Hello Tommi,

12 Jan 25 08:38, Tommi Koivula schrieb an Siggi Schoenicke:

11 Jan 25 17:20, Siggi Schoenicke wrote to All:

---------- Sat 11 Jan 2025, hpt/os2-emx 1.9 2024-03-02
1 16:27:22 Start
B 16:27:22 warning: free space doesn't checked in d:\...\
B 16:27:22 warning: free space doesn't checked in d:\...\
B 16:27:22 warning: free space doesn't checked in d:\...\

How can I remove this warning?

LogLevels, Remove "B" :)

Thanks, fits!

However, there are problems when I use GoldEd/2 (JAM) ... a lot
of empty mails appear in various echos.

Stop using the EMX version of HPT with JAM.

Watcom binaries works better. You can try mine: https://www.fidonet.fi/huskyos2/

Thank you! Everythings is fine again now!

--- FastEcho/2 1.46.1 Revival

I always liked FE ;-) Works on a different point system here

Tschuesz,
Siggi

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12 Jan 25 12:44, Siggi Schoenicke wrote to Tommi Koivula:

Watcom binaries works better. You can try mine:
https://www.fidonet.fi/huskyos2/

Thank you! Everythings is fine again now!

You're welcome.

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I always liked FE ;-) Works on a different point system here

Yes, after all these years it still works pretty nice. ;)

'Tommi

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Hello, Tommi!

Sunday January 12 2025 08:38, from Tommi Koivula -> Siggi Schoenicke:

Stop using the EMX version of HPT with JAM.
Watcom binaries works better

Then why did ID Software choose DJGPP for Quake instead of Watcom later on?

Best Regards, Nil
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Hello Tommi,

12 Jan 25 16:21, Tommi Koivula schrieb an Siggi Schoenicke:

12 Jan 25 12:44, Siggi Schoenicke wrote to Tommi Koivula:

Watcom binaries works better. You can try mine:
https://www.fidonet.fi/huskyos2/

Thank you! Everythings is fine again now!

You're welcome.

But the tody GoldED+ say ... :-(

! 20:01:18 JamArea::load_message: can't read header
: 20:01:18 Info: Your msgbase is corrupted.
+ 20:01:18 Advice: Run a msgbase index rebuild/recover utility.

In action ... hpt/os2-wc 1.9 2025-01-11


Tschuesz,
Siggi

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On 20.1.2025 21.02, Siggi Schoenicke wrote:

But the tody GoldED+ say ... :-(

! 20:01:18 JamArea::load_message: can't read header
: 20:01:18 Info: Your msgbase is corrupted.
+ 20:01:18 Advice: Run a msgbase index rebuild/recover utility.

In action ... hpt/os2-wc 1.9 2025-01-11

You can try to fix (or delete) your jam base which has obviously been broken all the time, download the latest golded from http://download.golded.org/os2/, and then finally start using squish instead of jam. :)

'Tommi

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Hello Tommi,

21 Jan 25 06:17, Tommi Koivula schrieb an Siggi Schoenicke:

On 20.1.2025 21.02, Siggi Schoenicke wrote:

But the tody GoldED+ say ... :-(

! 20:01:18 JamArea::load_message: can't read header
: 20:01:18 Info: Your msgbase is corrupted.
+ 20:01:18 Advice: Run a msgbase index rebuild/recover utility.

In action ... hpt/os2-wc 1.9 2025-01-11

You can try to fix (or delete) your jam base which has obviously been broken all the time, download the latest golded from http://download.golded.org/os2/, and then finally start using squish instead of jam. :)

...

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:-)

I use the same GED/2 under the same OS/2, but Tosser under FE/2 and Jam... so far no problems ;-)

I have never used Squish before... what should I be aware of? How do I define the areas in HPT?


Tschuesz,
Siggi

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Hello Siggi!

20 Jan 25, Siggi Schoenicke wrote to Tommi Koivula:

But the tody GoldED+ say ... :-(

! 20:01:18 JamArea::load_message: can't read header
: 20:01:18 Info: Your msgbase is corrupted.
+ 20:01:18 Advice: Run a msgbase index rebuild/recover utility.

In action ... hpt/os2-wc 1.9 2025-01-11

Back in 2004 there was a hptsqfix util. If there is one today too then you could backup the effected jam files and give it a try.

Oh, wait. First check if fastecho/2 can do that job too.

Regards

Kai

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Hello Tommi,

21 Jan 25 20:47, Siggi Schoenicke schrieb an Tommi Koivula:

...

21 Jan 25 06:17, Tommi Koivula schrieb an Siggi Schoenicke:

...

I have never used Squish before... what should I be aware of? How do I define the areas in HPT?

It's over, Squish is active.

Tschuesz,

Siggi

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On 21.1.2025 21.47, Siggi Schoenicke wrote:

...

--- FastEcho/2 1.46.1 Revival

:-)

I use the same GED/2 under the same OS/2, but Tosser under FE/2 and
Jam... so far no problems ;-)

Correct, no JAM problems with Fastecho, ever. :)

I have never used Squish before... what should I be aware of? How do I
define the areas in HPT?

Just replace "-b jam" with "-b squish".

'Tommi

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24 Jan 25 17:02, Siggi Schoenicke wrote to Tommi Koivula:

Today I expanded my batch after tossing with

hptutil sort
hptutol link

So you're using the EMX version of hptutil. :( I don't use it at all..

After that the MsgBase was gone again :-/

: 16:57:46 Info: Your msgbase is corrupted.
+ 16:57:46 Advice: Run a msgbase index rebuild/recover utility.
! 16:57:46 SquishArea::load_message: can't read Squish frame
...

I think I'd rather stick with FE/2.

Very good decision. :)

'Tommi

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Hello Tommi,

23 Jan 25 17:06, Tommi Koivula schrieb an Siggi Schoenicke:

On 21.1.2025 21.47, Siggi Schoenicke wrote:

...

I have never used Squish before... what should I be aware of? How do
I define the areas in HPT?

Just replace "-b jam" with "-b squish".

I had done so.

Today I expanded my batch after tossing with

hptutil sort
hptutol link

After that the MsgBase was gone again :-/

: 16:57:46 Info: Your msgbase is corrupted.
+ 16:57:46 Advice: Run a msgbase index rebuild/recover utility.
! 16:57:46 SquishArea::load_message: can't read Squish frame
...

I think I'd rather stick with FE/2.


Tschuesz,
Siggi

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On Fri, Jan 24 2025 17:02:19 +0100, Siggi wrote:

Today I expanded my batch after tossing with

hptutil sort
hptutol link

After that the MsgBase was gone again :-/

: 16:57:46 Info: Your msgbase is corrupted.
+ 16:57:46 Advice: Run a msgbase index rebuild/recover utility.
! 16:57:46 SquishArea::load_message: can't read Squish frame

I think I'd rather stick with FE/2.

If it helps any, I've never used hptutil for anything. You can probably take that out of your processing and have things work just fine.

If you want to link, you can use "hpt link" (or 'hpt link -j' for JAM bases) - which has worked fine for me for quite some time. As for sorting, I'm unsure what you are trying to sort (I usually leave things unsorted so the messages are displayed in the order they are received).

Regards,
Nick

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On 26 Jan 2025, Nick Boel said the following...

Today I expanded my batch after tossing with

hptutil sort
hptutol link

After that the MsgBase was gone again :-/

I had the same problem with hptutil corrupting message bases when linking & packing with that utility. Instead I link with 'hpt link -j' and pack with 'sqpack "*"' (despite the name, sqpack can pack both jam & squish message bases).

I'm unsure what you are trying to sort (I usually leave things unsorted
so the messages are displayed in the order they are received).

I don't sort messages either. I've noticed that I'll sometimes receive a reply before receiving the original message, but not often. Like Nick, I'll just display messages in the order they're received.


Jay

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Hello Nick,


26 Jan 25 05:50, Nick Boel schrieb an Siggi Schoenicke:

On Fri, Jan 24 2025 17:02:19 +0100, Siggi wrote:

Today I expanded my batch after tossing with

hptutil sort
hptutol link

After that the MsgBase was gone again :-/

: 16:57:46 Info: Your msgbase is corrupted.
+ 16:57:46 Advice: Run a msgbase index rebuild/recover utility.
! 16:57:46 SquishArea::load_message: can't read Squish frame

I think I'd rather stick with FE/2.

If it helps any, I've never used hptutil for anything. You can
probably take that out of your processing and have things work just
fine.

Not that I need it... I was just testing it ;-)

...


Tschuesz,

Siggi

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On Sun, Jan 26 2025 16:18:32 +0100, Siggi Schoenicke wrote:

If it helps any, I've never used hptutil for anything. You can
probably take that out of your processing and have things work just
fine.

Not that I need it... I was just testing it ;-)

Ah, well in that case, it seems like it's broken. :)

Regards,
Nick

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Hello,

Is there a way to influence the output of FileFix/AreaFix when referring to the list of existing areas?

Currently, the descriptions of the areas do not have a fixed distance from the name of the area.

Example:

AreaName1 ...... Description
AreaName123 ...... Description
...

This creates a problem in transferring the list into the area manager at WinPoint, as the description always appears in different places after the area name.


Tschuesz,

Siggi

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Hey Siggi!

On Sun, Feb 02 2025 07:24:58 -0600, you wrote:

Is there a way to influence the output of FileFix/AreaFix when
referring to the list of existing areas?

I'm not sure about this, but I doubt it.

Currently, the descriptions of the areas do not have a fixed distance
from the name of the area.

Example:

AreaName1 ...... Description
AreaName123 ...... Description
...

This creates a problem in transferring the list into the area manager
at WinPoint, as the description always appears in different places
after the area name.

hpt's filefix/areafix has nothing to do with WinPoint's area manager. WinPoint's area manager is a completely separate entity, needing it's own config and formatting. It's probably not as simple as just copy/pasting from one to the other.

If you get an areafix/filefix response with a list of your areas, you could use Golded to save the message as a text file to your hard drive. Then edit it to make it look like you want it to.

Otherwise, if WinPoint supports importing fidonet.na style format, or areas.bbs format, or any of the other known methods for importing message areas and descriptions into other applications, that's probably a better way to go.

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Nick,

02 Feb 25 08:25, Nick Boel schrieb an Siggi Schoenicke:

...

On Sun, Feb 02 2025 07:24:58 -0600, you wrote:

Is there a way to influence the output of FileFix/AreaFix when
referring to the list of existing areas?

I'm not sure about this, but I doubt it.

Currently, the descriptions of the areas do not have a fixed
distance from the name of the area.

Example:

AreaName1 ...... Description
AreaName123 ...... Description
...

This creates a problem in transferring the list into the area
manager at WinPoint, as the description always appears in different
places after the area name.

hpt's filefix/areafix has nothing to do with WinPoint's area manager.

I'm already aware of that.

...

If you get an areafix/filefix response with a list of your areas, you could use Golded to save the message as a text file to your hard
drive. Then edit it to make it look like you want it to.

Of course that would also work...

I always compare with FastEcho and Filescan, which both send an ordered list as an email, always with the same decorum between area and description. And is then integrated into WinPoint with 2-3 clicks ;-)

Then my query has been answered, thank you.

Tschuesz,

Siggi

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Hey Siggi!

On Mon, Feb 03 2025 05:46:40 -0600, you wrote:

Example:

AreaName1 ...... Description
AreaName123 ...... Description
...

Following up on this, I just did an areafix request from my BBS to my HPT hub, and it looks like your example above is incorrect.

What I see here on a 80 character wide terminal is basically a left justified areatag with a whitespace after, then right justified descriptions, in quotes, with a whitespace before the open quote, then periods in between them:

*S AFTERSHOCK .......................... "Aftershock Android Client Support" *S ALL-POLITICS ....................................... "Politics Unlimited" *S ALLFIX_FILE ........................... "Allfix File Announce Conference"

...

So there is definitely some formatting going on, it's just not what WinPoint needs.. correct?

Is your areafix response different from mine? If so, maybe there were some formatting changes of this output between 2020 and 2024 (our hpt version differences in years).

I always compare with FastEcho and Filescan, which both send an
ordered list as an email, always with the same decorum between area
and description. And is then integrated into WinPoint with 2-3 clicks
;-)

HPT also seems to send an ordered list via netmail. It's just not the same order that FastEcho, Filescan, or WinPoint use. I see why you are asking this, but there are other methods to achieve the list you want:

If I remember right, some (or all) of these scripts may even come with the husky sources, or at least might have at one time; I've had them for a long time, so I don't remember ;):

fconf2na.pl - This one is probably what you're looking for. That should change your fidoconf 'areas' file to a FIDONET.NA format, which I *think* would produce what you're looking for.

Then there are others (fconf2aquaed, fconf2areasbbs.pl, fconf2binkd, fconf2fidogate, fconf2golded, fconf2msged, fconf2squish, fconf2tornado, fecfg2fconf, etc).

Then my query has been answered, thank you.

I honestly don't think copy/pasting a netmailed areafix response is the proper way to go about this, even though with some other tossers you are able to do that with. All of the above scripts I mentioned do exactly what you're looking for, and for multiple formats (FIDONET.NA is probably one of the most common, though, and might even be what FastEcho, Filescan, and WinPoint are based on).

In case you don't see it in the sources, give this a shot and let me know how it goes:

https://pharcyde.org/fconf2na.pl

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Nick,


03 Feb 25 19:05, Nick Boel schrieb an Siggi Schoenicke:

...

On Mon, Feb 03 2025 05:46:40 -0600, you wrote:

...

What I see here on a 80 character wide terminal is basically a left justified areatag with a whitespace after, then right justified descriptions, in quotes, with a whitespace before the open quote, then periods in between them:

*S AFTERSHOCK .......................... "Aftershock Android Client Support" *S ALL-POLITICS ....................................... "Politics Unlimited" *S ALLFIX_FILE ...........................
"Allfix File Announce Conference"

...

So there is definitely some formatting going on, it's just not what WinPoint needs.. correct?

Correct.

...

fconf2na.pl - This one is probably what you're looking for. That
should change your fidoconf 'areas' file to a FIDONET.NA format, which
I *think* would produce what you're looking for.

...

I honestly don't think copy/pasting a netmailed areafix response is
the proper way to go about this, even though with some other tossers
you are able to do that with. All of the above scripts I mentioned do exactly what you're looking for, and for multiple formats (FIDONET.NA
is probably one of the most common, though, and might even be what FastEcho, Filescan, and WinPoint are based on).

In case you don't see it in the sources, give this a shot and let me
know how it goes:

https://pharcyde.org/fconf2na.pl

I have the file now, thanks.

Unfortunately I'm having problems implementing that ;-)

The file is in my home (Linux) as is the file with the areas which is integrated into HPT.

What is the correct call to create an areas.na from the areas file, for example? I'm not getting that right now :-(

Tschuesz,

Siggi

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Hello Nick,

05 Feb 25 11:46, Siggi Schoenicke schrieb an Nick Boel:

...

What is the correct call to create an areas.na from the areas file,
for example? I'm not getting that right now :-(

I have it! Forgot to make the script executable ;-)

Thanks for pointing out the file.

Tschuesz,

Siggi

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