• Human Wave Attacks

    From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to ALL on Wed Feb 15 22:05:32 2023
    Hello Everybody,

    Human wave attacks.
    What a novel idea.
    The Ayatollah Khomeini thought it would work.
    But we all know how that turned out.
    But hey.
    That did not faze Mad Vlad.
    He knows how to do things right.
    Which is why he hired The Wagner Group.
    And we all know how that is turning out.
    Mad Mullahs are still in Iran, 44 years
    after their revolution. I wonder how
    longer Mad Vlad will be around?
    Or Russia, for that matter, given the
    sheer number of Russians who have left?


    Putin's 'human wave' attacks kill Russians by thousands

    “Keep going until you’re killed.”

    That’s what Andrei Medvedev recalls being told by his commanders at
    the Wagner Group, a private Russian mercenary army that recruits people
    like him out of prison to wage the Kremlin’s war of aggression against Ukraine.

    Medvedev is unusual in that he not only lived to tell the tale but
    somehow escaped to Norway. Most others in his situation aren’t so
    lucky. As the war approaches its first anniversary, increasing numbers
    of Russians in Ukraine — both regular soldiers and Wagner mercenaries
    — are being treated by their superiors as “cannon fodder.” Barely
    trained and often badly armed, they’re ordered to throw themselves at
    the more hardened Ukrainian defenders, in a cynical tactic based on overwhelming the enemy with sheer numbers.

    Another name for this approach is “human-wave attacks.” They’ve been a tragically recurring feature of modern warcraft; from the trenches of
    World War I to the Soviet onslaught against the Finns and Germans in
    World War II, from the Chinese assaults on South Korean and American
    troops in the Korean War to the Iranian charges against the Iraqis in
    the 1980s.

    https://www.heraldnet.com/opinion/comment-putins-human-wave-attacks- kill-russians-by-thousands/

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Feb 16 11:14:38 2023
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 16.02.2023 00:05

    LL> That did not faze Mad Vlad.
    LL> He knows how to do things right.
    LL> Which is why he hired The Wagner Group.

    From your point of view, is the Wagner Group worse than Russian army
    and why? Both are paid military?

    Bye, Lee!
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Thu Feb 16 22:11:50 2023
    Hello Alexander,

    That did not faze Mad Vlad.
    He knows how to do things right.
    Which is why he hired The Wagner Group.

    From your point of view, is the Wagner Group worse than Russian army
    and why? Both are paid military?

    Doesn't really matter which is worse. As to the why, that is
    also easy to understand, even for the uninitiated.

    The idea of sending as many badly trained and badly armed men as
    possible at the other side is not a winning tactic. And yet, it is
    still done in today's modern world.

    So who is to blame? Those who give the orders, or those who
    follow the orders?

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Oli@2:280/464.47 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Feb 17 10:05:56 2023
    Lee wrote (2023-02-16):

    The idea of sending as many badly trained and badly armed men as
    possible at the other side is not a winning tactic. And yet, it is
    still done in today's modern world.

    So who is to blame? Those who give the orders, or those who
    follow the orders?

    Many who follow the orders have elected the mass murderer who started the war. They voted for their own death.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to All on Fri Feb 17 10:26:40 2023
    They voted for their own death.

    This is something Russian soldiers need to think about when they're shipped to the front...

    The only game changer Russia has is "numbers" ...

    ... They voted for their own death ...

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Sat Feb 18 15:46:24 2023
    Hello, alexander!

    Saturday February 18 2023 18:35, you wrote to me:

    Was Oskar Dirlewanger's group worse than Wehrmacht? :)
    Founder of Wagner Group is neo-nazi himself, btw.

    Fascists are those who tell other people how they must live, according
    their idee fixe, using violence as a tool. Exactly these people came

    This is how Russia is living at this moment.

    to Kiev in 2014 and then from Kiev to Russian Donbass and started
    these hell of violence.

    Violence started when Russia used it forces to take of Crimea. At Putin lied in front of the cameras "this is not our army".
    One lie makes many(c).

    Current Pruin's Russia is based on lies, that's the bases of our poor country at this moment :(

    The only thing why the West calls them "the fighters for democratic values" is their Hitler style hatred of Russia. That's why they

    Another lie because West gave Russia everything it had. Even Fidonet was not created by Russian programmers, it was taken from the West with MNP modems.
    Soros paid for MNP modems for Russians starting from 1988 (!). Do you think Fidonet is agood thing? :)

    desecrate the memorials of those who fought Hitler.

    It was possible to stop USSR expansion to Europe, give people freedom, stop Cold war. But USSR decided to occupy them, started mass repressions and moved them into the delusional way of building communism (which now is a joke even in modern Russia).
    Now it's time to pay the price. Nothing comes for free(c). Do you know that? :)

    Even totalitarian Putin or Wagers fighters don't use such methods.

    The will do anything to keep their power. It's well known how Russian stated payed to neo-nazis in Europe and invited them to Saint Petersburg.
    At the same time talking about danger of the Fascism.

    Never trust that moron, he'll rot in hell.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Sat Feb 18 12:02:32 2023
    Fascists are those who tell other people how they must live, according
    their idee fixe, using violence as a tool.

    Fascism is different from your description.

    Exactly these people came to Kiev in 2014 and then from Kiev to Russian Donbass and started these hell of violence.

    Nobody went to Kiev in 2014. The people of Kiev wanted, and got change.

    The only thing why the West calls them "the fighters for democratic
    values" is their Hitler style hatred of Russia. That's why they
    desecrate the memorials of those who fought Hitler.

    The people of Ukraine are indeed fighting for their freedom and democracy.

    They were attacked by a fascist government in Russia and seem to have the support of the Russian people, not entirely but a large number of Russian people seem to think that "Putin must be right to attack the people of Ukraine.

    These attacks continue even today, almost one year after the invasion began.

    Even totalitarian Putin or Wagers fighters don't use such methods.

    There is nothing for Russia to be proud of in any of this.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Mon Feb 20 11:28:06 2023
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 19.02.2023 06:24

    ak>> Fascists are those who tell other people how they must
    ak>> live, according their idee fixe, using violence as a tool.
    ak>> Exactly these people came to Kiev in 2014 and then from
    ak>> Kiev to Russian Donbass and started these hell of violence.
    WD> Fascism is a form of government where a political group will
    WD> rise to power through elections and then abolish elections as
    WD> they are not needed anymore because the group in power has
    WD> nothing but the best intentions, or so they claim. The biggest fascist
    WD> countries at the moment are:

    It is not important in which way they come to power. The main feature, I repeat -- installing _forcefully_ their will on other people according
    to idee fixe, as a rule a nationalistic one. In this case they are
    called also Nazi-fascists.

    Ukrainian fascists dislodged a lawful President, they trampled the will
    of tens of millions of people, they tried to remake that people as if
    they obedient robots. They caused the split and violence, mainly because
    their main argument always was a brutal force, as they demonstrated it
    during Maidan events in 2014. They hate words "negotiation, compromise"
    in principal.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alan Ianson on Mon Feb 20 11:44:10 2023
    Hi, Alan Ianson!
    I read your message from 18.02.2023 23:02

    ak>> Fascists are those who tell other people how they must live,
    ak>> according their idee fixe, using violence as a tool.
    AI> Fascism is different from your description.

    Yes, the Korean leader also thinks so. ;)

    ak>> Exactly these people came to Kiev in 2014 and then from Kiev to
    ak>> Russian Donbass and started these hell of violence.

    AI> Nobody went to Kiev in 2014. The people of Kiev wanted, and got
    AI> change.

    You know little -- numerous groups of nationalistic militants (they form
    now Azov nationalistic units) had been carried in Kiev from western
    Ukraine. They were the main force of the coup.

    ak>> The only thing why the West calls them "the fighters for
    ak>> democratic values" is their Hitler style hatred of Russia. That's
    ak>> why they desecrate the memorials of those who fought Hitler.

    AI> The people of Ukraine are indeed fighting for their freedom and
    AI> democracy.

    But they trampled those who were not agree with them. Democracy had been trampled in the most impudent and outrageous way.

    AI> They were attacked by a fascist government in Russia and seem to
    AI> have the support of the Russian people, not entirely but a large
    AI> number of Russian people seem to think that "Putin must be right to
    AI> attack the people of Ukraine.

    Of course they think so. There is a simple test for true Russians -- if somebody desecrate the memory and memorials of the fallen Soviet army
    soldiers they must be called a fucking Nazi. No other propaganda from
    Putin's side is needed to persuade them in the opposite view, and make
    them to have a smallest sympathy for the Ukrainians (and other nations)
    who do such things.

    PS: Protasov is not a Russian. He has no nationality.

    Bye, Alan!
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Mon Feb 20 12:02:28 2023
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 18.02.2023 18:46


    DP>>> Was Oskar Dirlewanger's group worse than Wehrmacht? :) Founder of
    DP>>> Wagner Group is neo-nazi himself, btw.

    ak>> Fascists are those who tell other people how they must live,
    ak>> according their idee fixe, using violence as a tool. Exactly these
    ak>> people came

    DP> This is how Russia is living at this moment.

    Nobody in Russia tells me how I must live. I have limited freedoms, it
    is true, but it is another matter. Don't mix fascism and totalitarism. Lukashenko is another good example. Whatever totalitarian he is he is
    not a fascist.

    ak>> to Kiev in 2014 and then from Kiev to Russian Donbass and started
    ak>> these hell of violence.

    DP> Violence started when Russia used it forces to take of Crimea. At
    DP> Putin lied in front of the cameras "this is not our army". One lie
    DP> makes many(c).

    Violence had been stops by Russia in Crimea, which certainly would have followed a Donbass scenario in other case. So your statement is a lie.

    <skipped>
    ak>> desecrate the memorials of those who fought Hitler.
    DP> It was possible to stop USSR expansion to Europe, give people
    DP> freedom, stop Cold war. But USSR decided to occupy them, started
    DP> mass repressions and moved them into the delusional way of building
    DP> communism (which now is a joke even in modern Russia). Now it's
    DP> time to pay the price. Nothing comes for free(c). Do you know
    DP> that? :)

    Common fallen Soviet soldiers who fought Hitler could be considered by
    enemy only by neo-Nazy -- no other variants can be. They died and gave
    for that victory the utmost price. The memorials are for them, (Soviet Ukrainians soldiers also among them), not for their ancestors.

    ak>> Even totalitarian Putin or Wagers fighters don't use such methods.

    DP> The will do anything to keep their power. It's well known how
    DP> Russian stated payed to neo-nazis in Europe and invited them to
    DP> Saint Petersburg. At the same time talking about danger of the
    DP> Fascism.

    I know that many people have different opinions who should be called a
    Nazi or a fascist. But in Russian there is no question about it.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Mon Feb 20 09:25:30 2023
    Hello, alexander!

    Monday February 20 2023 12:02, you wrote to me:

    This is how Russia is living at this moment.

    Nobody in Russia tells me how I must live. I have limited freedoms, it

    We've got a lot special governmental agencies for such matters. Most famous is Roskomnadzor which tells you what to read, watch, which sites you should avoid (I think more that 100 000 are blocked) and what to say.

    Go to the street and say "I am against the war" and end up in jail.

    is true, but it is another matter. Don't mix fascism and
    totalitarism. Lukashenko is another good example. Whatever
    totalitarian he is he is not a fascist.

    Lukashenko's troops are not fighting in Ukraine, btw. He never told pulicly that Ukraine is an artificial state.

    Violence started when Russia used it forces to take of Crimea.
    At Putin lied in front of the cameras "this is not our army".
    One lie makes many(c).

    Violence had been stops by Russia in Crimea, which certainly would

    Not a single person was killed in Crimea before Russian invasion. So this is just another Putin's bullshit you are spreading here.
    This is a good example how Russia is spreading lies all around, because Putin's regime is based on lies.

    It was possible to stop USSR expansion to Europe, give people
    freedom, stop Cold war. But USSR decided to occupy them, started
    mass repressions and moved them into the delusional way of
    building communism (which now is a joke even in modern Russia).
    Now it's time to pay the price. Nothing comes for free(c). Do
    you know that? :)

    Common fallen Soviet soldiers who fought Hitler could be considered by
    enemy only by neo-Nazy -- no other variants can be. They died and
    gave for that victory the utmost price. The memorials are for them,

    They did what they masters told them. And they masters were real monsters, ready to kill anyone for their delusional dreams.

    (Soviet Ukrainians soldiers also among them), not for their ancestors.

    Justs rememeber how many Ukranian died in 30s when Stalin and his colleagues took all the food to sell to the west.
    USSR was a nightmare to live in. And it brought that nightmare all around.


    The will do anything to keep their power. It's well known how
    Russian stated payed to neo-nazis in Europe and invited them to
    Saint Petersburg. At the same time talking about danger of the
    Fascism.

    I know that many people have different opinions who should be called a
    Nazi or a fascist. But in Russian there is no question about it.

    Only if you are pro-putin's far-right supporter. In Russia we have many opinions, just most of the people cannot say them publicly because they will be punished.
    I am also Russian and most of my friends would same that you are just repeating low-level propaganda.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Mon Feb 20 09:39:34 2023
    Hello, alexander!

    Monday February 20 2023 11:28, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    Ukrainian fascists dislodged a lawful President, they trampled the

    It's a will of people to decide which president is lawfull and which is not. Not Putin's right or job.

    Putin himself is unlawful president.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Mon Feb 20 09:40:44 2023
    Hello, alexander!

    Monday February 20 2023 11:44, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

    Of course they think so. There is a simple test for true Russians --

    There are no tests for "true" Russians :)

    if somebody desecrate the memory and memorials of the fallen Soviet
    army soldiers they must be called a fucking Nazi. No other propaganda

    So people of South Korea are Nazis? Russian soldiers fought against them in Korea and killed a lot.
    And people of Afghanistan? And many other countries where USSR was involved with it's forces?

    PS: Protasov is not a Russian. He has no nationality.

    As we say in Russia: do not confuse motherland with Putin's ass :)

    And btw, who the fuck are you do decide whether I am Russian or not? Please go and drink some cheap vodka to support Russian economy :)

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Mon Feb 20 02:22:54 2023
    Nobody went to Kiev in 2014. The people of Kiev wanted, and got
    change.

    You know little -- numerous groups of nationalistic militants (they form
    now Azov nationalistic units) had been carried in Kiev from western
    Ukraine. They were the main force of the coup.

    Azov nationalistic units? That is just a lie.

    The only thing why the West calls them "the fighters for
    democratic values" is their Hitler style hatred of Russia. That's
    why they desecrate the memorials of those who fought Hitler.

    The west does not hate Russia, they hate what Russian has done and is doing.

    The people of Ukraine are indeed fighting for their freedom and
    democracy.

    But they trampled those who were not agree with them. Democracy had been trampled in the most impudent and outrageous way.

    They trampled no one. They wanted and got change. They meant it.

    They were attacked by a fascist government in Russia and seem to
    have the support of the Russian people, not entirely but a large
    number of Russian people seem to think that "Putin must be right to
    attack the people of Ukraine.

    Of course they think so. There is a simple test for true Russians -- if somebody desecrate the memory and memorials of the fallen Soviet army soldiers they must be called a fucking Nazi. No other propaganda from
    Putin's side is needed to persuade them in the opposite view, and make
    them to have a smallest sympathy for the Ukrainians (and other nations)
    who do such things.

    They know so. This desecration of memorials of fallen soviet soldiers is another lie. It has no basic in reality.

    PS: Protasov is not a Russian. He has no nationality.

    Protasov's nationality is not in question.

    So, where do you want to go today?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Tue Feb 21 00:30:36 2023
    Hello Ward,

    Fascists are those who tell other people how they must live, according
    their idee fixe, using violence as a tool. Exactly these people came to
    Kiev in 2014 and then from Kiev to Russian Donbass and started these
    hell of violence.

    Fascism is a form of government where a political group will rise to power through elections and then abolish elections as they are not needed anymore
    because the group in power has nothing but the best intentions, or so they claim.

    Silly boys. You know nothing.

    When Huey Long was asked if fascism is coming to the United States,
    he replied, "Of course we'll have it. We'll have it under the guise
    of anti-fascism."

    That is what is happening in Russia - fascists call themselves
    anti-fascists. And that is also something that almost happened here,
    in the USA (during the years of FDR).

    Fascism in Italy grew out of Italian nationalism.
    We saw this with Benito Mussolini.
    Fascism in other lands for the same reason.

    According to Mussolini, who invented it, fascism is the merger
    of corporate and state powers. Using nationalism as the glue.

    In a nutshell, fascism is a nationalist, corporatist, third positionist ideology. Fascism grew out of Italian nationalism - as demonstrated
    by Benito Mussolini, who ruled Italy from 1922 until his party deposed
    him and had him arrested just before the end of WWII. All other forms
    of fascism are/were variants.

    The biggest fascist countries at the moment are:

    * North Korea
    * The People's Republic of China
    * Russia

    Hey, all one way or the other tie in to communism ...

    You left out Cuba. And a few others. Not that your list has anything
    to do with fascism, or fascist countries.

    The list of real fascist countries at the moment are -

    * Vatican City - Total top down control and exclusion of all outside
    oversight, over-sight, and laws. Review the definition of fascism and
    then apply to the church, see what you agree with.

    * Iran - A theocracy with false elections and Islamo-Fascism values.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Tue Feb 21 00:30:42 2023
    Hello Alexander,

    [..]

    This is how Russia is living at this moment.

    Nobody in Russia tells me how I must live. I have limited freedoms, it
    is true, but it is another matter. Don't mix fascism and totalitarism. Lukashenko is another good example. Whatever totalitarian he is he is
    not a fascist.

    Lukashenko lost his bid for another term, his own people rejecting
    him by a huge margin (over 80%). Mussolini was far smarter, and his
    black shirts made sure the trains always ran on time. Which is why
    he never lost an election of any kind.

    to Kiev in 2014 and then from Kiev to Russian Donbass and started
    these hell of violence.

    Violence started when Russia used it forces to take of Crimea. At
    Putin lied in front of the cameras "this is not our army". One lie
    makes many(c).

    Violence had been stops by Russia in Crimea, which certainly would have followed a Donbass scenario in other case. So your statement is a lie.

    <skipped>
    desecrate the memorials of those who fought Hitler.
    It was possible to stop USSR expansion to Europe, give people
    freedom, stop Cold war. But USSR decided to occupy them, started
    mass repressions and moved them into the delusional way of building
    communism (which now is a joke even in modern Russia). Now it's
    time to pay the price. Nothing comes for free(c). Do you know
    that? :)

    Common fallen Soviet soldiers who fought Hitler could be considered by enemy only by neo-Nazy -- no other variants can be. They died and gave
    for that victory the utmost price. The memorials are for them, (Soviet Ukrainians soldiers also among them), not for their ancestors.

    Soldiers fought for their homeland, their families, their loved ones. Regardless of how the felt personally about Josef Stalin.

    What this conflict in Ukraine is about is not defense of Russia,
    but rather a land grab by Putin and his cohorts. Same as the land
    grab by Hitler and his cohorts in regards to Russia and eastern
    Europe - plus a tad bit of western Europe.

    Even totalitarian Putin or Wagers fighters don't use such methods.

    The will do anything to keep their power. It's well known how
    Russian stated payed to neo-nazis in Europe and invited them to
    Saint Petersburg. At the same time talking about danger of the
    Fascism.

    I know that many people have different opinions who should be called a Nazi or a fascist. But in Russian there is no question about it.

    "Unchecked aggression is a threat to all of us. One year later, Kyiv
    stands and Ukraine stands. Democracy stands, Americans stand, and the
    world stands with you."
    ~ US President Joe Biden, in Kyiv, 2/20/2023

    When is the Russian president going to visit the Russian city of Kyiv?

    Oh, he is too busy tweaking his "special military operation".

    And besides, he has a speech to prepare, on the one year anniversary
    of his victory over the fucking Nazis ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Tue Feb 21 00:30:48 2023
    Hello Alexander,

    Fascists are those who tell other people how they must live,
    according their idee fixe, using violence as a tool.

    Fascism is different from your description.

    Yes, the Korean leader also thinks so. ;)

    His sister is the real leader.
    And nobody wants to knows what she thinks.

    Exactly these people came to Kiev in 2014 and then from Kiev to
    Russian Donbass and started these hell of violence.

    Nobody went to Kiev in 2014. The people of Kiev wanted, and got
    change.

    You know little -- numerous groups of nationalistic militants (they form now Azov nationalistic units) had been carried in Kiev from western Ukraine. They were the main force of the coup.

    There was no coup. A new guy took office, with the people's blessing.

    The only thing why the West calls them "the fighters for
    democratic values" is their Hitler style hatred of Russia. That's
    why they desecrate the memorials of those who fought Hitler.

    The people of Ukraine are indeed fighting for their freedom and
    democracy.

    But they trampled those who were not agree with them. Democracy had been trampled in the most impudent and outrageous way.

    The Russian city of Kyiv is still waiting for the president of Russia.
    It is not waiting for the President of the United States.

    They were attacked by a fascist government in Russia and seem to
    have the support of the Russian people, not entirely but a large
    number of Russian people seem to think that "Putin must be right to
    attack the people of Ukraine.

    Of course they think so. There is a simple test for true Russians -- if somebody desecrate the memory and memorials of the fallen Soviet army soldiers they must be called a fucking Nazi.

    Face it. The grandfather could stand on the front lines and remain
    unharmed despite the best efforts of that "special military operation"
    Putin spoke so highly of.

    No other propaganda from Putin's side is needed to persuade them in the opposite view, and make them to have a smallest sympathy for the Ukrainians
    (and other nations) who do such things.

    So when is the Russian president going to visit the Russian city
    of Kyiv? Must ba a lot of fucking Nazis, too many to keep count.

    PS: Protasov is not a Russian. He has no nationality.

    Must be just another fucking Nazi.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Tue Feb 21 15:26:46 2023
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 20.02.2023 12:25

    DP>>> Violence started when Russia used it forces to take of Crimea. At
    DP>>> Putin lied in front of the cameras "this is not our army". One
    DP>>> lie makes many(c).

    I repeat you if you read poorly -- violence in Crimea had not happened,
    like it had happened in Donbass, only because of Russian military in
    Crimea. And, BTW, If Russian troops entered Donbass in 2014 there would
    not had been any violence there too.

    <skipped>
    ak>> (Soviet Ukrainians soldiers also among them), not for their
    ak>> ancestors.

    DP> Justs rememeber how many Ukranian died in 30s when Stalin and his
    DP> colleagues took all the food to sell to the west. USSR was a
    DP> nightmare to live in. And it brought that nightmare all around.

    Soviet soldiers fallen in the WW2 are not connected with it. I hope you
    will not connect Catholic Church and inquisition killings.

    DP>>> The will do anything to keep their power. It's well known how
    DP>>> Russian stated payed to neo-nazis in Europe and invited them to
    DP>>> Saint Petersburg. At the same time talking about danger of the
    DP>>> Fascism.
    ak>> I know that many people have different opinions who should be
    ak>> called a Nazi or a fascist. But in Russian there is no question
    ak>> about it.

    DP> Only if you are pro-putin's far-right supporter. In Russia we have
    DP> many opinions, just most of the people cannot say them publicly
    DP> because they will be punished. I am also Russian and most of my
    DP> friends would same that you are just repeating low-level
    DP> propaganda.

    During the war the situation in Ukraine and Russia is similar - all the opinions against the official doctrine are punishable. Don't pretend you
    don't know it.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alan Ianson on Tue Feb 21 15:48:58 2023
    Hi, Alan Ianson!
    I read your message from 20.02.2023 13:22

    AI>>> Nobody went to Kiev in 2014. The people of Kiev wanted, and got
    AI>>> change.

    ak>> You know little -- numerous groups of nationalistic militants
    ak>> (they form now Azov nationalistic units) had been carried in Kiev
    ak>> from western Ukraine. They were the main force of the coup.

    AI> Azov nationalistic units? That is just a lie.

    You believe only Ukrainian propaganda, I know. ;-) But believing in black-and-white world is a sign of narrow-mindedness. Both sides have a
    lie and the truth in their disposal. And when Russian media were totally banned from TV satellites it is profoundly bad. Unless you consider (as
    Borrel in EC)) that people in general are fools and cannot tell what is
    a lie and you should act as a doctor for their brains. But no western TV
    will show hospitals, kindergartens and houses bombed by Ukrainians
    fighter for democracy.

    ak>>>> The only thing why the West calls them "the fighters for
    ak>>>> democratic values" is their Hitler style hatred of Russia.
    ak>>>> That's why they desecrate the memorials of those who fought
    ak>>>> Hitler.

    AI> The west does not hate Russia, they hate what Russian has done and
    AI> is doing.

    It better to say this hate looks like a fear for a strong Russia.

    AI>>> The people of Ukraine are indeed fighting for their freedom and
    AI>>> democracy.

    There is no such things in Ukraine after 2014, at least for eastern part
    and southern part of it. Nationalists had made democracy for themselves
    only.

    ak>> But they trampled those who were not agree with them. Democracy
    ak>> had been trampled in the most impudent and outrageous way.

    AI> They trampled no one. They wanted and got change. They meant it.

    You've got a stamp in your brain that everyone who is against Russia is fighting for democracy. In reality Ukrainians want to create a single nationality state as Israel has done -- a very poor example of democracy.

    AI>>> They were attacked by a fascist government in Russia and seem to
    AI>>> have the support of the Russian people, not entirely but a large
    AI>>> number of Russian people seem to think that "Putin must be right
    AI>>> to attack the people of Ukraine.

    ak>> Of course they think so. There is a simple test for true
    ak>> Russians -- if somebody desecrate the memory and memorials of the
    ak>> fallen Soviet army soldiers they must be called a fucking Nazi. No
    ak>> other propaganda from Putin's side is needed to persuade them in
    ak>> the opposite view, and make them to have a smallest sympathy for
    ak>> the Ukrainians (and other nations) who do such things.

    AI> They know so. This desecration of memorials of fallen soviet
    AI> soldiers is another lie. It has no basic in reality.

    Again I have a feeling that you write from Mars. ;-)

    Bye, Alan!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Tue Feb 21 12:49:12 2023
    Hello, alexander!

    Tuesday February 21 2023 15:26, you wrote to me:

    Violence started when Russia used it forces to take of Crimea.
    At Putin lied in front of the cameras "this is not our army".
    One lie makes many(c).

    I repeat you if you read poorly -- violence in Crimea had not
    happened, like it had happened in Donbass, only because of Russian

    Violence in Kharkiv or Dnipro never happened also. And Russian forces were never there.

    military in Crimea. And, BTW, If Russian troops entered Donbass in
    2014 there would not had been any violence there too.

    Russia sent bunch of fighters there, read about Strelkov (Girkin) and his team.

    Kiev was mostly Russian speaking and no one did anything to people skeaping Russian there :) I've been there 2 times since 2014, never had any problems.

    Justs rememeber how many Ukranian died in 30s when Stalin and
    his colleagues took all the food to sell to the west. USSR was a
    nightmare to live in. And it brought that nightmare all around.

    Soviet soldiers fallen in the WW2 are not connected with it. I hope

    But Soviet leaders were connected. They gave orders, they are responsible. Soldiers were only a tool in the hands of part leaders.

    you will not connect Catholic Church and inquisition killings.

    Church was responsible, it's impossible to deny that.

    Only if you are pro-putin's far-right supporter. In Russia we
    have many opinions, just most of the people cannot say them
    publicly because they will be punished. I am also Russian and
    most of my friends would same that you are just repeating
    low-level propaganda.

    During the war the situation in Ukraine and Russia is similar - all

    It's even impossible to say "war" about current events in Russia publicly - you'll be severely punished.

    the opinions against the official doctrine are punishable. Don't

    I don't remember anything punished in Ukraine for saying "I am for peace". In Russia we've got a lot of such examples.
    Just try to go to the street with slogan "I am for peace" and you will end up in jail. And you know that.



    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Tue Feb 21 19:43:56 2023
    Hello Alan,

    [..]

    So, where do you want to go today?

    Today is Mardi Gras.

    Like just about everybody in these parts, I am going to party!

    Throw me something, Mister!

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Tue Feb 21 19:44:02 2023
    Hello Alexander,

    Violence started when Russia used it forces to take of Crimea. At
    Putin lied in front of the cameras "this is not our army". One
    lie makes many(c).

    I repeat you if you read poorly -- violence in Crimea had not happened, like it had happened in Donbass, only because of Russian military in Crimea. And, BTW, If Russian troops entered Donbass in 2014 there would not had been any violence there too.

    If Russian troops entered Ukraine in 2014 there would not have been
    any violence.
    Whether in Crimea or Donbass, or any other part of Ukraine.
    That is what you truly believe?
    No Ukrainian does.

    <skipped>
    (Soviet Ukrainians soldiers also among them), not for their
    ancestors.

    Justs rememeber how many Ukranian died in 30s when Stalin and his
    colleagues took all the food to sell to the west. USSR was a
    nightmare to live in. And it brought that nightmare all around.

    Soviet soldiers fallen in the WW2 are not connected with it. I hope you will not connect Catholic Church and inquisition killings.

    The Catholic Church did not kill anybody during the inquisition.
    Nor did it burn anybody at the stake.

    The will do anything to keep their power. It's well known how
    Russian stated payed to neo-nazis in Europe and invited them to
    Saint Petersburg. At the same time talking about danger of the
    Fascism.
    I know that many people have different opinions who should be
    called a Nazi or a fascist. But in Russian there is no question
    about it.

    Only if you are pro-putin's far-right supporter. In Russia we have
    many opinions, just most of the people cannot say them publicly
    because they will be punished. I am also Russian and most of my
    friends would same that you are just repeating low-level
    propaganda.

    During the war the situation in Ukraine and Russia is similar - all the opinions against the official doctrine are punishable. Don't pretend you don't know it.

    What is the "official doctrine" of Putin?
    To take over Ukraine, and make it part of his New Russian Empire?
    What is "official doctrine" of Zelenskyy?
    To take over Russia, and make it part of his New Ukrainian Empire?

    I do find both approaches to be a bit of a stretch ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Tue Feb 21 19:44:08 2023
    Hello Alexander,

    Nobody went to Kiev in 2014. The people of Kiev wanted, and got
    change.

    You know little -- numerous groups of nationalistic militants
    (they form now Azov nationalistic units) had been carried in Kiev
    from western Ukraine. They were the main force of the coup.

    Azov nationalistic units? That is just a lie.

    You believe only Ukrainian propaganda, I know. ;-)

    The real question is "What do the people want?" Clearly, the people
    were not happy with the current situation and wanted change. Which is
    what they got.

    Putin didn't like it, so he took Crimea and has vowed to continue
    his "special military operation" until all his objectives have been
    met.

    Which means he is forever stuck in quicksand and can never get out
    until he is completely sunk.

    But believing in black-and-white world is a sign of narrow-mindedness. Both
    sides have a lie and the truth in their disposal.

    A clockwork orange - as noted by Anthony Burgess.

    Barack Obama ran on a platform of "hope and change." He won in a
    landslide, serving two consecutive terms as POTUS. He would still
    be president today had he not been term limited. That is a truth
    his opponents might not like, but it is the clear and unvarnished
    truth.

    And when Russian media were totally banned from TV satellites it is profoundly bad.

    Most likely due to a lack of subscribers ...

    Unless you consider (as Borrel in EC)) that people in general are fools and
    cannot tell what is a lie and you should act as a doctor for their brains.

    "We are all fools, most of the time." ~Jean val-Jean, "Les Miserables"

    But no western TV will show hospitals, kindergartens and houses bombed by Ukrainians fighter for democracy.

    Only fools would believe such a thing.

    The only thing why the West calls them "the fighters for
    democratic values" is their Hitler style hatred of Russia.
    That's why they desecrate the memorials of those who fought
    Hitler.

    The west does not hate Russia, they hate what Russian has done and
    is doing.

    It better to say this hate looks like a fear for a strong Russia.

    Yeah, right. US President Joe Biden was quaking in his boots as he
    visited Kyiv - a place Russian President Vladimir Putin could only
    dream of going to.

    The people of Ukraine are indeed fighting for their freedom and
    democracy.

    There is no such things in Ukraine after 2014, at least for eastern part and southern part of it. Nationalists had made democracy for themselves only.

    All parts of Ukraine remain sovereign - to Vladimir Putin's disdain.

    But they trampled those who were not agree with them. Democracy
    had been trampled in the most impudent and outrageous way.

    They trampled no one. They wanted and got change. They meant it.

    You've got a stamp in your brain that everyone who is against Russia is fighting for democracy. In reality Ukrainians want to create a single nationality state as Israel has done -- a very poor example of democracy.

    The state of Israel is a theocracy - for Jews only.
    The state of Iran is a theocracy - for Muslims only.
    The state of Russia is a theocracy - for Putinists only.

    They were attacked by a fascist government in Russia and seem to
    have the support of the Russian people, not entirely but a large
    number of Russian people seem to think that "Putin must be right
    to attack the people of Ukraine.

    Of course they think so. There is a simple test for true
    Russians -- if somebody desecrate the memory and memorials of the
    fallen Soviet army soldiers they must be called a fucking Nazi. No
    other propaganda from Putin's side is needed to persuade them in
    the opposite view, and make them to have a smallest sympathy for
    the Ukrainians (and other nations) who do such things.

    They know so. This desecration of memorials of fallen soviet
    soldiers is another lie. It has no basic in reality.

    Again I have a feeling that you write from Mars. ;-)

    Men are from Mars.
    Women are from Venus.
    Putinists are from somewhere else.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Wed Feb 22 02:22:22 2023
    Azov nationalistic units? That is just a lie.

    You believe only Ukrainian propaganda, I know. ;-)

    No, I believe that is a lie because that is all it is. Believe it if you want.

    But believing in black-and-white world is a sign of narrow-mindedness. Both sides have a lie and the truth in their disposal.

    Sure, liars abound.

    And when Russian media were totally banned from TV satellites it is profoundly bad.

    Lies are bad, I agree. Russian media was never banned but who wants it? It's just lies and propaganda.

    Unless you consider (as Borrel in EC)) that people in general are fools and cannot tell what is a lie and you should act as a doctor for their brains.

    What!? ;)

    But no western TV will show hospitals, kindergartens and houses bombed by Ukrainians fighter for democracy.

    If that happened western TV would show it, but that hasn't happened. You should know by now that it is Russian forces bombing hospitals, kindergartens and houses, and so much more.

    The west does not hate Russia, they hate what Russian has done and
    is doing.

    It better to say this hate looks like a fear for a strong Russia.

    It would be silly to say such a thing.

    The people of Ukraine are indeed fighting for their freedom and
    democracy.

    There is no such things in Ukraine after 2014, at least for eastern part
    and southern part of it. Nationalists had made democracy for themselves
    only.

    There is no such thing in Ukraine because Russia has invaded their country and attackes them every day.

    But they trampled those who were not agree with them. Democracy
    had been trampled in the most impudent and outrageous way.

    They trampled no one. They wanted and got change. They meant it.

    You've got a stamp in your brain that everyone who is against Russia is fighting for democracy. In reality Ukrainians want to create a single nationality state as Israel has done -- a very poor example of democracy.

    Russia doesn't come into the thinking of western people as you seem to think.

    They know so. This desecration of memorials of fallen soviet
    soldiers is another lie. It has no basic in reality.

    Again I have a feeling that you write from Mars. ;-)

    I write from a small town in western BC.

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Alan Ianson on Wed Feb 22 07:18:00 2023
    Hello Alan Ianson!

    ** On Wednesday 22.02.23 - 02:22, Alan Ianson wrote to alexander koryagin:

    You've got a stamp in your brain that everyone who is
    against Russia is fighting for democracy. In reality
    Ukrainians want to create a single nationality state as
    Israel has done -- a very poor example of democracy.

    Russia doesn't come into the thinking of western people as
    you seem to think.

    P's latest speech to the nation painted "the west" as a corrupt
    society. So.. that is what his people ARE thinking. That's the
    official message that they get.

    It is interesting that P doesn't mention the corruption and
    heavy-handedness of his own regime on Ru's people.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to August Abolins on Wed Feb 22 04:38:38 2023
    Russia doesn't come into the thinking of western people as
    you seem to think.

    P's latest speech to the nation painted "the west" as a corrupt
    society. So.. that is what his people ARE thinking. That's the
    official message that they get.

    Has P been making more speeches? ;)

    I'll have to go look and see what he has to say.

    It is interesting that P doesn't mention the corruption and
    heavy-handedness of his own regime on Ru's people.

    It's hard to watch/believe.

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to alexander koryagin on Wed Feb 22 08:02:00 2023
    Hello alexander koryagin!

    It better to say this hate looks like a fear for a strong Russia.

    Define strong. Do you just think in terms of military power?

    What's so great about living in Russia?

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to August Abolins on Wed Feb 22 15:57:26 2023
    August,

    It better to say this hate looks like a fear for a strong Russia.

    Define strong. Do you just think in terms of military power?

    What's so great about living in Russia?

    Free vacations for everyone ... just say the word ... even just a white sheet of paper is enough. Or say that you are against war. Transport, accomodation, clothing and food provided by the government at no extra cost..

    True, it's not really a war, it's a special military operation. Don't ask me what it is so special about it, I'm guessing the way it sucks?

    \%/@rd

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Ward Dossche on Wed Feb 22 11:48:28 2023
    Re: Re: Human Wave Attacks
    By: Ward Dossche to August Abolins on Wed Feb 22 2023 03:57 pm

    True, it's not really a war, it's a special military operation. Don't ask me what it is so special about it, I'm guessing the way it sucks?

    I thought this was all a response to Western aggression?
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