• Re: Ukraine National Ant

    From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Alan Ianson on Thu Mar 17 17:42:30 2022
    Доброго времечка, Alan Ianson.
    Вы писали 17.03.22 6:30:

    Nothing is removed. The black and white is all there for your
    perusal, all the pretty stuff along with the not so pretty stuff
    as you can see in the case of the article you linked.
    Try to search for yourself. I'm not going to state the obvious.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Fri Mar 18 00:15:38 2022
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    Hello, alexander!

    Thursday March 17 2022 09:01, you wrote to me:

    Peaceful resistance was very possible, but too many people
    in Ukraine wanted to spill some blood.
    In Russia.

    And because of that Ukrainian troops came to Donbass? Who had entered

    Ukrainian troops were in Donbass! It was part of their country. They were standing near the border with Russia.

    Donbass first and started a bloody civil war?

    No, it was Igor Strelkov and his fighters from Russia who where sent there to start the conflict.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Fri Mar 18 09:32:42 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 18.03.2022 00:15

    ak>> And because of that Ukrainian troops came to Donbass? Who
    ak>> had entered
    DP> Ukrainian troops were in Donbass! It was part of their country.
    DP> They were standing near the border with Russia.

    It is not true. Ukrainian troops had been sent to crush Donbass a time
    after the coup.

    ak>> Donbass first and started a bloody civil war?
    DP> No, it was Igor Strelkov and his fighters from Russia who where
    DP> sent there to start the conflict.

    The fighters that came from Russia would not have any sense without
    local fighters.

    Bye, Dmitry!
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Fri Mar 18 09:34:32 2022
    That's why you should be able to see the Russian version of the event.

    The 'news' has only one version ... there is no such thing as 'alternative news' ...

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Sun Mar 20 19:36:28 2022
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 18.03.2022 11:34

    ak>> That's why you should be able to see the Russian version of
    ak>> the event.
    WD> The 'news' has only one version ... there is no such thing as
    WD> 'alternative news' ...

    May be in paradise. But on Earth it ridiculous to tell that one side of
    the conflict always tells the truth. Or to tell the western media lies
    never.

    Bye, Ward!
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Mon Mar 21 15:57:16 2022
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    Hello, alexander!

    Monday March 21 2022 15:30, you wrote to me:

    without local fighters.
    So you are admitting that Russia sent military units into
    Ukraine, although we had local law which was signed by Putin
    that Ukraine is our ally?

    Ukraine was an ally when Yanukovich was in power. Sending fighters in

    So we took territory from our ally?

    Ukraine in the period 2014-2022 had only one purpose -- to prevent

    No, the purpose was to take some territory and start major conflict in Ukraine.

    cutting throats of the Russian population of Donbass who didn't accept

    But no one was actaully killed before the arrival of Russia fighters.
    The whole story about "cutting throats" was jus Putin's fakes.

    the coup in Kiev. After the people burning in Odessa it was actual.

    It was the only event which was a tradegy but not something planned in advance. We now have 1000x more civilians killed because of our invasion than people who died in single fire in Odessa.
    At this single moment people are beeing killed in Mariupol because of our invasion.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dale Shipp on Tue Mar 22 10:20:30 2022
    Hi, Dale Shipp!
    I read your message from 22.03.2022 00:51

    AK>>> Responding to the Ukrainian accusations on Wednesday,
    AK>>> the Russian military said none of its planes had
    AK>>> carried out any ground attacks in Mariupol that day,
    AK>>> and the theater had not in any case been on its list of
    AK>>> targets.
    DS>> I would not have expected them to say anything else.
    AK>> Yes, it also can be so. Although Americans with their
    AK>> sophisticated radar equipment and event surveillance could
    AK>> say the truth.
    DS> Except that the USA military is not there, nor would they be
    DS> prone to publish what ever intelligence they might obtain if
    DS> they had access.

    Nevertheless their word would be important. Another confirmed story is
    the missile night strike against the mall with hidden missiles launch
    system.

    You can not watch the video how they hide such systems in such places,
    but just in case:

    https://www.rt.com/russia/552408-kiev-mall-bombing-military/

    Bye, Dale!
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Tue Mar 22 14:00:14 2022
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    Hello, alexander!

    Tuesday March 22 2022 09:40, you wrote to me:

    fake news from my story, they idea is not to bring news to
    people, but to spread propaganda.

    Do you think that Ukraine doesn't participate in propaganda war and doesn't make fake news? Take for instance the claim that Russian

    I mean that if you post RT stories and you know that they are fake news company - why do you do that?
    What's the reason?

    troops in one mouth has lost more people than they lost in Afghanistan
    for 10 years war. A funny propaganda news.

    You don't know how much Russian troops were killed in Ukraine, that's the problem.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Tue Mar 22 14:02:04 2022
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    Hello, alexander!

    Tuesday March 22 2022 10:01, you wrote to me:

    It was the only event which was a tradegy but not something
    planned in advance. We now have 1000x more civilians killed
    because of our invasion than people who died in single fire in
    Odessa. At this single moment people are beeing killed in
    Mariupol because of our invasion.

    I also don't understand why Putin has thought that his "operation"
    could make the situation better than it was. I only believe that this

    Because he is delusional former KGB officer. Paranoid dictator who is even afraid of using internet.


    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Tue Mar 22 14:03:36 2022
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    Hello, alexander!

    Tuesday March 22 2022 10:04, you wrote to me:

    And Russian propaganda will say "we don't believe Amricans".
    It's like Russian embassy in Ukraine which was saying: "there
    will be no war", but then just closed and even didn't tell to
    Russian citizens to leave Ukraine ASAP.

    The American statement on this account would be important not for the Russian auditory only.

    Americans asked it's citizens to leave the country, Russian embassy was saying that they will be no war and just left.
    This is how we are protecting our citizens.
    That's why those stories about "protecting people of Donbass" are just empty slogans: our state just left our women ofter with children in Ukraine and stared a war without any plans for their evacuation.

    It's so terrible!

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Wed Mar 23 11:25:02 2022
    Hello, alexander!

    Wednesday March 23 2022 10:16, you wrote to me:

    I mean that if you post RT stories and you know that they are
    fake news company - why do you do that? What's the reason?

    I've never claimed that RT news are all the holy truth. I just

    RT was created to spread Russian propaganda abroad, you can check the real purpose of such organizations were " ideological subversion or active measures ... or psychological warfare" under control by KGB/FSB. Check what Yuri Bezmenov said about that:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Bezmenov

    You don't know how much Russian troops were killed in Ukraine,
    that's the problem.

    There are many bloggers in the Internet who easily tell you it, along
    with other things, the Saddam Hussein's KGB rank including. But are
    their numbers worth to be trust?

    As long you don't know (at not supposed to know) the truth - you cannot be sure about anything.
    Baiden was right about the Invasion, Putin was lying. Now we see that clearly. But number of killed Russians is a secret information, Russian State was never very happy to disclose any secret information and they can easily lie about casualties. I don't think Baiden will help us with that :(

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Thu Mar 24 14:41:30 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 23.03.2022 11:25

    ak>> There are many bloggers in the Internet who easily tell you
    ak>> it, along with other things, the Saddam Hussein's KGB rank
    ak>> including. But are their numbers worth to be trust?
    DP> As long you don't know (at not supposed to know) the truth -
    DP> you cannot be sure about anything. Baiden was right about the
    DP> Invasion, Putin was lying. Now we see that clearly. But number
    DP> of killed Russians is a secret information, Russian State was
    DP> never very happy to disclose any secret information and they can
    easily
    DP> lie about casualties. I don't think Baiden will help us with
    DP> that:(

    Say to me - if the truth/a lie == 50/50 - what is it? ;-)

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Thu Mar 24 05:36:32 2022
    I have already told you why Russian troops cannot enter the big cities.

    They have tried.

    And I repeat all victims and distraction coukd be avoided if Zelensky
    would choose a peaceful scenario. Peaceful resistance to the Russian
    troops could be more effective. No killed, no distruction. Another
    matter that too many people in Ukraine really want to fight.

    Do you actually believe that? Peaceful resistance to the Russian troops could be more effective?

    It is not that too many people in Ukraine want to fight. Ukraine was invaded by Russia. There was no threat to Russia by Ukraine. The Ukrainian people are fighting for their lives and country. They are doing that heroically and with much success in spite of the superior numbers of the invaders.

    You can believe that the number of Russian soldiers who have died is as reported. The Ukrainians didn't ask for the war and have asked Russia to end their invasion.

    None of this would have happened had Russia not started this heinous act of aggression and committed it's various war crimes since the invation began.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Thu Mar 24 15:11:06 2022
    Hello, alexander!

    Thursday March 24 2022 15:08, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    Well, you probably forgot the main slogan of the Putin's campaign -
    the _liberation_ of Ukrainian people from fascists. ;) So, killing a

    He was lying, again.

    common Ukrainian people is certainly is not in the plan. But if the

    You never saw the plan, thats the problem.

    Ukrainian military sits in the cities quarters it is almost impossible
    to done them without flattening the city into ruins. I don't know what

    The same was with Soviet forces during WWII - they were located near civil areas. And Nazi troops were detroying Kharkiv the same way.
    Ukranians are protecting their country from foreign invaders and Russian forces was never very accurate, so mass destruction of cities was almost inevitable.

    I have already told you why Russian troops cannot enter the big
    cities. And I repeat all victims and distraction coukd be avoided if Zelensky would choose a peaceful scenario. Peaceful resistance to the

    You mean - surrender? This is treason, BTW.

    Russian troops could be more effective. No killed, no distruction.

    You mean - surrender? CHeck what's happening in Mariupol - Russian forces already banned Ukranian language in schools, many citizens were detained, torture is common.

    Another matter that too many people in Ukraine really want to fight.

    Putin says that Russians and Ukranians are the same nation, right? So why he thought that theywill surrender?
    He is just crazy.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Ward Dossche on Fri Mar 25 03:46:56 2022
    And the west sits on their collective asses, condemns, demands ... but does nothing while the Ukrainian people get slaughtered and their cities destroyed ...

    The west does nothing?

    The war in Ukraine is a human catastrophy, we can all see that. If the west put boots on the ground now it would become a hot mess rather quickly and that would not help Ukraine.

    There is a red line somewhere, I couldn't say exactly where it is since I am not a war planner and am not involved, but it is there.

    Today Russia used white phosphorus in Ukraine, in Kyiv in a civilian area. That is a chemical weapon. It burns the target area including any people on the ground hit by it. Russia is getting closer to the red line although that gives me no comfort.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Sun Mar 27 04:01:58 2022
    Hello Alan,

    Putin's vision is to eliminate Ukraine from the face of the earth.

    That is clear from what he calls phase one of the successful invasion of Ukraine. Of course it was not successful. If you believe what he says (of course you cannot believe anything he says) he has now moved on to phase 2 in the Donbass region where he will kill and destroy the cities of largely Russian speaking areas of Ukraine as he did in Mariupol and other places.

    Those two areas are largely uncontested, populated by Putin loyalists,
    so its cities will not be destroyed. Except one industrial city just
    outside that area populated by hundreds of thousands of civilians who
    have not pledged loyalty to Putin.

    It is essential for him to do so, as Ukraine is the lynchpin. He views
    himself as Czar of Russia. Not in the sense you think of it. Or of
    what most others might think of it.

    Yes, he would be the Tsar of Russia.

    Overseeing all the lands populated by the Orthodox faithful.

    Putin is not interested in recreating or resurrecting the USSR.
    What he wants is something far greater. Something all the world's
    leaders and political commentators seem to have forgotten.

    In times of old, the peoples around the world (those in Christendom)
    looked upon three people:

    * The Pope
    * The King/Queen of England
    * The Czar of Russia

    We all know who those people represented. The world's Catholics
    looked to the Pope. The world's Protestants looked to the King/Queen
    of England. The world's Orthodox looked to the Czar of Russia.

    The days of the Tsar are over now.

    Not in Putin's mind.

    In those days, there was no separation of church and state.
    In Putin's Russia, there is no separation of church and state.

    That is why he does not recognize Belarus or Ukraine as independent
    or sovereign states. Both are part of Russia, with all his subjects.

    This is a dream world of times past long ago.

    This is Putin's dream of days to come.

    This is a case of the bear reprimanding one of its cubs. Mama bear
    will not stop until baby bear complies.

    No, this is something different. Very different.

    Putin views Mother Russia as the bear, and Ukraine as the cub that
    needs to be taught a lesson.

    All comedy is based on tragedy. Shakespeare said that. And what a
    tragedy it is for Ukraine (and the world) to be going through this.
    Yes, Zelensky has performed bravely, and heroicly. But we all know
    how this ends.

    All comedy is based on tragedy. An individual slips on a banana
    peel and lands on his butt. We laugh. Even though it is a tragedy.

    Putin finds it funny that a comedian would dare defy his rule.
    And now Putin has found himself the one who has slipped on a banana
    peel. What do you think will be his reaction?

    Russia invaded Ukraine and will be expelled at great cost.

    Putin is like a gorilla whose hand won't let go of a coconut
    in the ground. He is incapable of escaping his own predicament.
    But does his opposition have the will to finish what needs to
    be done, or will it have mercy and free him to continue his ways?

    Had Donald Trump won a second term there would have been no war in
    Ukraine. Trump would have withdrawn the US from NATO, Putin would
    have forced Ukraine to comply with his wishes (becoming a vassal
    state), Zelensky would retire from politics and go on an extended
    speaking tour, and all would be well.

    When the Donald was elected I thought that was a bad idea but I didn't realize it would turn out so badly. I hope there will be no more such presidents in the USA.

    He could return to haunt us. You know that.

    Putin's best days are well behind him now.

    He is just getting started. A young man, pushing 70 but still in
    great shape, and ready for action. As long as he can find enough
    young people to do it for him.

    No, Putin is just about finished.

    What a ridiculous thing to say. Just because Putin is pushing 70 does
    not mean he is "just about finished." Donald Trump will be a young man
    of 78 if he is re-elected POTUS in 2024. And Joe Biden will only be 82
    years young if he wins a second consecutive term in 2024. And do keep
    in mind that Putin has a six-year term rather than a short four-year
    term. Plenty of time for him to prepare for the next election.

    The population of Russia today is 145 million. That is down
    by 10 million from what it was a decade ago. And Russians are
    leaving by even greater numbers since the invasion of Ukraine
    began ...

    I don't blame the people of Russia although the events unfolding today are being done in the name of Russia. I hope that the people of Russia will solve their kleptocracy issues and rejoin the world community at some point.

    The majority of Russians know and understand who and what Putin is.
    Although they would prefer a more rational leader, they are unable to
    freely express their views, much less vote for the candidate of their
    choice. It is fantasy to believe Russia is still a democracy of any
    kind. But people are not stupid. Not nearly as stupid as Putin would
    like to believe.

    That's a rather tall order but I hope they can do that somehow.

    One day, like all men, Putin will die. And people everywhere around
    the world (not just in Russia) will celebrate.

    The real power is in the hands of the Russian people if they will exercize.
    Maybe they don't know they have the power?

    Il Duce ordered women to make babies for Fascist Italy. Offered them
    bribes to do so. Lots of Italian lira. But Italian couples knew what
    to do. Yes, they continued to do what men and women have always done
    since the beginning of time. But just before reaching that magic
    moment, they completely lost interest and nothing came of it. This
    is real history, what was done before and during WWII.

    Vladimir Putin has been offering the same bribe to Russian women,
    only with Russian rubles rather than Italian lira. Not many Russian
    women (if any) took him up on his offer.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Sun Mar 27 04:02:04 2022
    Hello Alan,

    It was no surprise to anyone when Putin decided to invade Crimea,
    and then annex it into Russia. It was also no surprise for any real
    Ukrainian military resistance, as such military resistance was
    virtually non-existent. All that US President Barack Obama could
    do was protest and impose weak sanctions on Russia for its actions.
    And of course, the UN condemned its actions, punishing Putin with
    a wet noodle.

    I don't recognize Putin's annexation of Crimea, does anyone?

    Not me. Not the international community. Not anybody else I know of.

    Obama did next to nothing. The world just shrugged its shoulders.
    Putin got what he wanted, at very little cost. And that was just a
    nibble of things to come.

    Did Crimea ask for help?

    Crimea is a part of Ukraine. Occupied by Russia at the moment.
    Its people held against their will. Others being stateless. Or
    being held in Russian gulags.

    The people of Crimea are no better off today than they were before
    Russia forcibly and illegally annexed that part of Ukraine as part
    of Russia.

    I wouldn't want to be a part of Russia but maybe the people of Crimea want that?

    Crimea is not a part of Russia. Had the people of Russian-occupied
    Crimea wanted to move to Russia, they would have done so voluntarily
    long before Russia chose to invade and occupy their land.

    A self-declared stable genius. Of course hindsight is always better
    than foresight. But Trump always did speak warmly of Putin. Even before
    he somehow managed to win the presidency.

    Yes, he took the word of Putin over his own intelligence agencies.

    He did travel to Moscow so he could pee on the bed that Bill Clinton
    slept on. Not that impressed anybody (other than himself).

    First he started by invading Crimea in 2014. Then he continued his war
    by arming separatists in two more provinces of Ukraine. The day before
    his full-scale invasion of Ukraine, Putin unilaterally recognized those
    two areas as independent and separate states.

    I'm not interested in the pronouncements of Putin.

    In doing so, he voided the Minsk 2 Agreements. But then, he never
    had any intention of keeping Russia's commitments to them in the first
    place.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to August Abolins on Sun Mar 27 04:02:08 2022
    Hello August,

    Putin is a psychotic prick.

    Is he? Or is it he simply likes little boys?

    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna13743946


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Mar 26 21:09:58 2022
    The days of the Tsar are over now.

    Not in Putin's mind.

    Yes, but nevertheless, The days of the Tsar are over.

    This is a dream world of times past long ago.

    This is Putin's dream of days to come.

    Those days are over regardless of Putin's dreams.

    Putin views Mother Russia as the bear, and Ukraine as the cub that
    needs to be taught a lesson.

    Symbolism. This is a war not a bear and her cubs.

    All comedy is based on tragedy. An individual slips on a banana
    peel and lands on his butt. We laugh. Even though it is a tragedy.

    I have always thought the best comedy was based on truth.

    Putin finds it funny that a comedian would dare defy his rule.
    And now Putin has found himself the one who has slipped on a banana
    peel. What do you think will be his reaction?

    It must be disbelief. Putin has raised Zelensky to something of a hero. Something that wouldn't have happened if he had not blundered into this war.

    Russia invaded Ukraine and will be expelled at great cost.

    Putin is like a gorilla whose hand won't let go of a coconut
    in the ground. He is incapable of escaping his own predicament.
    But does his opposition have the will to finish what needs to
    be done, or will it have mercy and free him to continue his ways?

    Putin has demonstrated that he has the will. He hasn't faced much in the way of opposition. A few people quit and left Russia and a few others fired and imprisoned. The failure is not their fault but that is the way it works in Russia.

    When the Donald was elected I thought that was a bad idea but I didn't
    realize it would turn out so badly. I hope there will be no more such
    presidents in the USA.

    He could return to haunt us. You know that.

    I don't think so. I was suprised it happened once, it could happen again but I doubt that very much. I worry more about Trump like sorts.

    No, Putin is just about finished.

    What a ridiculous thing to say. Just because Putin is pushing 70 does
    not mean he is "just about finished."

    Is it? I believe that is so. It's not about his age.

    Donald Trump will be a young man of 78 if he is re-elected POTUS in 2024.
    And Joe Biden will only be 82 years young if he wins a second consecutive term in 2024. And do keep in mind that Putin has a six-year term rather than a short four-year term. Plenty of time for him to prepare for the next election.

    I don't think they are counting votes in Russia anymore than the are in Belarus.

    When I say that Putin is done I am not talking about his presidency. I suppose he'll be there until he dies but he is done (or finished) now.

    I don't blame the people of Russia although the events unfolding today are >> being done in the name of Russia. I hope that the people of Russia will
    solve their kleptocracy issues and rejoin the world community at some
    point.

    The majority of Russians know and understand who and what Putin is.

    Yes. It could be difficult, bloody in fact to affect any kind of change. It seems for now the status quo will have to do.

    Although they would prefer a more rational leader, they are unable to
    freely express their views, much less vote for the candidate of their
    choice.

    There is no choice of people or parties in Russia. There just isn't.

    It is fantasy to believe Russia is still a democracy of any
    kind. But people are not stupid. Not nearly as stupid as Putin would
    like to believe.

    Agreed.

    That's a rather tall order but I hope they can do that somehow.

    One day, like all men, Putin will die. And people everywhere around
    the world (not just in Russia) will celebrate.

    That is so.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Alexander Koryagin on Sun Mar 27 00:31:00 2022
    On 03-26-22 19:05, Alexander Koryagin <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Ukraine National Ant <=-

    You are actually say that Putin wants to kill innocent civilian people
    and wipe out Ukraine off the face of the earth. It is a not funny marasmus, and it is totally incorrect.

    It is exactly what he is doing.

    It difficult to say what is more insane - to build a military
    fortified area inside big cities or storming them. But one thing is
    clear -- Mariupol is a Russian speaking city, so the live of its
    citizens are not important to nationalists who has made their houses
    and flats into firing points.

    So what that some people are Russian speaking. It does not make them
    any less important to Ukraine, which is a multilingal country.

    Occupation of Ukraine is not the Putin's aim. His aims are rather political.

    You could fool me -- and the rest of the free world. His actions speak differently.

    The main problem in this conflict, IMHO, is that Putin is so disliked
    by so many people in the world that even if he does good things these things would be perceived negatively anyway.

    And just what good things are he doing?

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Tue Apr 12 10:23:48 2022
    It is a usual thing
    when some radical idiots create havoc in a multinational country -- separatism is inevitable. Russia had a very modest role in this conflict.

    I call that hogwash. We (Belgium) have our radicals too, there have been historical language and economic differences and the international press will jump on it come election time, but no people get killed, some name calling ... a bit like a football game.

    Then last summer when torrential rains devastated one region killing hundreds and leaving tens of thousands homeless, the other language community was the first to respond in such a way that relief organisations asked not to send anything anymore because they couldn't handle the volume of aid (clothing, food...). For months construction workers on their week-ends off went to work there for free to help rebuild ... so where are the Russians helping to rebuild Ukraine? Where are the relief funds? The food? Clothing? The only thing Russia has sent is violence, death, destruction, rape, thieving, wiping out entire cities...

    A small post-office just across the border in Belarus was used to send 2-3 tonnes of looted objects (computers, TVs, household appliances, clothing, ...) a day to somewhere Russia ... stolen by Russian soldiers ... And Belarus is not distrubiting Zelenski-propaganda ... just locals complaining they could not get inside their post-office anymore.

    First of all Ukraine refused to do amnesty for the rebels, make an
    autonomy for the Donbass region. Russia was Donbass people defender but
    it incorrect to say that Russian troops for 8 years have defended
    Donbass. Russian troops entered Donbass this spring.

    On July 17 2014 it was a Russian weapons system operated by a Russian military crew that shot down Malaysia Airlines flight 17. Please do not insult people here by denying, it's an established fact, even the names of the Russian individuals are known. Russian communication systems were (and probably still are) so primative they could be picked-up and recorded ...

    There were already Russian troops in that area and they were taking part in hostilities ...

    Ukrainian nationalist have no pity for Mariupol just because there are
    too many pro Russian people have always lived there. The "defence" of Mariupol in reality is a revenge to its citizens.

    Oh dear ... there's definitely a mall connect in your brain if you truly believe that. Do you make a living distributing this nonsense?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Thu Apr 14 00:33:32 2022
    There isn't much difference. Russia is the nazi regime of today.

    Nazi == ultra-nationalistic. Look for Ukraine.

    Bzzt. Russia is on a nationalistic tac now.

    Russia's invasion of Ukraine is unjust. There is no way to get
    justice from injustice.

    You see only one side of the scene. All the one-side reports are useless
    in this case.

    Oh? What have I missed?

    There is nothing noble or heroic about Russia's invasion of
    Ukraine. There may be parades in Russia but there will be no heroes
    in Russia.

    Russia has already lost.

    What do you mean by it?

    I mean just what I said. There is no justice or anything noble about the invasion. There never was and never will be. When the war is over there will be no heroes heading back to Russia.

    When I say that Russia has already lost I mean simply that. In 60 or so days of war they have not accomplished any of their objectives.

    They have accomplished death and destruction (of civilians and civil infrastructure) on a major scale. Was that the objective?

    All of the propaganda coming out of the kremlin and Russia
    generally. It is a fascist trait.

    It's not a place for freedom I agree. But I repeat that a strong
    propaganda is always based on the true facts and notions.

    The propaganda that comes from the kremlin today is all lies, it's baseless.

    Only in this case it has success. I see in Russia cars wearing "Z".

    I have seen that too. It's shameful.

    I see children with "Z" cut in their haircuts.

    What a mindless attitude. Do you think children know waht "Z" means?

    Why do the civilians in Mariupol need to be defended? Because
    Russia invaded Ukraine?

    I doubt that they needed to be defended at all.

    The young lady we talked about previously would disagree, if she could.

    https://youtu.b/C66mAkS1ZfM?list=PL7dQWce1VEocye4PFXY64yZEgdn7HBdF3

    The time of 2015 is incomparable with the present situation. But at
    least one thing is clear -- Ukraine at that time held a military
    operation in Donbass similar to Russian one today. Well, it was at a
    smaller scale, but it has been continued 8 years.

    In 2015 it is clear to see Russian involvment in the Donbass region and that is why the Ukraine military had to have a military operation there as they do taoday.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Thu Apr 21 04:48:14 2022
    Well, Taiwan is also a breakaway state. So what?

    More fiction, or perhaps delusion.

    Peacekeepers? Hardly. In the final stages of the Transnistrain war
    the Russian military fired on Moldova. Transnistria is still today
    occupied by Russia.

    It is also a historical problem. Moldova changed its borders many times,
    and it so happened historically that on the left side of the Dniester
    live Russian speakers. The plans of Moldova nationalists, when they came
    to power, were similar to those of the Ukrainian ones, and they caused
    the similar havoc, which could perfectly be avoided in case of a sober, balanced policy to all the nations of Moldova.

    Here's a clue for you, Transnistria does not, never did and never will exist.

    The most ugly thing in this conflict that the blame are put on Russia
    only, but those fucking idiots who actually started the havoc are now
    shown as martyrs and poor ones.

    No, Russia is blamed simply for the invasion of Ukraine, and the aftermath.

    It's not rocket science.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Thu Apr 21 14:55:48 2022
    Hello, alexander!

    Thursday April 21 2022 09:28, you wrote to me:

    The opened it when they were ready. It's a stupid thing to start
    a war when you are not ready.

    And the dirty work has not yet done by the USSR. ;) Not telling about

    USSR already did a lot of dirt work when invaded and annexed countries in Eastern Europe.
    Like killing a lot of people there.

    "readiness" of the USSR to fight Germany.

    USSR decided to start war alone. It was Stalin's decision, not something done by US.

    Well, although all this we can do now. ;) The main task Russia to make
    its own powerful electronic industry. Russia lags behind in this

    Impossible. Just impossible. Too difficult for our country. Not enough smart people.
    It's not about telling lies, it's about using brains.

    I still remember soviet modems, it was something very ugly and years behind the West.

    area, its chips, processors are slower, bigger, but they exist and
    work, judging by our missile industry. Who can say that Russian
    military rockets use American chips?

    Xilinx is widely used in our rocket equipment.

    Do Ukrainian troops shell the cities which captured by Russian
    troops?

    Give me names fo the cities to be more specific?

    Well, tell me about ill-fated Bucha, for instance. Russian troops are there -- what are doing Ukrainan troops in this case? Will they throw

    Russians troops that did the most terrible crimes in Europe since Yugoslavian wars?

    bottles of vodka to Russian troops? No, they had used the Grad
    multiple launch systems, and they didn't bother about Russian speaking civilians at all.

    Most of people in Bucha spoke Ukranian. And they didn't use Grad there, just another lie.

    Why civilian victims are ascribed to Russian troops only?
    Because without Russia those people will be still alive.

    The same I can say about fucking Ukraine defenders who "defended"

    And what about fucking soldiers who raped women in Ukraine? Do you like how they behave there?

    those unhappy people from the windows of their flats, without
    necessity at all.

    So you also whant to call Soviet soldiers during WWII who were defending their cities also "fucking"?

    It was Putin who pushed Yanukovich to stop EU integration.

    He hadn't stopped it but only suspended the process, because the conditions of the agreement were non-lucrative for Ukraine. At least

    Conditions were ok, Armenia got the same status, BTW. Puting tried to bribe him again but failed.


    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Oleg Nazaroff on Wed Sep 21 22:48:32 2022
    Oleg,

    You're going to overstep. Nazism will be disposed of completely this
    time. Along with Western armaments.

    So .... how is it going with the uprooting of neo-Nazism in Ukraine? Everything going as planned with the war?

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  • From Bj├╢rn Felten@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Thu Sep 22 07:00:52 2022
    So .... how is it going with the uprooting of neo-Nazism in Ukraine? Everything going as planned with the war?

    The older I get, the more I can see how history repeats itself, and the more sorry I become when I see how few people don't even see it.

    In 2014 it was obvious to me that Putin was using the playbook from a certain Austrian corporal, whose name we are not allowed to mention, because of Godwin. Even if it happened ten years before I was even born, we actually study history here in Sweden. So, the 1938 Austrian Anschluss referendum, with all it's 99+% results...

    Well, now Putin once again is playing the same card that he played in Crimea, this time to Anschluss even more territory. Go figure...



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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Bj├╢rn Felten on Thu Sep 22 07:57:44 2022
    Well, now Putin once again is playing the same card that he played in Crimea, this time to Anschluss even more territory. Go figure...

    What I cannot wrap my mind around is that he can fool a complete population with it ... we have all these modern communication tools.

    I'm very worried about the lack of comments, supportive or rejective, from inside R50 and R45 though the links seem to work ... Is everybody really that scared for reprisals?

    Does anyone overthere really believe the Putin rethoric? I mean the average Russian is not any more brainless than the average European I would suspect...

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Bj?rn Felten on Thu Sep 22 09:44:58 2022
    Hi, Bj?rn Felten!
    I read your message from 22.09.2022 08:00

    BF> In 2014 it was obvious to me that Putin was using the playbook from
    BF> a certain Austrian corporal, whose name we are not allowed to
    BF> mention, because of Godwin. Even if it happened ten years before I
    BF> was even born, we actually study history here in Sweden. So, the
    BF> 1938 Austrian Anschluss referendum, with all it's 99+% results...

    If we speak of was that Anschluss referendum result false or true - we
    should say it had been perfectlty true. People got what they wanted.

    BF> Well, now Putin once again is playing the same card that he played
    BF> in Crimea, this time to Anschluss even more territory. Go figure...

    The mainspring of the conflict was in Kiev in 2014. Ukrainian
    nationalists planed and planing to make Ukrainians from Russians living
    in Ukraine, make them forgot their language, to cut ties with Russia and Russian culture. Such a policy is cynically correct and workable when
    they deal with thousands of people, like Russians in Estonia, for
    instance. But it creates a critical atomic mass when millions of people
    are targeted.

    The doctrine that all people living in Ukraine are Ukrainians is false
    as saying that all people in Estonia are Estonians. Thr west should
    admit it long ago and treat Ukraine as a country of two nations.

    Bye, Bj?rn!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Thu Sep 22 09:58:54 2022
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 22.09.2022 08:57

    BF>> Well, now Putin once again is playing the same card that he
    BF>> played in Crimea, this time to Anschluss even more
    BF>> territory. Go figure...
    WD> What I cannot wrap my mind around is that he can fool a
    WD> complete population with it ... we have all these modern
    WD> communication tools. I'm very worried about the lack of
    WD> comments, supportive or rejective, from inside R50 and R45
    WD> though the links seem to work ... Is everybody really that scared for
    WD> reprisals? Does anyone overthere really believe the Putin rethoric? I
    WD> mean the average Russian is not any more brainless than the average
    WD> European I would suspect...

    I repeat you should not mix up Putin and other issues, especially the nationalistic conflict in Ukraine. Putin is a tyrant, OK, but the
    conflict in Ukraine gives him great points and trust in Russia because
    he positions himself as a defender of the Russian people who is under
    attack in Donbass. He has actually hid himself behind this noble shield.

    The main issue now is that everything that Putin touches becomes
    discredited in the West. No matter what it is. Putin has become a
    bugaboo, and parents scare children with him.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Bj├╢rn Felten@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Thu Sep 22 12:40:32 2022
    I mean the average Russian is not any more brainless than the average European I would suspect...

    It's called indoctrination. I think that after more than a century of that, many of then actually believe the bullshit they are being fed.

    Take for instance the "fact" that they are fed: The Russian army has lost less than 6000 troops while eliminating half of the Ukrainian forces. So, why do they now need more than 300 thousand new troops? Do the fucking maths, Ivan!


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  • From Bj├╢rn Felten@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Thu Sep 22 13:05:00 2022
    The mainspring of the conflict was in Kiev in 2014. Ukrainian
    nationalists planed and planing to make Ukrainians from Russians living
    in Ukraine, make them forgot their language, to cut ties with Russia and Russian culture. Such a policy is cynically correct and workable when
    they deal with thousands of people, like Russians in Estonia, for instance. But it creates a critical atomic mass when millions of people are targeted.

    Surely you do not believe that crap? Do you even know what happened in Ukraine during Stalin's reign? First he stole all the food from Ukraine and shipped it to Moscow, leaving tens of millions of Ukrainians to starve to death.

    Then he made it illegal, punishable by death or deportation to Siberia (the same end result), to speak Ukrainian, only Russian was allowed at school.

    So now, thanks only to a bunch of hard core old-timer's resistance, the Ukrainian culture has been able to slowly be restored.

    So yes, Russian is still the first language for the vast majority of the Ukrainian people. But just as some former English colonies (USA, Canada and Australia) who even went so far as to kidnap indigenous children and put them in so called boarding schools (USA) where thousands of them died, and those that survived were forced to forget all of their indigenous culture, Stalin also failed in his attempt to totally eradicate the original Ukrainian people's culture and language.

    And now, Putin is making a new attempt, picking up where Stalin left.

    And of course, you are not taught at school or later, that Ukraine existed 1000 years before Russia? In fact, Russia is part of Ukraine, historically. I happen to know, because the Swedish Vikings actually founded Kiev and made it one of Europe's biggest cities 1500 years ago, when they used it as a steadily growing trading station on their way to MiklagЖrd (today's Istanbul) via the rivers that ended with the Dnjepr.


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Thu Sep 22 17:47:28 2022
    Alexander,

    The main issue now is that everything that Putin touches becomes discredited in the West. No matter what it is.

    What do you expect? Threatening with nuclear weapons and insisting it is no idle threat ....

    The Ukrainian armed forces have pushed the totality of Russian ground forces back and in places have them running, the Russian air force does not really fly sorties anymore as too many planes and helicopters are shot down, Russia has lost its flagship plus some other vessels ... When Ukrainians are able to do that, don't you think they could have overrun the Donbas separatists with their fingers in their nose if they really wanted to?

    When are you leaving for the front?

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Bj?rn Felten on Fri Sep 23 09:00:22 2022
    Hi Bj?rn Felten!
    I read your message on 22-Sep-2022

    WD>> I mean the average Russian is not any more brainless than the
    WD>> average European I would suspect...

    BF> It's called indoctrination. I think that after more than a century
    BF> of that, many of then actually believe the bullshit they are being
    BF> fed.

    BF> Take for instance the "fact" that they are fed: The Russian army
    BF> has lost less than 6000 troops while eliminating half of the
    BF> Ukrainian forces. So, why do they now need more than 300 thousand
    BF> new troops? Do the fucking maths, Ivan!

    Both sides are lying shamelessly -- a naive youth. You just choose which
    side does it more sweetly for you, and which side you are a fan.
    However, I suspect that Swedes have not been Russian fans since the time
    of Peter the Great. ;)

    Bye Bj?rn!
    Alexander
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Fri Sep 23 21:01:00 2022
    Hello Alexander,

    Well, now Putin once again is playing the same card that he
    played in Crimea, this time to Anschluss even more
    territory. Go figure...
    What I cannot wrap my mind around is that he can fool a
    complete population with it ... we have all these modern
    communication tools. I'm very worried about the lack of
    comments, supportive or rejective, from inside R50 and R45
    though the links seem to work ... Is everybody really that scared for
    reprisals? Does anyone overthere really believe the Putin rethoric? I
    mean the average Russian is not any more brainless than the average
    European I would suspect...

    I repeat you should not mix up Putin and other issues, especially the nationalistic conflict in Ukraine. Putin is a tyrant, OK, but the
    conflict in Ukraine gives him great points and trust in Russia because
    he positions himself as a defender of the Russian people who is under attack in Donbass. He has actually hid himself behind this noble shield.

    The question has been asked -

    When are you leaving for the front?

    Hundreds of thousands of Russians are fleeing Russia. Any which
    way they can. There is a reason why. And that reason is fear. Not
    just any kind of fear, but total fear.

    The main issue now is that everything that Putin touches becomes discredited in the West.

    Russians are being sent to Ukraine. Those Russians are not coming
    back, except in body bags. Putin can no longer hide this from his own
    people because too many Russians are already dead.

    No matter what it is.

    You are being told the "special military operation" is going well
    in Russia. This has been going on for over seven months, with no end
    in sight. Now your leader wants to send an additional 300,000 people,
    most of whom who have had little or no military training, to Ukraine.
    With the possibility of sending up to a million conscripts as cannon
    fodder.

    How many dead Russians will it take for you to realize there is a
    very real possibility you could also be sent to the front?

    Putin has become a bugaboo, and parents scare children with him.

    'PUTIN, THE HAGUE IS WAITING FOR YOU'

    Large banner taped to a tall building in Vilnius, Lithuania

    It is not just Lithuanians who hold Putin to blame for the mess
    in Ukraine. He has been ostracized in the United Nations the past
    few days, and for good reason.

    So many Russians are fleeing Russia that Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia,
    and Poland have all banned Russian tourists. And Finland threatening
    to do the same, due to the number of Russians with visas.

    It is strange to ban people from Russia. Especially those trying
    to flee from a madman intent on sending whoever he can find to Ukraine.

    Escaping enlistment is not grounds for asylum. Protest and get sent
    to the front, total fear. Russia today is one giant prison.

    The prime minister of Lithuania explained the situation quite
    clearly the other day, saying it was "not the duty of other countries
    to save Russia fleeing mobilisation."

    So please. Do not blame everything on the West for discrediting
    everything that Putin says or does.

    After all, Canada and New Zealand came to the rescue for Americans
    who fled the draft during the Vietnam War.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Fri Sep 23 21:01:20 2022
    Hello Alexander,

    [..]

    I repeat you should not mix up Putin and other issues, especially the nationalistic conflict in Ukraine. Putin is a tyrant, OK, but the
    conflict in Ukraine gives him great points and trust in Russia because
    he positions himself as a defender of the Russian people who is under attack in Donbass. He has actually hid himself behind this noble shield.

    Why are so many Russians leaving Russia? Hundreds of thousands have
    left just in the past few months, with no intent of returning to Russia. Certainly there has to be a reason.

    The main issue now is that everything that Putin touches becomes discredited in the West. No matter what it is. Putin has become a
    bugaboo, and parents scare children with him.

    Russians leaving Russia are not blaming the West, but their own
    president. None of them want to be sent to the front to fight a
    senseless war that benefits no one. So why stay?

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Fri Sep 23 21:01:46 2022
    Hello Ward,

    The main issue now is that everything that Putin touches becomes
    discredited in the West. No matter what it is.

    What do you expect? Threatening with nuclear weapons and insisting it is no
    idle threat ....

    US President Harry Truman atomized two Japanese cities, showing
    the world using such weapons was no idle threat. General Curtis LeMay
    wanted Truman to go further by atomizing cities in the USSR.

    The Ukrainian armed forces have pushed the totality of Russian ground forces
    back and in places have them running, the Russian air force does not really
    fly sorties anymore as too many planes and helicopters are shot down, Russia has lost its flagship plus some other vessels ... When Ukrainians are able to do that, don't you think they could have overrun the Donbas separatists with their fingers in their nose if they really wanted to?

    A nuclear-armed Ukraine would have put an end to Putin's misrule.
    And also millions of innocent lives in Russia. And maybe that was
    why Putin ordered his "special military operation" - to rid Ukraine
    of its nuclear weapons program (before it had developed real nukes).

    When are you leaving for the front?

    Over 300,000 Russians have fled Russia, many of them using their
    visas to make Finland their new home. Others have continued onward
    to Sweden, and beyond. Maybe some have become your new neigbbors
    in Belgium ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Alexander Koryagin on Fri Sep 23 12:37:36 2022
    The mainspring of the conflict was in Kiev in 2014. Ukrainian

    That was a popular uprising.

    https://tinyurl.com/2a7nw9mz

    In all your verbiage you didn't mention the invasion by Russia on Feb. 24th. That is the mainspring of where we are today.

    nationalists planed and planing to make Ukrainians from Russians living
    in Ukraine, make them forgot their language, to cut ties with Russia and Russian culture.

    That is not true, it is yet another talking point.

    The doctrine that all people living in Ukraine are Ukrainians is false
    as saying that all people in Estonia are Estonians. Thr west should
    admit it long ago and treat Ukraine as a country of two nations.

    The people of Ukraine are free to be who/what they want to be. I don't think they want to be Ruzzian.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Bj├╢rn Felten on Sat Sep 24 17:48:36 2022
    Hello BjФrn,

    So .... how is it going with the uprooting of neo-Nazism in Ukraine?
    Everything going as planned with the war?

    The older I get, the more I can see how history repeats itself, and the more
    sorry I become when I see how few people don't even see it.

    Europe is turning to the right. Not just a little bit, but full tilt.
    Spain, France, Austria, Switzerland, Hungary, Poland, England, Denmark,
    and many others. Finland almost joined the ranks, and Sweden just made
    the list a week ago.

    On Sunday there will be elections in Italy. And the favorite to become
    prime minister is Giorgia Meloni, a 45-year-old woman representing a
    far-right party that is expected to win an outright majority of seats.

    Imagine that. Italy's 70th government since 1946, being led by a woman,
    the female version of Il Duce. Maybe she will call herself La Douche.

    In any event, this is getting to be just like old times. The only
    thing left is for Germany to find its new Fuehrer ...

    In 2014 it was obvious to me that Putin was using the playbook from a certain Austrian corporal, whose name we are not allowed to mention, because of Godwin.

    You don't understand. In 2014, Putin carved out his own version of
    Kuwait and annexed it as part of Russia.

    More recently, Putin borrowed an idea from the GWB playbook, using
    a pre-emptive first strike in order to bring about regime change in
    Iraq.

    It took the USA ten years to learn that Iraq was not worth the effort.
    And twenty years to learn that Afghanistan was not worth the effort.

    I wonder how long it will take Putin to figure things out?

    Even if it happened ten years before I was even born, we actually study history here in Sweden. So, the 1938 Austrian Anschluss referendum, with all it's 99+% results...

    The one redeeming quality the Austrian corporal had was bringing
    Russians and Ukrainians together ...

    Well, now Putin once again is playing the same card that he played in Crimea, this time to Anschluss even more territory. Go figure...

    Well, he is bringing both sides to the same field of battle ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Bj├╢rn Felten on Sat Sep 24 17:48:44 2022
    Hello BjФrn,

    I mean the average Russian is not any more brainless than the average
    European I would suspect...

    It's called indoctrination. I think that after more than a century of that,
    many of then actually believe the bullshit they are being fed.

    Poland ceased to exist for 400 years. And yet Poles have managed to
    retain their own language, religion, and culture, as well as recreate
    their own country.

    Take for instance the "fact" that they are fed: The Russian army has lost less than 6000 troops while eliminating half of the Ukrainian forces. So, why do they now need more than 300 thousand new troops? Do the fucking maths, Ivan!

    "All comedy is based on tragedy." ~William Shakespeare

    Perhaps Putin forgot that Zelensky is a professional comedian?

    For Life,
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Sep 26 09:29:08 2022
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 23.09.2022 22:01

    ak>> I repeat you should not mix up Putin and other issues, especially
    ak>> the nationalistic conflict in Ukraine. Putin is a tyrant, OK, but
    ak>> the conflict in Ukraine gives him great points and trust in Russia
    ak>> because he positions himself as a defender of the Russian people
    ak>> who is under attack in Donbass. He has actually hid himself behind
    ak>> this noble shield.

    LL> The question has been asked -
    LL> When are you leaving for the front?

    When Ukrainian students, women and pensioners will be drafted -- you
    probably get the answer on your question. ;=)

    LL> Hundreds of thousands of Russians are fleeing Russia. Any which way
    LL> they can. There is a reason why. And that reason is fear. Not just
    LL> any kind of fear, but total fear.

    Well, IMHO its a lie in general - first, Russians are now prohibited to
    get in Europe, second Baltic states and Finland have already refused to
    accept those who run from the draft. They are afraid of Russians in
    general, it is a mental illness, probably.

    LL> Russians are being sent to Ukraine. Those Russians are not coming
    LL> back, except in body bags. Putin can no longer hide this from his
    LL> own people because too many Russians are already dead.

    The only reason why so many Russians support Putin today is that Ukraine
    holds Nazi policy in eastern Ukraine since 2014. Nazism and Russians are incompatible, and many Russians are ready to fight to the end. Putin
    uses the situation as a shield.

    LL> You are being told the "special military operation" is going well
    LL> in Russia. This has been going on for over seven months, with no
    LL> end in sight. Now your leader wants to send an additional 300,000
    LL> people, most of whom who have had little or no military training,
    LL> to Ukraine. With the possibility of sending up to a million
    LL> conscripts as cannon fodder.

    This situations has no other options after Zelensky declared
    mobilization in Ukraine. He could solve the problem without it, but he preferred to throw into the war furnace millions of Ukrainians and he
    feels himself Napoleon. Whereas there is no reason for such a war at
    all. Zelensky and nationalists are stubborn as rams.

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alan Ianson on Mon Sep 26 09:31:42 2022
    Hi, Alan Ianson!
    I read your message from 23.09.2022 22:37

    ??>>> The mainspring of the conflict was in Kiev in 2014.
    ??>>> Ukrainian
    AI> That was a popular uprising.

    So was the storm of Capitol? Why does the US law persecute them?

    Bye, Alan!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Sun Sep 25 23:37:44 2022
    That was a popular uprising.

    So was the storm of Capitol? Why does the US law persecute them?

    That was not a poular uprising. They are not persecuted they are prosecuted.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dale Shipp on Mon Sep 26 09:41:28 2022
    Hi, Dale Shipp!
    I read your message from 24.09.2022 02:28

    AK>> Nationality is not a gene or place factor. Nationality is how a
    AK>> person thinks, speaks, what books he reads, what songs he sings.
    AK>> To reformat forcefully people to new nationality is a crime.
    AK>> People in a free country should choose themselves, without fines
    AK>> and repression.

    DS> You are confusing Nationality and culture. Nationality is based on
    DS> the nation in which you live.

    If a person moved to another country - he changed his nationality? ;-)
    If a Jew moves to Finland he becomes a Finn?

    Bye, Dale!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Mon Sep 26 14:12:34 2022
    Russians are now prohibited to
    get in Europe, second Baltic states and Finland have already refused to accept those who run from the draft. They are afraid of Russians in general, it is a mental illness, probably.

    That is slightly incorrect, to use an understatement.

    Several EU-countries, mine too, have declared that draft-dodgers are not welcome, will not get visa, not even for humanitarian reasons.

    The reasons are simple:

    1) None of these people lifted a finger against the illegal invasion and the war in Ukraine until they felt the heat themselves. Clean up your own mess at home. If all the disgusted flee, only the disgusting remain.

    2) Russians fleeing Russia to dodge the draft do not constitute a humanitarian crisis. Ukrainians whom fled Ukraine to run from a war and to save themselves "do" constitute a humanitarian crisis. They are true refugees and are helped here. Millions have fled and are warmly welcomed, they are helped, sheltered, fed, they take part in local social life, are helped to find a job to support themselves until they can return ... if they so wish. Complete emergency villages with all utilities have been built ... children are learning the language and go to school here.

    3) Taking in Russian draft dodgers would be an insult towards the Ukrainian refugess. Russian draft-dodgers are not refugees according to the UN Convention. The European budget is not going to pay for millions of draft dodgers.

    Russians can still apply for visa.

    Zelensky and nationalists are stubborn as rams.

    Russia invaded a peaceful member of the international society and in doing so violated the UN Charter of which it is a subscriber bound to its wording.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alan Ianson on Tue Sep 27 08:20:26 2022
    Hi, Alan Ianson!
    I read your message from 26.09.2022 09:37

    AI>>> That was a popular uprising.
    ak>> So was the storm of the Capitol? Why does the US law persecute them?
    AI> That was not a poular uprising. They are not persecuted they are
    AI> prosecuted.

    What the difference between the storm of the Capital and Kiev events in
    2014?

    Bye, Alan!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Alexander Koryagin on Tue Sep 27 00:45:02 2022
    On 09-26-22 09:41, Alexander Koryagin <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Ukraine National Ant <=-

    You are confusing Nationality and culture. Nationality is based on
    the nation in which you live.

    If a person moved to another country - he changed his nationality? ;-)

    Only if he declares that new country to be his permanent residence and
    loyalty. If an American moves to England for a job for a few years,
    they do not become British but remain as American. But if they move to
    England and declare that to be their new loyalty, then they become
    British.

    If a Jew moves to Finland he becomes a Finn?

    You have again confused nationality and culture. Being a Jew is not a nationality. The best answer to your question is yes, they become a
    Finn but they are also still a Jew.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Tue Sep 27 09:12:52 2022
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 26.09.2022 15:12

    ak>> Russians are now prohibited to get in Europe, second Baltic states
    ak>> and Finland have already refused to accept those who run from the
    ak>> draft. They are afraid of Russians in general, it is a mental
    ak>> illness, probably.

    WD> That is slightly incorrect, to use an understatement.

    WD> Several EU-countries, mine too, have declared that draft-dodgers
    WD> are not welcome, will not get visa, not even for humanitarian
    WD> reasons.

    WD> The reasons are simple:

    WD> 1) None of these people lifted a finger against the illegal
    WD> invasion and the war in Ukraine until they felt the heat
    WD> themselves. Clean up your own mess at home. If all the disgusted
    WD> flee, only the disgusting remain.

    WD> 2) Russians fleeing Russia to dodge the draft do not constitute a
    WD> humanitarian crisis. Ukrainians whom fled Ukraine to run from a war
    WD> and to save themselves "do" constitute a humanitarian crisis. They
    WD> are true refugees and are helped here. Millions have fled and are
    WD> warmly welcomed, they are helped, sheltered, fed, they take part in
    WD> local social life, are helped to find a job to support themselves
    WD> until they can return... if they so wish. Complete emergency
    WD> villages with all utilities have been built... children are
    WD> learning the language and go to school here.

    WD> 3) Taking in Russian draft dodgers would be an insult towards the
    WD> Ukrainian refugess. Russian draft-dodgers are not refugees
    WD> according to the UN Convention. The European budget is not going to
    WD> pay for millions of draft dodgers.

    WD> Russians can still apply for visa.

    Are you a counsel for the defence? ;-)

    ak>> Zelensky and nationalists are stubborn as rams.

    WD> Russia invaded a peaceful member of the international society and
    WD> in doing so violated the UN Charter of which it is a subscriber
    WD> bound to its wording.

    A peaceful state doesn't fight with its citizens for 8 years.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dale Shipp on Tue Sep 27 09:20:58 2022
    Hi, Dale Shipp!
    I read your message from 27.09.2022 00:45

    DS>> You are confusing Nationality and culture. Nationality is based on
    DS>> the nation in which you live.

    AK>> If a person moved to another country - he changed his
    AK>> nationality? ;-)

    DS> Only if he declares that new country to be his permanent residence
    DS> and loyalty. If an American moves to England for a job for a few
    DS> years, they do not become British but remain as American. But if
    DS> they move to England and declare that to be their new loyalty, then
    DS> they become British.

    Who are Scotts and the the Welsh in the UK?

    AK>> If a Jew moves to Finland he becomes a Finn?

    DS> You have again confused nationality and culture. Being a Jew is not
    DS> a nationality. The best answer to your question is yes, they become
    DS> a Finn but they are also still a Jew.

    Jew is not nationality! A new word in horsed aviation, as we put it in
    Russia.


    Bye, Dale!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Tue Sep 27 00:05:32 2022
    What the difference between the storm of the Capital and Kiev events in
    2014?

    In Kyiv in 2014 the people of Ukraine spoke, they did what they wanted/needed to do.

    It was not the people speaking at the capitol on Jan 6, 2021, it was a group of MAGA trumpists supported by right wing groups like the proud boys trying to
    overturn the results of the election. They were acting against the people.

    Big difference.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Tue Sep 27 09:08:54 2022
    Alexander,

    Russians can still apply for visa.

    Are you a counsel for the defence? ;-)

    Next year April I'm co-organiser of a world-cup acrobatic gymnastics. We'll see how many visas will be issued. If that works, then try to get here with overland borders closed and the only flights are via Istanbul, Abu Dhabi, Doha and Dubai.

    A peaceful state doesn't fight with its citizens for 8 years.

    Russia/USSR has been fighting its citizens since 'forever'.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Tue Sep 27 09:37:14 2022
    Alexander,

    Who are Scotts and the the Welsh in the UK?

    The Scotts and the Welsh in the European Union felt that they should be given a greater voice in European decision-making. That is why the European Committee of the Regions was established under the Maastricht Treaty, and Member States were allowed to be represented in the Council of the EU by ministers from their regional governments.

    Scotland and Wales in recent years have not started separatist wars nor have they shot down innocent civilian airliners.

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Alan Ianson on Tue Sep 27 07:47:00 2022
    Alan Ianson wrote to alexander koryagin <=-

    What the difference between the storm of the Capital and Kiev events in 2014?

    In Kyiv in 2014 the people of Ukraine spoke, they did what they wanted/needed to do.

    It was not the people speaking at the capitol on Jan 6, 2021, it
    was a group of MAGA trumpists supported by right wing groups like
    the proud boys trying to overturn the results of the election.
    They were acting against the people.

    Spoken like a good little liberal dog.

    Your masters have trained you well, and you've memorized the mandatory
    talking points (and can regurgitate them on command). Good job.



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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Dan Clough on Tue Sep 27 11:06:54 2022
    What the difference between the storm of the Capital and Kiev events in
    2014?

    In Kyiv in 2014 the people of Ukraine spoke, they did what they
    wanted/needed to do.

    It was not the people speaking at the capitol on Jan 6, 2021, it
    was a group of MAGA trumpists supported by right wing groups like
    the proud boys trying to overturn the results of the election.
    They were acting against the people.

    Spoken like a good little liberal dog.

    Please don't get emotional, Dan.

    Your masters have trained you well, and you've memorized the mandatory talking points (and can regurgitate them on command). Good job.

    I have no master. I am free to speak my thoughts and opinions, can you?

    What do you think happened on Jan 6?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Dan Clough on Tue Sep 27 12:05:34 2022
    I actually starting typing a response to Alan's question, but then realized..... it would just be more time wasted. Not worth the effort.

    Your original reply was just as worthless.

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Tue Sep 27 14:22:14 2022
    On 27 Sep 22 11:06:54, Alan Ianson said the following to Dan Clough:

    What do you think happened on Jan 6?

    You first went to the bathroom to change your feminine protection before returning to the keyboard to whine loudly in the Politics echo once again about how Trump affects your daily life as a Canadian.

    Nick

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Nick Andre on Tue Sep 27 11:49:22 2022
    What do you think happened on Jan 6?

    You first went to the bathroom to change your feminine protection before returning to the keyboard to whine loudly in the Politics echo once again about how Trump affects your daily life as a Canadian.

    More emotional blah blah blah.

    That was a simple/serious question. What do you think happened on Jan 6?

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Nick Andre on Tue Sep 27 13:55:00 2022
    Nick Andre wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    On 27 Sep 22 11:06:54, Alan Ianson said the following to Dan
    Clough:

    What do you think happened on Jan 6?

    You first went to the bathroom to change your feminine protection
    before returning to the keyboard to whine loudly in the Politics
    echo once again about how Trump affects your daily life as a
    Canadian.

    <cleaning coffee from keyboard>

    HAR! Spot on, perfect.

    I actually starting typing a response to Alan's question, but then realized..... it would just be more time wasted. Not worth the effort.



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Wed Sep 28 02:58:20 2022
    Hello Alexander,

    You are confusing Nationality and culture. Nationality is based on
    the nation in which you live.

    If a person moved to another country - he changed his
    nationality? ;-)

    The USA does not recognize dual citizenship (except for those
    from Vatican City and Israel).

    Edward Snowden moved to Russia. And was granted full Russian
    citizen by Vladimir Putin. Edward Snowden claims he has not, and
    will not, relinquish his US citizenship. So what nationality is
    Edward Snowden?

    Only if he declares that new country to be his permanent residence
    and loyalty. If an American moves to England for a job for a few
    years, they do not become British but remain as American. But if
    they move to England and declare that to be their new loyalty, then
    they become British.

    Who are Scotts and the the Welsh in the UK?

    Scots are rulers of Scotland. Welsh are the real rulers of Wales,
    as even Charles III knows from having to recite his oath in Welsh
    in order to become king.

    If a Jew moves to Finland he becomes a Finn?

    You have again confused nationality and culture. Being a Jew is not
    a nationality. The best answer to your question is yes, they become
    a Finn but they are also still a Jew.

    Jew is not nationality! A new word in horsed aviation, as we put it in Russia.

    The Wandering Jew can be whatever nationality he/she wants ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Wed Sep 28 02:58:28 2022
    Hello Ward,

    Who are Scotts and the the Welsh in the UK?

    The Scotts and the Welsh in the European Union felt that they should be given a greater voice in European decision-making. That is why the European
    Committee of the Regions was established under the Maastricht Treaty, and Member States were allowed to be represented in the Council of the EU by ministers from their regional governments.

    Scots were the reason why Roman soldiers were never able to occupy
    Scotland. Hence the need to build Hadrian's Wall, which still stands
    today.

    Scotland and Wales in recent years have not started separatist wars nor have
    they shot down innocent civilian airliners.

    Scotland will go its own way when Charles III abdicates.
    So will Wales, as the real Prince of Wales claims his rightful
    title as King.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Alexander Koryagin on Wed Sep 28 00:24:02 2022
    On 09-27-22 09:20, Alexander Koryagin <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Ukraine National Ant <=-

    Who are Scotts and the the Welsh in the UK?

    Their nationality is British, their culture is Scotish and Welsh.

    If a Jew moves to Finland he becomes a Finn?

    You have again confused nationality and culture. Being a Jew is not
    a nationality. The best answer to your question is yes, they become
    a Finn but they are also still a Jew.

    Jew is not nationality!

    DUH -- that is what I said.

    A new word in horsed aviation, as we put it in Russia.

    That makes no sense to me. Try again.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alan Ianson on Wed Sep 28 09:36:58 2022
    Hi Alan Ianson!
    I read your message on 28-Sep-2022

    ak>> What the difference between the storm of the Capitol and Kiev
    ak>> events in 2014?

    AI> In Kyiv in 2014 the people of Ukraine spoke, they did what they
    AI> wanted/needed to do.

    What what did Americans? ж-)

    AI> It was not the people speaking at the capitol on Jan 6, 2021, it
    AI> was a group of MAGA trumpists supported by right wing groups like
    AI> the proud boys trying to overturn the results of the election. They
    AI> were acting against the people.
    AI> Big difference.

    So it was an extremest "group" in Kiev in 2014. The difference was that Yanukovich allowed them to do havoc hoping to get peace by negotiations.

    Bye Alan!
    Alexander
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Wed Sep 28 09:51:50 2022
    Hi Ward Dossche!
    I read your message on 28-Sep-2022

    WD> Scotland and Wales in recent years have not started separatist wars
    WD> nor have they shot down innocent civilian airliners.

    You pretend not to see obvious things -- the war in Ukraine had been
    started when Ukraininan troops moved to eastern, Russian speaking part
    of Ukraine. No peaceful solution had been taken, because those who
    captured power in Kiev had only one way of acting - violence. As for the plane, Ukraine had much more gains from it. Rebels had no reason to shot
    down the plane which flew to the Russian border.

    Bye Ward!
    Alexander
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Sep 28 10:18:10 2022
    Hi Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message on 28-Sep-2022

    AK>>>> If a person moved to another country - he changed his
    AK>>>> nationality? ;-)

    LL> The USA does not recognize dual citizenship (except for those from
    LL> Vatican City and Israel).

    LL> Edward Snowden moved to Russia. And was granted full Russian
    LL> citizen by Vladimir Putin. Edward Snowden claims he has not, and
    LL> will not, relinquish his US citizenship. So what nationality is
    LL> Edward Snowden?

    I strogly believe that a person should define his nationality himself.
    Paper or other documents mean little. And vice versa, if a person
    doesn't recognize that he is, for instance, a Russian -- it means he is
    not a Russian.

    Bye Lee!
    Alexander
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Wed Sep 28 00:17:50 2022
    In Kyiv in 2014 the people of Ukraine spoke, they did what they
    wanted/needed to do.

    What what did Americans? к-)

    Those at the capital that day were extremists led the by Donald Trump.

    It was not the people speaking at the capitol on Jan 6, 2021, it
    was a group of MAGA trumpists supported by right wing groups like
    the proud boys trying to overturn the results of the election. They
    were acting against the people.
    Big difference.

    So it was an extremest "group" in Kiev in 2014. The difference was that Yanukovich allowed them to do havoc hoping to get peace by negotiations.

    No, it was not an extremist group in Kyiv. It was the people. Yanukovich knew his position was not popular with the people but he went forward with it anyway and look where it got him.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dale Shipp on Wed Sep 28 10:27:12 2022
    Hi Dale Shipp!
    I read your message on 28-Sep-2022

    AK>> Who are Scotts and the the Welsh in the UK?
    DS> Their nationality is British, their culture is Scotish and Welsh.

    British nationality IMHO is artificial, as was "Soviet people". And in
    the world too, a person from London is rather an Englishman from England
    than a Briton.

    Bye Dale!
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Sep 28 08:56:08 2022
    Who are Scotts and the the Welsh in the UK?

    Scots are rulers of Scotland. Welsh are the real rulers of Wales,
    as even Charles III knows from having to recite his oath in Welsh
    in order to become king.

    Charles recited it in Welsh because he speaks the language fluent, he did so because he could, not because he "had to". He was, up until that point, the Prince of Wales.

    Lilybet never spoke Welsh, never recited the oath in Welsh ... she even never went to school.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Sep 28 09:27:50 2022
    Scots were the reason why Roman soldiers were never able to occupy Scotland. Hence the need to build Hadrian's Wall, which still stands
    today.

    That is a misconception, just as the Chinese wall is.

    Only portions remain with large gaps in between and it doesn't exactly "stand" ... here and there section remain in the hills ... A lot of it was recycled in construction. The average height originally being just 12 feet, 4 meters.

    Hadrian's wall was not an impregnable fortification. the Scotts just walked past it as they saw fit. It served as toll gates and military was only useful to slow down an attacking force .... As the Scotts were a tribal people without unified structure in those days, they never could assemble a real army.

    The same with the Chinese wall which is not one continuous big construction but only has sections where it was expected that an attacking force could move.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Wed Sep 28 10:39:00 2022
    Alexander,

    As for the
    plane, Ukraine had much more gains from it. Rebels had no reason to shot down the plane which flew to the Russian border.

    The shrapnel taken from the bodies of the cockpit crew removes all doubt of "what" it is that brought the plane down ... and Ukraine did not possess that weapon.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Wed Sep 28 10:44:56 2022
    What the difference between the storm of the Capitol and Kiev
    events in 2014?

    In Kyiv in 2014 the people of Ukraine spoke, they did what they
    wanted/needed to do.

    What what did Americans? ж-)

    I think you need to understand the American electoral system to fully understand the intended meaning of the events on Jan.6th 2021 in Washington DC... and I call upon my American friends here to correct me where I'm wrong.

    The American electoral system is timed by law ...

    An election for president of the United States happens every four years on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November. That is to say, that day the electoral college is elected.

    That electoral college then votes. Since the mid-20th century, Congress has met in a Joint Session every four years on January 6 at 1:00 p.m. to tally votes in the Electoral College. The sitting Vice President presides over the meeting and opens the votes from each state in alphabetical order.

    Odd occasions sometimes happen on that January 6th as in 2001 Al Gore, who was a presidential candidate, announced the election of his opponent.

    Back to 2021 ... there was a carefully planned strategy by groups of citizens (the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, ...) to converge on Washington on January 6th. I have Republican friends in Montana and in group they booked airplane trips to Washington DC. They sent around videos and photos while in flight Jan.5th and I think no-one realised this was going to be just more than some banner waving and shouting of slogans.

    Steve Bannon had previously said on January 5th that "all hell is going to break loose tomorrow". It did.

    At the time of the storming of the Capitol, Trump was holding a speech at the Elipse, some 2.5km away and ordered his driver to take him to the Cqpitol. The driver refused explaining he had no authority upon which Trump attacked the driver.

    The intention clearly was to arrive by the Capitol, by 1pm, when the mob of thousands were storming it. The Capitol police were already overwhelmed and now suddenly would have to protect the President. Trump could climb the stairs, address the crowd, most likely intending to enter the House of Representatives' chambers or the Senate and declare himself to be the winner of the presidential election ... it was intended to be no less than a violent overthrow of a democratic process and planned at the White House evidence suggests Dec.18th...

    It did not work because of 2 people:

    1. A very courageous driver of the Presidential limousine
    2. Vice-president Pence who refused to cooperate ... Trump had said he should be hanged and the mob that stormed the Capitol actually planned that.

    The rest is history.

    Now, please, in as much detail, please explain to me what happened in 2014 and how this in any way compares to January 6th 2021...

    Have a nice day trying.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Wed Sep 28 13:09:58 2022
    Hi Ward Dossche!
    I read your message on 28-Sep-2022

    ak>> As for the plane, Ukraine had much more gains from it. Rebels had
    ak>> no reason to shot down the plane which flew to the Russian border.

    WD> The shrapnel taken from the bodies of the cockpit crew removes all
    WD> doubt of "what" it is that brought the plane down... and Ukraine
    WD> did not possess that weapon.

    In reality, Ukraine has had the same anti-aircraft BUK missles as Russia
    has (made in the USSR, BTW). And there are many facts that Ukrainian
    BUKs were in Donbass at that time -- because Ukrainians publicly claimed
    that Russian planes violated their airspace.

    Bye Ward!
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Wed Sep 28 13:53:10 2022
    Alexander,

    The shrapnel taken from the bodies of the cockpit crew removes all ak>WD> doubt of "what" it is that brought the plane down... and Ukraine
    did not possess that weapon.

    In reality, Ukraine has had the same anti-aircraft BUK missles as Russia has (made in the USSR, BTW). And there are many facts that Ukrainian
    BUKs were in Donbass at that time -- because Ukrainians publicly claimed that Russian planes violated their airspace.

    Bollocks.

    The downing of MH17 has been scientifically attributed to a Russian BUK operated from within the Russian controlled space of the Donbas, incl. radar tracking of the missile, satellite photos, intercepted radio-communications, wreckage fragments, autopsies, ...

    Russia's denial is as sickening as the whole Ukrainian events since Feb of this year...

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Thu Sep 29 10:42:54 2022
    Hi Ward Dossche!
    I read your message on 29-Sep-2022

    WD>>> The shrapnel taken from the bodies of the cockpit crew removes
    WD>>> all doubt of "what" it is that brought the plane down... and
    WD>>> Ukraine did not possess that weapon.
    ak>> In reality, Ukraine has had the same anti-aircraft BUK missles as
    ak>> Russia has (made in the USSR, BTW). And there are many facts that
    ak>> Ukrainian BUKs were in Donbass at that time -- because Ukrainians
    ak>> publicly claimed that Russian planes violated their airspace.

    WD> Bollocks.

    WD> The downing of MH17 has been scientifically attributed to a Russian
    WD> BUK operated from within the Russian controlled space of the
    WD> Donbas, incl. radar tracking of the missile, satellite photos,
    WD> intercepted radio-communications, wreckage fragments, autopsies,...

    Whose radars did track that missile? It looks like a fairy tale.
    Ukrainian side didn't have such recordings, Russia provided its own
    radar data which was ignored by the court. Whose radars do constanly
    observe Russia? Aliens? Satellite photos were not presented in court.
    As for the radio-communications they belonged to those people who could
    not have a reliable information. They heard that some plane was downed
    and very gladly boasted to each other that another fucking Ukrainian
    military plane had been downed.

    Bye Ward!
    Alexander
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Thu Sep 29 11:17:22 2022
    Hi Ward Dossche!
    I read your message on 29-Sep-2022

    ak>>>> What the difference between the storm of the Capitol and Kiev
    ak>>>> events in 2014?
    AI>>> In Kyiv in 2014 the people of Ukraine spoke, they did what they
    AI>>> wanted/needed to do.
    ak>> What what did Americans? ж-)

    WD> I think you need to understand the American electoral system to
    WD> fully understand the intended meaning of the events on Jan.6th 2021
    WD> in Washington DC... and I call upon my American friends here to
    WD> correct me where I'm wrong.

    WD> The American electoral system is timed by law...

    WD> An election for president of the United States happens every four
    WD> years on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November. That
    WD> is to say, that day the electoral college is elected.

    WD> That electoral college then votes. Since the mid-20th century,
    WD> Congress has met in a Joint Session every four years on January 6
    WD> at 1:00 p.m. to tally votes in the Electoral College. The sitting
    WD> Vice President presides over the meeting and opens the votes from
    WD> each state in alphabetical order.

    WD> Odd occasions sometimes happen on that January 6th as in 2001 Al
    WD> Gore, who was a presidential candidate, announced the election of
    WD> his opponent.

    WD> Back to 2021... there was a carefully planned strategy by groups of
    WD> citizens (the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers,...) to converge on
    WD> Washington on January 6th. I have Republican friends in Montana and
    WD> in group they booked airplane trips to Washington DC. They sent
    WD> around videos and photos while in flight Jan.5th and I think no-one
    WD> realised this was going to be just more than some banner waving and
    WD> shouting of slogans.

    WD> Steve Bannon had previously said on January 5th that "all hell is
    WD> going to break loose tomorrow". It did.

    WD> At the time of the storming of the Capitol, Trump was holding a
    WD> speech at the Elipse, some 2.5km away and ordered his driver to
    WD> take him to the Cqpitol. The driver refused explaining he had no
    WD> authority upon which Trump attacked the driver.

    WD> The intention clearly was to arrive by the Capitol, by 1pm, when
    WD> the mob of thousands were storming it. The Capitol police were
    WD> already overwhelmed and now suddenly would have to protect the
    WD> President. Trump could climb the stairs, address the crowd, most
    WD> likely intending to enter the House of Representatives' chambers or
    WD> the Senate and declare himself to be the winner of the presidential
    WD> election... it was intended to be no less than a violent overthrow
    WD> of a democratic process and planned at the White House evidence
    WD> suggests Dec.18th...

    WD> It did not work because of 2 people:
    WD> 1. A very courageous driver of the Presidential limousine 2. Vice-
    WD> president Pence who refused to cooperate... Trump had said he
    WD> should be hanged and the mob that stormed the Capitol actually
    WD> planned that.

    WD> Now, please, in as much detail, please explain to me what happened
    WD> in 2014 and how this in any way compares to January 6th 2021...
    WD> Have a nice day trying.

    What did they do? They built a military camp in Kiev center, blocked the Ukrainian parliament and allowed to get in only those people who
    supported their claims to oust Yanukovuch. There was fierce fighting
    with the police. In the US, in such a case, the police for sure would
    have used automatic weapon to disperse the crowd. That's why the US
    position was cynical form the start. The US threated Yanikovich with
    sanctions if he dare to disperse the crowd by force.

    In the day when a peaceful agreement (to stop violence) had been
    achieved (with the western and Russia mediation) this crowd had stormed
    the Ukrainian president palace and forced Yanukovich to flee. It was a classical unlawful coup, Then, those who were allowed in parliament
    issued a law to oust Yanukovich as President.

    You probably know that Yanukovich won elections supported in (then)
    Ukrainian Crimea, southern and eastern areas -- all these areas had not accepted the coup and refused to obey the new Kiev authority. That was a
    start of the present day havoc.

    Bye Ward!
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Thu Sep 29 18:44:18 2022
    Alexander,

    It was a classical unlawful coup,

    Any coup is declared unlawful by the ones being removed from power.

    Do not forget, one side's terrorists are the other side's freedom fighters.

    You probably know that Yanukovich won elections supported in (then) Ukrainian Crimea, southern and eastern areas -- all these areas had not accepted the coup and refused to obey the new Kiev authority. That was a start of the present day havoc.

    I know that Yanukovich won the 2010 elections ... that's 12 years ago.

    If I read up on events there was a desire by Ukrainians, also the ones that voted for him, to position Ukraine closer to the EU. The shit started hitting the fan when Yanukovich turned to Moscow instead.

    The Ukrainians knew very well what a regime under the wing of the Kremlin, as a vassal state like Belarus, would be and made it clear that they did not want that, not even those who voted for the man.

    Yanukovich fled the country for Moscow on February 21, 2014.

    One day later, on the 22nd, the Ukrainian parliament voted to remove him from his post on the grounds that he "has restrained himself from performing his constitutional duties" and effectively as such resigned .

    On June 18th 2015, Yanukovich was officially deprived of the title of president by the parliament.

    In polls conducted since his departure from office he is regarded
    as one of the worst presidents in Ukrainian history

    All that is "historical fact" and widely documented and I don't understand how the minds of people in Russia could have become infested and dominated by the vile propaganda without any possibility for another opinion ...

    Take care,

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Fri Sep 30 10:32:02 2022
    Hi Ward Dossche!
    I read your message on 30-Sep-2022

    WD> If I read up on events there was a desire by Ukrainians, also the
    WD> ones that voted for him, to position Ukraine closer to the EU. The
    WD> shit started hitting the fan when Yanukovich turned to Moscow
    WD> instead.

    Yanukovich held a balanced policy, as towards West/Russia, as towards west/east in his own country. It was he, BTW, the initiator to associate Ukraine with the EU. He hadn't refused from it but postponed the
    association when he decided that the agreement was unprofitable for Ukraine.
    As for relations with Moscow -- Ukraine and Russia have always been
    close partners. Ukrainian ultra-nationalists (mainly from western
    Ukraine regions) have always hated this situation. They wanted to impose
    their will and ideas on all Ukraine.

    WD> The Ukrainians knew very well what a regime under the wing of the
    WD> Kremlin, as a vassal state like Belarus, would be and made it clear
    WD> that they did not want that, not even those who voted for the man.

    You think it as you wish to think. But I repeat, that southern and
    eastern Ukraine have always attracted to Russia and Russian culture. So,
    don't tell on behalf all Ukrainian people -- it is totally wrong. A good Fidonet phrase "don't speak for all".

    WD> Yanukovich fled the country for Moscow on February 21, 2014.

    Indeed he ran saving his life. He knew that extremists would not give
    him a fair treatment.

    WD> One day later, on the 22nd, the Ukrainian parliament voted to
    WD> remove him from his post on the grounds that he "has restrained
    WD> himself from performing his constitutional duties" and effectively
    WD> as such resigned.

    WD> On June 18th 2015, Yanukovich was officially deprived of the title
    WD> of president by the parliament.

    You know perfectly well that if a totalitarian authority wants to pass a
    law via the parliament -- it will success. The parliamentarians were
    also filtered, many didn't want to be expelled speaking against.

    WD> In polls conducted since his departure from office he is regarded
    WD> as one of the worst presidents in Ukrainian history.

    It could be for different reasons, but the main reason was that
    Yanukovich had given up his country to bastards without any resistance.
    For this very reason many Russians still hate Gorbachev. Level of
    corruption was also high in Ukraine. But they could not even expect what
    they are going to get instead.

    WD> All that is "historical fact" and widely documented and I don't
    WD> understand how the minds of people in Russia could have become
    WD> infested and dominated by the vile propaganda without any
    WD> possibility for another opinion...

    History is written by winners. ;=)

    Bye Ward!
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Fri Sep 30 10:51:48 2022
    History is written by winners. ;=)

    "History is written by those who have hanged heroes" ... Robert the Bruce in the movie "Braveheart".

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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to alexander koryagin on Fri Sep 30 12:14:22 2022
    Hello alexander!

    30 Sep 22 10:32, alexander koryagin wrote to Ward Dossche:

    Yanukovich fled the country for Moscow on February 21, 2014.

    Indeed he ran saving his life. He knew that extremists would not give
    him a fair treatment.

    Ah, fair treatment is certainly something one might expect in Russia...


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Gerrit Kuehn on Mon Oct 3 10:53:02 2022
    Hi, Gerrit Kuehn!
    I read your message from 30.09.2022 13:14

    WD>>> Yanukovich fled the country for Moscow on February 21,
    WD>>> 2014.
    ak>> Indeed he ran saving his life. He knew that extremists
    ak>> would not give him a fair treatment.
    GK> Ah, fair treatment is certainly something one might expect in
    GK> Russia...

    Certainly Snowen was clever than poor Assange ;=)

    Bye, Gerrit!
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Michiel van der Vlist on Mon Oct 3 11:01:44 2022
    Hi, Michiel Van Der Vlist!
    I read your message from 30.09.2022 14:38

    MV> Red ants and black ants do not fight.
    MV> Until you start shaking the glass jar they are locked in.
    MV> Putin shakes the jar. And he shakes and shakes and shakes...

    Ukraine had a lot ways and time to prevent the war. But unfortunately it
    has been led by a clown-idiot who thinks that he is Napoleon and Russian people don't deserve any concessions.
    A poor mistake, he is not worth a single farthing as a politician.
    Actually it framed Ukraine under the war instead of making what he must
    do - prevent the escalation politically.

    Bye, Michiel!
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to alexander koryagin on Mon Oct 3 11:49:10 2022
    Hi, all!
    I read your message from 03.10.2022 10:53

    WD>>>> Yanukovich fled the country for Moscow on February
    WD>>>> 21, 2014.
    ak>>> Indeed he ran saving his life. He knew that extremists
    ak>>> would not give him a fair treatment.
    GK>> Ah, fair treatment is certainly something one might expect
    GK>> in Russia...
    ak> Certainly Snowen was clever than poor Assange ;=)

    Snowden, I meant, of course. :)

    Bye, all!
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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to alexander koryagin on Mon Oct 3 11:16:28 2022
    Hello alexander!

    03 Oct 22 10:53, alexander koryagin wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

    Certainly Snowen was clever than poor Assange ;=)

    Who knows? Ever talked to one of them privately?


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Tue Oct 4 00:18:40 2022
    Hello Alexander,

    Red ants and black ants do not fight.
    Until you start shaking the glass jar they are locked in.
    Putin shakes the jar. And he shakes and shakes and shakes...

    Ukraine had a lot ways and time to prevent the war. But unfortunately it has
    been led by a clown-idiot who thinks that he is Napoleon and Russian people
    don't deserve any concessions.

    Both sides are to blame. Not one side or the other, but both.
    Along with others who encouraged their own favorite side to start
    or continue the violence. There are no innocents in this war, or
    whatever you want to call it. As Professor Chomsky explains -

    https://chomsky.info/20220414/


    A poor mistake, he is not worth a single farthing as a politician. Actually it framed Ukraine under the war instead of making what he must do -
    prevent the escalation politically.

    Again, read Professor Chomsky's remarks. Although he sides with
    Ukraine in regards to which is the aggressor, the points he makes
    are valid.

    And then ask yourself, has anything really changed since he made
    those comments?

    For Life,
    Lee

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