Also the West must realize that Russian could not close its eyes on what was happening with Russian people in Ukraine after 2014.
In about seven weeks, 1 December 2022, it will be exactly 30 years since the *Ukrainian*
people voted for independence from Russia, with an overwhelming 96.3% for and 3.7% against. In
a *proper* referendum, nothing like the fake ones Russia is so fond of, inside as well as
outside of Russia.
a *proper* referendum, nothing like the fake ones Russia is so fond of, inside as well as
outside of Russia.
In 1991, Crimea held a referendum
a *proper* referendum, nothing like the fake ones Russia is so fond of, inside as well as
outside of Russia.
In 1991, Crimea held a referendumWhat part of *proper* referendum, and so on, did you not understand?
Доброго времечка, BjФrn Felten.
Вы писали 12.10.22 15:55:
In about seven weeks, 1 December 2022, it will be exactly 30
years since the *Ukrainian* people voted for independence from
Russia, with an overwhelming 96.3% for and 3.7% against. In a
*proper* referendum, nothing like the fake ones Russia is so fond
of, inside as well as outside of Russia.
In 1991, Crimea held a referendum with the results of 93% for the return of the status of an autonomous Soviet socialist republic as part of the union state, but instead received the formal status of autonomy within
the Ukrainian SSR.
Also in 1991 the USSR held a referendum that asked did people wish to preserve the USSR. People of Ukraine also supported the USSR. Which referendum is more honest?
And it was by the right proper legal referendum of 1991 that the people
of Crimea were deceived by Ukraine!
You really do NOT understand.
I wonder why Israel can do the same thing without a referendum and
without looking to the international community, but Russia cannot.
In about seven weeks, 1 December 2022, it will be exactly 30 years since the *Ukrainian*Also in 1991 the USSR held a referendum that asked did people wish to preserve the USSR.
people voted for independence from Russia, with an overwhelming 96.3% for and 3.7% against.
In a *proper* referendum, nothing like the fake ones Russia is so fond of, inside as well as
outside of Russia.
People of Ukraine also supported the USSR. Which referendum is more honest?
So don't you come here with your fucking Putinist propaganda; out here in the free world wePutin for you is as Carabas-Barabas from the Pinoccio tale. You as a child cannot see
have enough facts, past as well as present, to be able to expose all your lies and
fairy-tales.
anything behind his beard.
I wonder why Israel can do the same thing without a referendum and
without looking to the international community, but Russia cannot.
Thus, some individuals, for their own benefit, ignored the opinion of
the entire population of the USSR and illegally ruined the country.
As we now know - for the money and personal privileges of the United States.
I wonder why Israel can do the same thing without a referendum and without looking to theDo not pull a Witt on us ....
international community, but Russia cannot.
Also in 1991 the USSR held a referendum that asked did people wish to preserve the USSR.Let me see now. An honest referendum organized by the USSR? Yeah, that's a tough one...
People of Ukraine also supported the USSR. Which referendum is more honest?
8-)
And it was by the right proper legal referendum of 1991 that the people of Crimea wereSo what does Russia have to do with it?
deceived by Ukraine!
Catalonia had an referendum too and independence was denied. Why didn't Catalonia become part
of Russia?
You really do NOT understand.You really do NOT understand.
I wonder why Israel can do the same thing without a referendum and without looking to theWhat fucking referendum are you talking about? The fake ones or the one that doesn't invite
international community, but Russia cannot.
Russia for occupation?
In 1991, Crimea held a referendum with the results of 93% for the return of the status of anSo you think the annexation of Crimea by Russia was justified, because of that Referendum? What
autonomous Soviet socialist republic as part of the union state, but instead received the
formal status of autonomy within the Ukrainian SSR.
part of "autonomy" don't you understand?
In 1991, Crimea held a referendumWhat part of *proper* referendum, and so on, did you not understand?
the rest of the world has no right to vote...
of, inside as well asa *proper* referendum, nothing like the fake ones Russia is so fond
outside of Russia.
In 1991, Crimea held a referendum
What part of *proper* referendum, and so on, did you not understand?
Don't pull the owl on the globe ;) The referendum was held twice with
93 and 97% of the votes in favor. The remaining 7 and 3% disagree, but
Also in 1991 the USSR held a referendum that asked did people
wish to preserve the USSR. People of Ukraine also supported the
USSR. Which referendum is more honest?
Let me see now. An honest referendum organized by the USSR?
Yeah, that's a tough one... 8-)
So the West does not recognize any ;) only the West is always right,
the rest of the world has no right to vote...
In about seven weeks, 1 December 2022, it will be exactly 30 years
since the *Ukrainian* people voted for independence from Russia,
with an overwhelming 96.3% for and 3.7% against. In a *proper*
referendum, nothing like the fake ones Russia is so fond of, inside
as well as outside of Russia.
Also in 1991 the USSR held a referendum that asked did people wish to preserve the USSR. People of Ukraine also supported the USSR. Which referendum is more honest?
of, inside as well as
outside of Russia.
In 1991, Crimea held a referendum
What part of *proper* referendum, and so on, did you not understand?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Ukrainian_independence_referendum On 26 December 1991 the
Soviet Union ceased to exist. So the referendum didn't really matter.
People of USSR voted for keeping USSR. Ignored by Kravchuk (Ukraine),
live... And there is no USSR either. Because on the day of the
"collapse" of the Union, the United States was extremely welcomed in accordance with their national interests. So forget about Russia and Ukraine ;)
profitable than one in perfect order. Since its foundation, the USSR
has lived under the sanctions of the West. The whole century.
I can still understand that you basically don't understand Russian in white, but not to understand English... Do not confuse warm with soft. What language will you understand? I can offer Chinese, Arabic, Zulu..
Well, Russians facilitated the election of Trump ...
The West blames any failures on the machinations of enemies. This is an axiom.
Also in 1991 the USSR held a referendum that asked did people wish to preserve the USSR.On 26 December 1991. A day that will live in infamy. The Soviet Union votes itself out of
People of Ukraine also supported the USSR. Which referendum is more honest?
existence. The only vote that really mattered, and counted.
I guess that next you will demand that Russian people must be allowed to vote in the POTUSWell, Russians facilitated the election of Trump ...
elections?
Please stop posting fake information.
Referendum in 1991 was about "new reformed USSR", not about
existing USSR. But since no one cared to reform it - it died.
No one voted for "preserving existing USSR".
Hi! Where have you been? New CIA courses in Poland or you were let out
from a Russian detention camp? ;-)
PS: it was a joke.
Let me see now. An honest referendum organized by the USSR?
Yeah, that's a tough one... 8-)
It was the time of Gorbachev - the most free time ever for Russia and
its former republics. There was no pressure on people. If they wanted
legally null and void. The people of all the republics of the USSR
voted for preservation. The opinion of the people (the only power!)
rudely ignored and staged a power coup.
The existence of the troll-factory in St.Petersburg is also an axiom.Well, Russians facilitated the election of Trump ... The West blames any failures on themachinations of enemies. This is an axiom.
During my military-service there was always another axiom ... the enemy was always coded-red
and came from the east. So one day I was in charge of the red-unit and we were supposed to
attack from the east so that the higher-ups could demonstrate how to mount a successful
defence against attacks from the east ... we circumvented the position we were supposed to
attack and came from the west. The commanding officer was furious as the colonel there saw the
defence was useless, we were told we did not attack as agreed upon which I said "With all
respect sir, we are the enemy and we do not make plans with you... you just lost the war".
Another axiom, it was so easy with our redios to break into East-German and Soviet
communication networks ... everything was sent uncoded ... too easy.
Were they punished later or praised? ;)
Another axiom, it was so easy with our redios to break intoEast-German and Soviet
communication networks ... everything was sent uncoded ... too easy.
I didn't even have a thought why is it so easy? ;)
I have a radio with adaptive coding, simultaneously transmits two
signals, encoded with the necessary information and open with unnecessary ;) it's funny to watch the actions of the enemy who intercepted the
signal ;)
I didn't even have a thought why is it so easy? ;)
I have a radio with adaptive coding, simultaneously transmits two
signals, encoded with the necessary information and open with
unnecessary ;) it's funny to watch the actions of the enemy who
intercepted the signal ;)
This was 1974 ... Now NATO-forces have advanced electronics. Russian forces still use the same khrap.
Were they punished later or praised? ;)Nothing of the kind ... it was a Friday in winter and we all went away.
Military professionals are just a way to keep unemployment figures low.
This was 1974 ... Now NATO-forces have advanced electronics. Russian forces still use the same
khrap.
Former army general announced about week ago that 1,5 million uniforms
for new conscripts were stolen! Amazing things are happening..
Former army general announced about week ago that 1,5 million
uniforms for new conscripts were stolen! Amazing things are
happening..
Hmmmm ... what is one supposed to do with a stolen uniform ?
Hmmmm ... what is one supposed to do with a stolen uniform ?
On 26 December 1991 the Soviet Union ceased to exist. So the referendum didn't really matter.
Legally, this statement is null and void.
And it was decided in a hurry based on the results of the referendum.
In about seven weeks, 1 December 2022, it will be
exactly 30 years since the*Ukrainian* people voted for
independence from Russia, with an overwhelming 96.3%
for and 3.7% against. In a*proper* referendum, nothing
like the fake ones Russia is so fond of, inside as well
as outside of Russia.
Also in 1991 the USSR held a referendum that asked did
people wish to preserve the USSR. People of Ukraine also
supported the USSR. Which referendum is more honest?
On 26 December 1991.
A day that will live in infamy.
The Soviet Union votes itself out of existence.
The only vote that really mattered, and counted.
Everybody counts what he likes. ;-)
On 26 December 1991. A day that will live in infamy. The Soviet LL>Unionvotes itself out of existence. The only vote that really LL>mattered, and counted.
A private contract that does not comply with any constitution is legally null and void.
The people of all the republics of the USSR voted for preservation.
The opinion of the people (the only power!) rudely ignored and staged a power coup.
It suits the West exactly and _exclusively_ this option. Because the West is
a coward and does not need strong opponents.
if i can project the thing i was told from my grandparents from their
time during WWII in germany (and my time working for a used clothes
dealer) i would suggest to look into the value of the fabric itself: ONE uniform maybe not worth much, >1000 on the other hand...
votes itself out of existence. The only vote that really LL>mattered, and counted. A privateWith no more constitution, everything is null and void. As such, each republic went its own
contract that does not comply with any constitution is legally null and void.
way. Some before the formal vote was actually taken.
The people of all the republics of the USSR voted for preservation.All politics is local. The people of every republic chose to go their own way. Whether some
who yearned to keep the old Soviet Union going or not, those are the facts.
The opinion of the people (the only power!) rudely ignored and staged a power coup.Sorry, you are all wet. There was no "power coup" in Ukraine, but an actual vote (Act of
Declaration of Independence was held in Ukraine on 1 December 1991). This is the same act that
was adopted by the Supreme Soviet of the Ukrainian SSR on 24 August 1991.
It suits the West exactly and _exclusively_ this option. Because the West is a coward andSo. Kipling had it all wrong. The East is West and the East is West. And always the twain
does not need strong opponents.
shall meet.
OK, the people of Crimea, Donbass, etc. decided that now their paths with Ukraine have diverged. What other vote is required?
Depending on where to look from ;) we are watching from Russia now, let
me remind you ;)
All politics is local. The people of every republic chose to go
their own way. Whether some who yearned to keep the old Soviet
Union going or not, those are the facts.
Just because the three traitors decided so. Mind you, not the people,
but three persons who put a bolt on the opinion of the people.
Hello Oleg,
On 26 December 1991 the Soviet Union ceased to exist. So the referendum didn't really matter.The vote taken by the USSR to dissolve itself was the last official act of its existence.
Legally, this statement is null and void.
And it was decided in a hurry based on the results of the referendum.Yes, it was unanimous.
OK, the people of Crimea, Donbass, etc. decided that now their paths with Ukraine haveThe people of Flanders in Belgium would like to go their separate ways. The people of
diverged. What other vote is required?
French-Flanders (in the north of France) speak the same language as in Flanders, they would
like to leave for Flanders, maybe Scotland will want to leave the UK, in Aland the people
speak Swedish and are connected to the Swedish telephone network but are part of Finland ...
that is all generic and historic.
The Donbas is a situation provoked and created by Russia, Russian military have been fighting
there since whenever the conflict started. The Crimea situation was provoked and created by
Russia...
That referendum in the Donbas was a joke. As it is part of Ukraine, only the Ukrainian
government could decide upon something like that, not an outside power. Plus no secrecy of the
vote, armed guards going from door to door extracting a vote (we've seen it on multiple
cameras) and noting the names of people electing to stay with Ukraine. It reminded us of
elections in Iran when Khomeini rose to power when Mullahs were around in the voting locations
to verify your vote before casting it.
There was a French TV crew allowed to go along on such a vote-forrage and their comment was
that people there have no idea what "a free election" means ... they just voted the way they
were told to vote.
If you see the ease with which the Ukrainian armed forces are whipping the ass of the bear you
have to conclude they easily could have overrun the Donbas if you are intellectually honest.
Depending on where to look from ;) we are watching from Russia now, let me remind you ;)Next time you go outside, wave to the skies ... we're watching via satellite. When Putin goes
to the toilet we know he wiped before he even manages to flush.
All politics is local. The people of every republic chose to go
their own way. Whether some who yearned to keep the old Soviet
Union going or not, those are the facts.
Just because the three traitors decided so. Mind you, not the people,
but three persons who put a bolt on the opinion of the people.
I don't remember any (!) protests in our city during those days.
No one cared.
That's why USSR ceased to exist - because no one cared about it.
Everybody counts what he likes. ;-)
One bridge too many.
Contractor has until 1 July 2023 to fix it.
In time for the next truck to make its way ...
Military use intact railway bridge. The automobile road became two time narrow (2 lines instead of 4) in the place of the blast.
Everybody counts what he likes. ;-)
One bridge too many. Contractor has until 1 July 2023 to fix it. In time for the next truck
to make its way ...
Military use intact railway bridge. The automobile road became two time narrow (2 linesIt is the psychological blow that counted. Showed the world that Russian forces were unable to
instead of 4) in the place of the blast.
protect any areas within Crimea - or anywhere else in Russian-occupied Ukraine.
Military use intact railway bridge. The automobile road
became two time narrow (2 lines instead of 4) in the place
of the blast.
It is the psychological blow that counted. Showed the world that
Russian forces were unable to protect any areas within Crimea -
or anywhere else in Russian-occupied Ukraine.
Maybe, but one thing is obvious, however -- Ukraine has suffered ten
times more losses after having done it.
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