Tommi Koivula to Deon George on Fri Apr 17 2020 08:14 am

    Check "AreafixReportsAttr" for the Link:
    AreafixReportsAttr pvt,loc,npd,hold

    Ahh, OK, I might test that setting out. Thank you.

    (Still a shame that the other parameter doesnt control it though :)

    Yes, if AreafixReportsAttr is not defined at all, maybe netMailFlavour should be used?

    But on the other hand, it is better to define AreafixReportsAttr for every link.

    'Tommi

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Deon George on Fri Apr 17 00:00:48 2020
    Hello Deon,

    The flavour of netmail is set in your route config.
    route hold 1:234/567 1:234/567.*
    route crash noroute 1:234/567

    Ahh, ok. I was hoping that it could be set in the config somewhere,
    since using that parameter, it also sets:

    I don't think you want netmail set to hold globaly do you?

    I have only ever set hold or crash per node.

    netMailFlavour hold

    There is also FileEchoFlavour and EchoMailFlavour but it's just getting complicated needlessly. :)

    That would be annoying if it needs to be set in two places...

    I never set Flavour globaly. I always set per node and in the route config.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Deon George@3:633/509 to Tommi Koivula on Fri Apr 17 17:26:08 2020
    Re: Areafix requests
    By: Tommi Koivula to Deon George on Fri Apr 17 2020 09:07 am

    Yes, if AreafixReportsAttr is not defined at all, maybe netMailFlavour should be used?

    I think this is the better way to go... It doesnt make sense to me that if I have to put a node on hold, that its done in multiple places.

    It might be good to have that flexibilty for some scenarios, but mine its doesnt help...
    ...deon


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  • From Deon George@3:633/509 to Alan Ianson on Fri Apr 17 17:28:24 2020
    Re: Areafix requests
    By: Alan Ianson to Deon George on Fri Apr 17 2020 12:00 am

    I don't think you want netmail set to hold globaly do you?

    No. This is per node.

    My scenario is, when I create a new node on the hub, I want it set to Hold - but I dont want to have to set that in mulitple places for it to be effective.

    When I use that flag "flavour hold", on each node definition, it appears as if everything is to be hold - but I notice areafix messages are not.
    ...deon


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Deon George on Fri Apr 17 00:46:14 2020
    Hello Deon,

    My scenario is, when I create a new node on the hub, I want it set to
    Hold - but I dont want to have to set that in mulitple places for it
    to be effective.

    In the link section of your config set "Flavour Hold" for your new link. That means flow files for echomail, files and tics will be hold.

    When I use that flag "flavour hold", on each node definition, it
    appears as if everything is to be hold - but I notice areafix messages
    are not.

    Netmail flavour is set in your route setup not with the above "Flavour Hold". Set this new node on hold in your route config also if your netmails to it to be hold also.

    This is the way husky works. You need eyes on both "Flavour Hold" and netmail in your route setup.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Deon George@3:633/509 to Frank Linhares on Fri Apr 17 18:39:42 2020
    Re: Re: Areafix requests
    By: Frank Linhares to Deon George on Fri Apr 17 2020 03:42 am

    The node definition is for echomail where the route statement is for netmail and areafix messages are netmail and not echomail hence why there is two different statements.

    Why then, when I use "flavour hold" on a node (link) definition, it sets:

    netMailFlavour hold
    echoMailFlavour hold
    fileEchoFlavour hold

    It seems it does more than just "echomail"?

    And, if further, the "route" statements affect only netmail as you suggest - what is the purpose of "netMailFlavour hold"?

    <confused>
    ...deon


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  • From Deon George@3:633/509 to Alan Ianson on Fri Apr 17 18:41:14 2020
    Re: Areafix requests
    By: Alan Ianson to Deon George on Fri Apr 17 2020 12:46 am

    In the link section of your config set "Flavour Hold" for your new link. That means flow files for echomail, files and tics will be hold.

    So same reply I just sent to Frank.

    Why does it set "netMailFlavour hold" too?

    Netmail flavour is set in your route setup not with the above "Flavour Hold". Set this new node on hold in your route config also if your netmails to it to be hold also.

    So what is the purpose of "netMailFlvour"?
    ...deon


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Deon George on Fri Apr 17 02:07:16 2020
    Hello Deon,

    Why then, when I use "flavour hold" on a node (link) definition, it
    sets:

    netMailFlavour hold
    echoMailFlavour hold
    fileEchoFlavour hold

    Flavour does all this by itself. You can teak it further if needed with those keywords.

    You still need your route config also to route netmail as you expect.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Deon George on Fri Apr 17 02:10:18 2020
    Hello Deon,

    In the link section of your config set "Flavour Hold" for your
    new link. That means flow files for echomail, files and tics will
    be hold.

    So same reply I just sent to Frank.

    Why does it set "netMailFlavour hold" too?

    The same flavour is normally used for a node and can be adjusted with NetMailFlavour, EchoMailFlavour and FileEchoFlavour if needed.

    So what is the purpose of "netMailFlvour"?

    I'm not exactly sure, I have never used it. The docs may have a better explanation than I can give you.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/6 to Deon George on Fri Apr 17 13:25:08 2020
    Hi Deon.

    17 Apr 20 18:41, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

    So what is the purpose of "netMailFlvour"?

    I think it is how husky sets netmail flags that it creates to the link. (Other than areafix messages.)

    'Route' defines what to send and where when packing.

    'Tommi

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Alan Ianson on Fri Apr 17 06:53:16 2020
    Re: Areafix requests
    By: Alan Ianson to Deon George on Fri Apr 17 2020 00:00:48


    There is also FileEchoFlavour and EchoMailFlavour but it's just
    getting complicated needlessly. :)

    that's not complicated... that's detailed... but yeah ;)


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  • From Kai Richter@2:240/77 to Deon George on Sun Apr 19 11:26:36 2020
    Hello Deon!

    17 Apr 20, Alan Ianson wrote to Deon George:

    So what is the purpose of "netMailFlvour"?

    It's for mail flow control of oldscool times. When one small netmail could cause a local POTS call of 6 cent then it was a very expensive hobby.

    I've heard that it was common for US phone companies to have local areas calls with free of costs since the late 1990s. Btw, thats the reason why BBSs are that popular in the US, staying online did annoy other users because of busy lines but it did not annoy your wallet. But a one line BBS was busy then all the day and until late in the night. If you try to exchange mail via a fido call on a busy line you got BUSY and that's why the Zone Mail Hour was invented. The ZMH is for netmail exchange only and because of big file- and echomail would block the ZMH window a different flow control for netmail and others were required.

    In my area it was after the introduction of ISDN when the first country wide flatrate calls were seen. It was limited to weekends only but you could stay online as long as you liked. Today a country wide flatrate is common and the flatrate internet connection is online 24/7 and can handle multiple connects at
    the same time. Flow control between nodes is no longer needed, you have new mail, just send it now. We need the hold flag for points and other systems without a permanent connectivity.

    I don't need that detailed control between netmail and others but it's nice to have it included for those who really need it.

    Regards

    Kai

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Kai Richter on Sun Apr 19 09:44:44 2020
    Re: Areafix requests
    By: Kai Richter to Deon George on Sun Apr 19 2020 11:26:36


    I've heard that it was common for US phone companies to have local
    areas calls with free of costs since the late 1990s. Btw, thats
    the reason why BBSs are that popular in the US, staying online did
    annoy other users [...]

    you're off by 40+ years... local calls in the US have been free and unlimited for a lot longer... as a pre/early teenager i used to spend hours on the phone with my girl friend(s) long before BBSes were even thought of... there were times when i'd wake up with the phone still in my hand and could hear her/them breathing while sleeping on the other end...


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