Hello Everybody,
Ukraine has not yet perished ...
Ukraine has not yet perished ...
I was mistaken. There will be war.
Putin backs separatists claim to the whole Donbas region of Ukraine including those areas controlled by Ukraine.
How knows -- may be peace in that region became closer?
How knows -- may be peace in that region became closer?
I don't think that Ukraine has to worry. Putin is just testing the
west. After he successfully put a clown on the POTUS chair in 2016 he enjoyed watching the US distancing itself from all it's allies, with a gullible POTUS that over and over again showed his admiration of, and loyalty to him.
I think that is totally ... correct ... once he can oust the current Ukrainian president and get a puppet on the throne, it will be
business as usual.
I think that is totally ... correct ... once he can oust the current GZ>WD> Ukrainian president and get a puppet on the throne, it will be
business as usual.
It's not so simple, ukrainians will live under occupation until Putin
will die.
Ukraine has not yet perished ...
I was mistaken. There will be war.
Putin backs separatists claim to the whole Donbas region of
Ukraine including those areas controlled by Ukraine.
For a while we see only limited air strikes. And it is not necessary to repeat an official Ukraine lie ...
How knows -- may be peace in that region became closer?
How knows -- may be peace in that region became closer?
How knows -- may be peace in that region became closer?
I don't think that Ukraine has to worry.
Putin is just testing the west.
After he successfully put a clown on the POTUS chair in 2016 he enjoyed watching the US distancing itself from all it's allies, with a gullible POTUS that over and over again showed his admiration of, and loyalty to him.
Then, when he failed to repeat the manipulation of the US election system in
2020, he probably was surprised to see how all the GOP people still followed the clown, and did everything they could to sabotage every attempt
from the new government to repair the damages done, and thought that now is
the right time to make a move.
Putin embraces the views of Aleksandr Dugin. If you don't want to read any of his books, there's actually a very good article about him on Wikipedia that explains a lot:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin
"In principle, Eurasia and our space, the heartland Russia, remain the staging area of a new anti-bourgeois, anti-American revolution. The new Eurasian empire will be constructed on the fundamental principle of the common enemy: the rejection of Atlanticism, strategic control of the USA, and the refusal to allow liberal values to dominate us. This common civilizational impulse will be the basis of a political and strategic union."
-- The Basics of Geopolitics (1997)
To sum it up, as long as NATO and EU stand strong (and China don't interfere), Putin is not going anywhere. He'll still rule a second rate country, far beyond USA, EU and China.
It's not so simple, ukrainians will live under occupation until
Putin will die.
His own people will deal with him in their own way.
Once those body bags return with dead Russian soldiers.
The things the US does in Syria are not different. The US just feel that
it can do it and it does it. It wants to defend some people in Syria and this reason is enough for being in Syria and is a good example for
Russia.
I repeat, that if in Mexico some anti American forces came to power and they ask Russia to accept them into the military block with Russia and Belarus the reaction of the US will be similar and even 100 time quicker and stronger.
In any case the situation doesn't demand the third world war with nukes. The West can sting Putin in many non military ways.
I think that is totally ... correct ... once he can oust the current
Ukrainian president and get a puppet on the throne, it will be
business as usual.
It's not so simple, ukrainians will live under occupation until Putin will die.
It's not so simple, ukrainians will live under occupation until
Putin will die.
His own people will deal with him in their own way.
Once those body bags return with dead Russian soldiers.
A good dictator doesn't give a shite about bodybags.
strikes. Note, that in this case there is absolutely no any danger to
the USA from the Syrian regime.
And we saw the crazy American reaction and the world was on the brink
of the nuclear war. But, thinking in the NATO way, we could say that
Cuba had a right to be part of any block. But it has never had it. Similar?
How knows -- may be peace in that region became closer?
I don't think that Ukraine has to worry. Putin is just testing the
west. After he successfully put a clown on the POTUS chair in 2016 he
enjoyed watching the US distancing itself from all it's allies, with a
gullible POTUS that over and over again showed his admiration of, and
loyalty to him.
I think that is totally ... correct ...
once he can oust the current Ukrainian president and get a puppet on the throne, it will be business as usual.
What pains me is that a single person has power to do such a thing, move an
army with tens of thousands of troops, maybe more.
Russia does not have the economy to support any long term military engagement the way the USA has.
But more so, I am saddened that a country still does this,
at the outskirts of Europe, where since the onset of the EU in the late 1940-ies it has been demonstrated that countries can peacefully co-exist and prosper ... even arch-enemies such as France and Germany which are now the greatest of friends.
I have listened to my dad who in 1940 was among the last 600 to defend Dunkirk against evil. The description of battle scenes, the brutality of fighting, the bloodshed ... the tears in his eyes ... 70 years after he experienced it.
I just cannot understand why people would want to cause harm to someone else
over the silly claims and propagande which are taking us back to the darkest days of hard-core communism when I was a teenager.
Never put that much power into the hands of a single person ... history is obvious about that ... yet another proof.
I'm also disturbed by the lack of action/support by the west,
an historical lack of support ....
In 1953 Russian troops caused bloodshed in East Germany in its attempt to "liberate" East-Germans from the West and the West just stood by, watched, condemned and had a beer.
In 1956 Russian troops caused bloodshed in Hungary in its attempt to "liberate" Hungarians from the West and the West just stood by, watched, condemned and had a beer.
In 1968 Russian troops marched into CzechoSlovakia in its attempt to "liberate" Czechs and Slovaks from the West and the West just stood by, watched, condemned and had a beer.
In 1981 in Poland there was Jaruzelski, no Russian troops but Russian support was overwhelming and again the West just stood by, watched, condemned and had a beer. Lucky for the Poles, there was a Polish catholic Pope and that made a huge difference ... plus Lech Walesa.
Again now the west is watching, is condmning and later today will have a beer
... the cry for help has gone unanswered the past weeks because "it would de-stabilize the situation".
I'm saddened ...
It's exactly Putin's rhetoric about deploying NATO rockets and bases in Ukraine. NATO has refused to discuss the issue, or I something missed?
You are wrong - Syria did a lot of bad things to USA, in
Lebanon and Iraq. And from US point of view syrian rebels are
at least not supplying Hizbollah with weapons. It's a shame
that only few people in Russia actually know anything about
Syria and it's politics.
Do you think that the USA is a part of Israel? ;-)
Cuba was a part of Soviet block since 1961. The problem was
with nuclear weapons.
It's exactly Putin's rhetoric about deploying NATO rockets and bases
in Ukraine. NATO has refused to discuss the issue, or I something
missed?
A good dictator doesn't give a shite about bodybags.His people do. And without stability in his country, he is toast.
Again now the west is watching, is condmning and later today will have a beer ... the cry for help has gone unanswered the past weeks because "it would de-stabilize the situation".
The most powerful tool available is still not used. I'm talking about Swift, with a very tight Belgian connection, BTW. :)
Oh yes, I know that Swift cannot act on it's own, it needs the
European Council (more Belgian connections...) to issue a directive about cutting Russia off from Swift services.
But it will also (like with the Iranian affair) mean a huge reduction
in fossil fuel consumption in Europe. Yikes, less air pollution? Nah....
We can't have that.
Again now the west is watching, is condmning and later today willhave a
beer ... the cry for help has gone unanswered the past weeks because"it
would de-stabilize the situation".
Well, I think there's a lot of action going on right now, but you are correct, the complacency is despicable.
The most powerful tool available is still not used. I'm talking about Swift,
with a very tight Belgian connection, BTW. :)
Oh yes, I know that Swift cannot act on it's own, it needs the European Council (more Belgian connections...) to issue a directive about cutting Russia off from Swift services.
It worked on Iran in March 2012,
and it would most likely have an immediate impact on Putin and his oligarchy
thieving friends.
But it will also (like with the Iranian affair) mean a huge reduction in fossil fuel consumption in Europe. Yikes, less air pollution? Nah.... We can't have that.
It also will mean that banks and financial institutions world wide will get
reduced profits and even credit losses. That means less bribes to the lawmakers, that keep those profits high -- on the ordinary people's expense. We surely can't have that either.
The most powerful tool available is still not used. I'm talking
about Swift, with a very tight Belgian connection, BTW. :)
The most powerful tool available is still not used. I'm talking
about Swift, with a very tight Belgian connection, BTW. :)
Hizbollah tortured and killed a lot of US citizens and Syria
sent quite a lot of terrorists to Syria (and Lebanon, but it's
another story).
To Syria? ;)
As for torture, let's not talk who tortures people more -- Hizbollah
or the US. The US a long ago approved the concept that if a torture
helps it should be used. We have seen it in Guantanamo, Cuba. The only
military base that has ever been there, BTW.
NATO was never going to deploy any bases or nuclear weapons in
Ukraine. It's only a Putin's crazy dream. It's Russia who was
Also NATO has never been going to expand to the East, BTW. When the
USSR gave up the East Germany it was told like that. And it is funny
from your side to talk on behalf of NATO. How do you know? Who tells
the truth on this planet? ;)
keeping military base in Ukraine and used it to invade Crimea.
The events in the former USSR look like a long divorce scandal. But,
IMHO, it is foolish to not allow "the children" to choose the side
where to go. The people of Crimea and Donbass were always prorussain,
and it is not a secret.
Those Ukrainian nationalists who had made the cope in Kiev in 2014 are
idiots and fools. They decided to privatize the whole Ukraine for
themselves, they divided the Ukrainians, they has tried to humiliate
the Russian part of population as a big hooligan humiliates a weak
back. You can easily have a bloody nose. Fight only with week people,
and it would be happiness and victory. ;=)
The most powerful tool available is still not used. I'm talking about
Swift, with a very tight Belgian connection, BTW. :)
You're sure it hasn't been cut yet, because it is necerssary to do it.
In any case something along that line was mentioned here on the
TV-news... hoz do we check?
Hizbollah. It even killed soviet diplomat in 80s and captured 3
others, but USSR did nothing against them except for much
talking And take Syria - how many people were tortured there for
decades in prisons like one in Tandmour.
It's easy - when all peaceful ways to solve the problem end,
terrorists and rebels always will appear. It's life.
You are too young and you don't know the scandals when Americans
soldiers humiliated Iraqi prisoners in the most dishonest ways. They treated them like animals. However, I believe is a common feature of
the people who work in prisons. Not all course.
You deceive yourself because you want it: https://en.news-front.info/2022/02/19/der-spiegel-official-document-co nfirms-that-nato-promised-not-to-expand-eastwards/
We are already loosing: no access to Airbus, TSMC, etc.. What
for??
Well, when Zorg in the "Fifth element" smashed the glass his tirade sounded cool. ;-) I say it as person who can do nothing. I have to
find something positive for myself. ;-)
"Idiots and fools"? Sounds like you are very smart?
These fucking idiots created most groundless foolish havoc that the
world has not seen for ages.
No one was going to "privatize" Ukraine. I have many friends
there, russians, who don't agree with you completely. Have you
been in Kiev since 2014? I did, btw.
Nothing would happen if it were as you say.
And now we are discussion how we'll live without SWIFT.. Long
queues in Moscow to get euro/dollars from ATMs (impossible at
the moment), prices increasing daily, a lot of EU countries
stopped issuing visas..
There are different opinions about what can be called an interesting
life. ;-)
It's exactly Putin's rhetoric about deploying NATO rockets and bases in
Ukraine. NATO has refused to discuss the issue, or I something missed?
Neither you nor I have been privy to the debate during such meetings. Therefore I don't know and neither do you.
A good dictator doesn't give a shite about bodybags.
His people do. And without stability in his country, he is toast.
Think of 1984: It doesnt matter if the war in Eurasia even exists ...
The most powerful tool available is still not used. I'm talking
about Swift, with a very tight Belgian connection, BTW. :)
CIPS and SPFS stand ready to take over the market space SWIFT might be freeing up...
Hizbollah tortured and killed a lot of US citizens and Syria sent
quite a lot of terrorists to Syria (and Lebanon, but it's another
story).
To Syria?
To Iraq, typo. But then they've returned to Syria with ISIS, so I
was also correct in some way.
As for torture, let's not talk who tortures people more --
Hizbollah
Hizbollah. It even killed soviet diplomat in 80s and captured 3
others, but USSR did nothing against them except for much talking
And take Syria - how many people were tortured there for decades in
prisons like one in Tandmour.
It's easy - when all peaceful ways to solve the problem end, terrorists and rebels always will appear. It's life.
or the US. The US a long ago approved the concept that if a
torture helps it should be used. We have seen it in Guantanamo,
Cuba. The only
Those who used it in Guantanamo were punished and you can't compare
Guantanamo even to ordinary russian police station, where torture
is just a "new normality". In our prisons torture used like in Nazi
camps, check famous Gulagu.net videos. No one in Guantanamo was
putting mop in prisoners asses till death. Such thing have
something with russian culture's addiction to forced male to male
anal sex.
You are too young and you don't know the scandals when Americans
soldiers humiliated Iraqi prisoners in the most dishonest ways. They treated them like animals. However, I believe is a common feature of the people who work in prisons. Not all course.
military base that has ever been there, BTW.
We had military base there and lied that it was a "traning center
#12".
NATO was never going to deploy any bases or nuclear weapons in
Ukraine. It's only a Putin's crazy dream. It's Russia who was
Also NATO has never been going to expand to the East, BTW. When
the
Who told you that?
USSR gave up the East Germany it was told like that. And it is
funny
No, it's a fake. No one found even a single agreement between NATO
and SU about that.
You deceive yourself because you want it:
Hello Tim,
A good dictator doesn't give a shite about bodybags.
His people do. And without stability in his country, he is toast.
Think of 1984: It doesnt matter if the war in Eurasia even exists ...
Not in the world of Newspeak* ...
C'mon Ursula ...
I think she delivered, listening to the latest press release.
A good dictator doesn't give a shite about bodybags.
His people do. And without stability in his country, he is toast.
Think of 1984: It doesnt matter if the war in Eurasia even exists ...
Not in the world of Newspeak* ...
double plus true
Ursula Gertrud von der Leyen, a Belgian born German, president of the European Commission. Not bad for a woman in a man's world...
C'mon Ursula ...
I think she delivered, listening to the latest press release. A
really impressive package of sanctions issued by the EU Commission,
IMHO.
I loved Big Brother.
Ursula Gertrud von der Leyen, a Belgian born German, president of
the European Commission. Not bad for a woman in a man's world...
Hizbollah appeared when peaceful solution came to Lebanon. The
whole idea was kill peacekeepers, to continue the war. And Syria
war like this from 60s, when they've started to physically
eliminate opposition.
It a false idea that peace had born Hizbollah. And such organizations
have not and cannot be fluffy and peaceful.
The bigger punitive force the more chance to have sadists in its rows.
To begin torturing very easy -- you just need to hate. Tortures done
by the Ukranian neo-nazis also is well known fact. As the fact that
they burned their opponents alive in Odessa in 2014.
And as I said before - NATO is a good idea for any country,
otherwise Russia will find some excuse to invade.
They thought that they can do any impudent things under Russia's nose
and run with it. I repeat, it was a gross mistake and every person
before doing something unpleasant to somebody should always think of consequences.
Ukraine crossed red lines in Donbass and got a heavy blow, and nobody could save it from Russia with its umbrella.
Russia also got a heavy blow from the world after the recent invasion,
but it was a calculated policy. Probably Putin wants to separate
Russians from the world and lead it its own way. In other words he
likes the western reaction. ;-)
It's nonsense. Putin started the war and you are blaming someone
else.
The events started in 2014 after the coup where ultra-natioalists were
the main force. It trigged everything, the Crimea referendum and
Donbass including.
Do you think Gorbachev gave up the East Germany without any
conditions?
If we have a document with conditions - why it's not pblic and why Gorbachev is silent about it?
Gorbachev already statet years ago that there were no such conditions
for the German reunification (and all the conditions they agreed on
have been fulfiled). The topic came up later, but never reached the
state of formal approval. In hindsight, this probably should have been done.
I loved Big Brother.
Me too. It is scaringly precise in explaining the world, and it seems to be
more correct every day.
Do you think Gorbachev gave up the East Germany without any
conditions?
If we have a document with conditions - why it's not pblic and why Gorbachev
is silent about it?
Gorbachev complied, without saying a word (in English or in Russian).
Me too. It is scaringly precise in explaining the world, and it seems to
be more correct every day.
From beginning to end. The last four words of Orwell's novel are chilling - "He loved Big Brother." Those who have read the novel would know that all too well.
The whole idea to start a war to protect DDR where most of the
people wanted reunification was a very weird idea for average
Russian who wanted to buy more toilet paper and VCR (to watch US
movies).
But people of Crimea could not want reunification. Because they were Russians. ;-)
People in Crimea voted for independence from Soviet Union in
1991, no one forced them to do it.
They were promised prosperity in bilingual Ukraine. This promise was dragged in the mire.
People in Crimea voted for independence from Soviet Union in
1991, no one forced them to do it.
They were promised prosperity in bilingual Ukraine. This promise was
dragged in the mire.
Putin promised prosperity to Russians many times. And failed.
And now I don't even see how it's possible to end this conflict.
And what to do with Ukraine.
And do I really need to live in Russia? Some of my friends left already during last 4 days.
Putin is destroying our future.
Those who remain stuck in Russia will have to ride it out.
And hope they survive.
Putin is destroying our future.
Russia has no future under Putin.
Not everything can be blamed on Putin.
But he is a big part as to why Russia is suffering.
Due to the good propaganda most Russians think that Russia suffers
because of the EU and US. Most Russians like Putin as their defender and just person. ;)
PS: BTW they prohibit selling goods in Russia and blocked currency accounts of banks. It means that dollar and euro are not very necessary
in Russia any more, and the exchange rate will not sore too high. ;-)
PS: BTW they prohibit selling goods in Russia and blocked currency accounts of banks. It means that dollar and euro are not very
necessary in Russia any more, and the exchange rate will not sore too high. ;-)
And the main fun is that all the blame for the creating the havoc in
2014 is put on Russians only. Shame. It is not they who make the people Ukraine to fight with each other.
Russians are ready to suffer for justice, if you don't know it. ;-)
Well, the sanctions are heavy no doubt. But if Ukrainian ultras have
some brains they would realized that their military resistance is a very small part in the world efforts to restrain Putin. Ukrainians could do
this war bloodless. They could allow Russian troops enter in Ukraine,
and the world suctions would do the rest. In this case Ukraine would not
be destroyed, multiple lives would have been saved.
It is difficult to say. Propaganda becomes strong when it contains a
good part of the truth. And the truth is that the Russian army,
actually, does in Ukraine the same things the Ukraine army has been
doing for 8 years, and even now it is still shelling Donetsk, for
Russians are ready to suffer for justice, if you don't know it. ;-)
Well, the sanctions are heavy no doubt. But if Ukrainian ultras have
some brains they would realized that their military resistance is a
very small part in the world efforts to restrain Putin. Ukrainians
could do this war bloodless. They could allow Russian troops enter in Ukraine, and the world suctions would do the rest. In this case
Ukraine would not be destroyed, multiple lives would have been saved.
There is nothing in Ukraine for Russia. There never was an there never will be.
A better solution is if Russia stayed out of Ukraine
instead of sending an invasion for to kill civilians.
Apparently it's rich in mineral resources.
A logical, sensible leader might do that. Develop good
business ties - and then prosper together.
A former prez. to Latvia, Vaira Vike-Freiberga, recently stated
that "Putin is a narcissist, psychopath, egomaniac and
unhinged", all in one sentence. Trained as a psychologist, she
is probably actually qualified to say that. She stated that he
does not care for the well-being of other people.
The main "fun" in Ukraine in 2014 are separatists. Russian backed
separatists.
You are fooled.
The Russian rebels appeared a good time _after_ the
ultra-nationalists cope in Kiev when bilingual Ukraine had been
violently demolished and its legal president had to run away to save his life. And quite logically a huge mass of people in east and south of
Ukraine could not accept it. The reckless violence by nationalist
trigged all pensive events in Ukraine.
No wonder however. Those nationalists are fucking children of
totalitarian regimes and they could not imagine a democratic way of
reforms. They showed a kind of national fascism -- totalitarian
suppression of opponents.
You call an invasion justice?
Well you then probably call justice a 8-years siege of Donbass with 14 thousand killed? All this time everything was all right and democratic?
Why you has been shut up then and is so loud now?
There is nothing in Ukraine for Russia. There never was an there
never will be.
You forgot that eastern Ukraine has always had closest ties with Russia
and is Russian speaking. And this was one of the reasons for the attack
on the eastern regions of Ukraine after the cope in 2014.
Well, the sanctions are heavy no doubt. But if Ukrainian ultras
have some brains they would realized that their military
resistance is a very small part in the world efforts to restrain
Putin. Ukrainians could do this war bloodless. They could allow
Russian troops enter in Ukraine, and the world suctions would do
the rest. In this case Ukraine would not be destroyed, multiple
lives would have been saved.
A better solution is if Russia stayed out of Ukraine instead of
sending an invasion for to kill civilians.
Even now Russian troops cannot stop shelling of Donetsk.
I just try to be objective. And don't follow Putin's propaganda. The
main thing you should understand on the west that both partis of the
conflict are guilty for it creation. But the start was the nationalistic
cope in 2014.
How do you know the truth if you have not even a single correspondent on
the Russian side of the conflict? ;-)
The same story. Russia sent forces to Ukraine in 2014 and
managed to keep this conflict alive with only the one reason -
to start current war with Ukraine. Putin announced that Ukraine
should not exist. Clear as day.
People in eastern and southern Ukraine were too close to Russia to
allow them to be eliminated. I think elimination of a bilingual
Ukraine was a foolish and criminal act. Lawlessness bore lawlessness,
as a rule.
Russians are ready to suffer for justice, if you don't know it.
They are not. I can see that every day while talking to dozens
of Russians.
I would speak in general, not by dozens.
No, they are fighting for their Motherland.
You don't understand. Let Russian troops enter where they want but fix
the lawlessness of the act. It would a peaceful bloodless resistance.
Russian troops would have nothing to do in Ukraine.
Putin is just a crazy madman. You should never surrender to
crazy madman.
I hope Zelensky understands it. However he tries to drag into the
conflict NATO and the US in his appeals.
And now they are trapped, they cannot escape via Poland, because they
don't have visas.
And now they are trapped, they cannot escape via Poland, because
they don't have visas.
Incorrect ... Ukrainians fleeing into Poland, and as a consequence
into the EU, need no passport nor visa. Some kind of identification
comes in handy but even a membership of the Mickey Mouse club will do.
Putin is destroying our future.
Russia has no future under Putin. Not everything can be blamed on
Putin. But he is a big part as to why Russia is suffering.
Due to the good propaganda most Russians think that Russia suffers
because of the EU and US. Most Russians like Putin as their
defender and just person.
It is a natural desire wanting to trust the leader of one's
country. Especially in times of crisis. But truths cannot be hidden
forever.
It is difficult to say. Propaganda becomes strong when it contains a
good part of the truth.
And the truth is that the Russian army, actually, does in Ukraine the same things the Ukraine army has been doing for 8 years, and even now it is still shelling Donetsk, for instance.
It has appeared that near Donetsk a huge Ukrainian army group
was concentrated this winter for some reason. Although, according Minsk agreement such forces cannot be there.
And the main fun is that all the blame for the creating the havoc in
2014 is put on Russians only. Shame. It is not they who make the people Ukraine to fight with each other.
PS: BTW they prohibit selling goods in Russia and blocked currency
accounts of banks. It means that dollar and euro are not very
necessary in Russia any more, and the exchange rate will not sore
too high.
The economic ranking of Russia is 11th in the world, with a GDP of
$1.528 trillion, and a population of 145 million, with a GDP per
capita of $10,846.
That is about the same size as South Korea.
Russians are ready to suffer for justice, if you don't know it. ;-)
The effects of sanctions imposed on Russia will basically cut its
ecnomony in half, leaving it about the same size as Taiwan.
Only the very wealthy will be able to afford anything of value.
Assuming such things can be found.
Well, the sanctions are heavy no doubt. But if Ukrainian ultras have
some brains they would realized that their military resistance is a very small part in the world efforts to restrain Putin.
Ukrainians could do this war bloodless.
They could allow Russian troops enter in Ukraine, and the world suctions would do the rest.
In this case Ukraine would not be destroyed, multiple lives would have been
saved.
Russia not only wages war on Ukraine but on truth. Here in the west
we know the truth but you may not.
How do you know the truth if you have not even a single correspondent on the
Russian side of the conflict? ;-)
There was no coup, or cope as you call it. The people of Ukraine
did not want to go in the direction that Viktor Yanukovych wanted
to take the country and so they revolted and ousted him.
Can you apply this to the storming of the Capitol in the US by the
Trumps' supporters? Suppose they would overthrown Biden, and imagine
that the Biden's supporters would not have accepted the changing of
power and would take arms?
The talking is always better than wars.
That is what Russia is doing in a peaceful, sovereign nation.
You blindly don't want to note the totalitarian methods of the Ukrainian nationalistic regime towards Russian speaking population. All "love" to Ukraine that Russians now are being inoculated are based on threats, violence, bans and discrimination. To defend rights of Russians in
Ukraine has been simply dangerous for the last 8 years.
You call an invasion justice?
Well you then probably call justice a 8-years siege of Donbass
with 14 thousand killed? All this time everything was all right
and democratic? Why you has been shut up then and is so loud now?
Nobody wanted to separate from Ukraine when its authority conducted a
wise, balanced, bilingual policy, very logical in such bilingual
countries like Ukraine. But some nationalistic idiots crashed everything
that was built after Ukraine became an independent state. Actually a few thousand extremists in Kiev made the cope in 2014.
You forgot that eastern Ukraine has always had closest ties with
Russia and is Russian speaking. And this was one of the reasons
for the attack on the eastern regions of Ukraine after the cope in
2014.
For the person is most important which language he speaking at home, in
which language he thought. For up to 46% of Ukrainian this language is Russian, not even speaking about so called Russian speaking areas in the
east and south. To demand from this people to refuse teaching their
children in Russian, make Russian newspapers, radio, TV-channels is a totalitarian, nationalistic violent way. Actually on the verge of Nazi
way, because in this situation there is no smell of democracy and
freedom in Ukraine after 2014.
This war began in 2014.
But until now it was in Donbass area. I support
helping to besieged people of Donbass, but I think that Putin's idea to
clean all Ukraine from Nazi is crazy and unrealisable. Ukraine was
always divided and it always be. The only positive thing for the war
maybe will be that many Ukrainians now will feel by themselves what the people of Donbass has felt for the last 8 years.
Russia started and continues this war. That is not a hard fact to
be objective about.
The war was started in 2014.
And, the crazy Putin's operation in Ukraine is its unexpected and illogical continuation. Nobody expected it and believed that such a thing could
happen. It happened after Putin had grabbed all the power in his hand and removed the strong people who could object him.
I don't have a Russian correspondent sitting next to me here, but
the last one I was reading says that millions of Russians think
this war is a catastophy and are protesting the war at great risk
to themselves.
Russia is a big country.
But if you want to be objective you should not dissolve the reason of
the situation in a Putin's figure only -- ugly face for many. The
problem exists without Putin.
"Eleminated" is just a wrong word, do you think that ossetians
in Russia were "eliminated"?
Ossetians entered Russia voluntarily and learned Russian to be part of
Russia, nobody threatened them or fined. As for Russian speaking in
Ukraine they are much more numerous, and they have the right to be
treated on equal footing with Ukrainians.
Ukraine us still bilingual. People use Russian kanguage every
It is not true. New law about the state language strongly
discriminates the Russian language. Actually, according the law (the
final stage of which was planed in 2024) it will be almost impossible
to issue Russian speaking newspapers, do Russian radio stations,
Russian tv channels etc.
(Russian resource)
https://www.yaplakal.com/forum1/topic2379495.html
No, the storming of the capitol in the US was based on the big
lie of Donald Trump and a large swath of the republican party.
Well, Ukrainian nationalists also lied that Yanukovich sold himself to
Moscow, and it was a complete lie.
I don't think it had a very good chance of success. It was an
attack on democracy by the republican party supported by groups
like the oath keepers. It was not a popular uprising.
Yes, it was on less scale, but you can imagine that it could be on a
great scale. And in that case we will see something similar to the
Kiev's events in 2014.
No, I don't believe it happened this way.
Yeah, those who are against Russia cannot be bad guys. Or, maybe, this
will be closer -- "those guys are bastards, but they are our
bastards!" ;-)
I say you, the mutiny was similar to the Capitol storming. The
difference was that western countries greatly threaten Yanukovich so
that he would not cease the mutiny by the police force. The agreement
for peace had been achieved, but the same evening somebody started shooting at the crowd and the police. Of course nationalists easily
blamed Yanukovich, although it had no sense for him after the
agreement concluded. In short all "popular uprising" was done by a
small group of people.
Don't be romantic. This war started Feb 24, 2022 although Russia
took some time to build up the military force around Ukraine's
border. This war is Russia's doing and not someone else.
Better to say that in 2022 Russia openly entered in the Ukrainian
civil war that had started in 2014.
No, the storming of the capitol in the US was based on the big lie
of Donald Trump and a large swath of the republican party.
Well, Ukrainian nationalists also lied that Yanukovich sold himself to Moscow, and it was a complete lie.
I don't think it had a very good chance of success. It was an
attack on democracy by the republican party supported by groups
like the oath keepers. It was not a popular uprising.
Yes, it was on less scale, but you can imagine that it could be on a
great scale. And in that case we will see something similar to the
Kiev's events in 2014.
If it was wise and balanced then why a popular uprising to oust the
then leader?
I say you, the mutiny was similar to the Capitol storming.
The difference was that western countries greatly threaten Yanukovich so
that he would not cease the mutiny by the police force. The agreement
for peace had been achieved, but the same evening somebody started
shooting at the crowd and the police. Of course nationalists easily
blamed Yanukovich, although it had no sense for him after the agreement concluded.
In short all "popular uprising" was done by a small group of people.
Better to say that in 2022 Russia openly entered in the Ukrainian civil
war that had started in 2014.
Uhu, this is from another planet, not Ukraine:
http://pics.rsh.ru/img/IMGx2028456_4t6v1y1j.jpg http://pics.rsh.ru/img/IMGx2029194_lk19dzdx.jpg
It seems Putin has grabbed all the power and he surrounded himself with
loyal military and police units. No oligarch can make him to change his
ways.
A few brave souls do simply say "I disagree" in the town square at
great personal cost to themselves.
Putin has created many laws and forces to suppress such acts. Modern electronics, spy technology has brought the world of Orwell into Russia quicker than it penetrates into other countries. :-\
That's why any countries should NOT create such omnipresent spying structures! Because one day you will find that you cannot change your country.
She wrote those words long before all of us were born. Have
things changed at all since her time? Sometimes I wonder. Even
without nukes, we are able to cause massive destruction and
cause more deaths than ever thought possible.
But check it out the fact -- Russian troops captured the Zaporojskya Nuclear Station and this station is still provides Ukraine with electricity. Can be such things during a war?
Sure! Soviet power stations were providing electricity under
German occupation during WWII.
But check another fact -- when the Crimea separated the Ukrainian nationalists had cut off fresh water canal and electricity to the peninsular. All the people there became enemies. Do you know how many civilians has suffered because of this, children including? The answer
is simple -- the nationality of this people was not correct, and they
did not deserve human treating, even while officially they were
called Ukrainian citizens.
It wasn't exactly britgh idea but no one died because of that.
When Putin was thinking about annexation of Crimea - it was his responsibility to think about consequences.
But now we know he is very weak about long term planning.
I have to wonder if he's weak in other ways. Pictures of him
show a puffed-up face. Prednisone? Perhaps he's dealing with an
illness - and wants to make it into the history books doing
something "grand" before times runs out.
Lee Lofaso wrote to alexander koryagin <=-
It has appeared that near Donetsk a huge Ukrainian army group
was concentrated this winter for some reason. Although, according Minsk agreement such forces cannot be there.
The Minsk Agreements are null and void given Putin's actions.
That is not propaganda, but fact. Neither side fully complied
with the terms, and were not likely to do so. But they were
a basis that could have been used to build on.
alexander koryagin wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
Imagine that the events would go like in Kiev -- the protesters would
make barricades around the Capitol, threw Molotov cocktail and rocks at the police, Russian envoy would come to the barricades to encourage the protesters with crackers and juice, as it did auntie Nuland in Kiev in 2014? And Russia would demand to observe human rights of the protesters and refuse from violence? ;-)
But they claimed that unfair shuffling was during the elections and the elections are illegal and Biden.
It was the opinion of a few thousand people.
Thousands people of the USA also didn't want Biden and hate him. In
short the situation is similar.
No it is not correct. Simply saying, Yanukovich was too liberal with protesters. No other president in the world could lead such a liberal policy towards such protests. Naturally, Lukashenko was not such a
person. ;-) Yanukovich was the most democratic leader in post-soviet
space after Gorbachev.
Nobody targets home and apartments on purpose -- I don't know how you
can believe it. The number of victims comparable with Donbass victims.
If you think that shellings of Donentsk has been stopped today you are mistaken.
The matter is not in propaganda -- the matter is in impossibility of
the protest. Orwell state prevents such events. The leader of a protest
is arrested right when he left his home.
In short if Yanukovich has been in power Ukraine would have been a prosperous peaceful country, and the nationalistic Maidan idiots would
not have put the world and Ukraine on its ears. ;-) The reason for
that was miserable. Probably they understand it now.
No it is not correct. Simply saying, Yanukovich was too liberal with protesters. No other president in the world could lead such a liberal policy towards such protests. Naturally, Lukashenko was not such a
person. ;-) Yanukovich was the most democratic leader in post-soviet
space after Gorbachev.
seems toMe too. It is scaringly precise in explaining the world, and it
be more correct every day.
From beginning to end. The last four words of Orwell's novel arechilling
- "He loved Big Brother." Those who have read the novel would knowthat
all too well.
A song comes to my mind: history repeats itself ...
As people forget the book, the things we went through in the past, we again
have to argue over bullsthit that already found its judgement a long time ago ...
Learned a new word recently: bothsiderism ... fits perfectly in today.
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"Modern Ukraine was created by the communist Russia".
where have you seen "Ukraine has no right to exist"? ;=) Why do you
tell so obvious fake?
And in Moscow region at least. 20 million people.
No, only in Moscow. Not in Moscow region.
I live Moscow region, 75 km from Moscow, and I can watch Euronews perfectly well.
About 50% of Russians want war. Do you need link about that?
But you have to agree that reasons for a war are different and a war
can be just?
I have many friends in Ukraine and they have no problems with
using Russian language. When you've visited Ukraine? Never?:)
The Language law has be implemented to 2024. For a while many didn't
feel it well.
How would you explain, in Russian? Most in Russia are looking forward
to the dollar exchange rate of 500 to the ruble to get rid of dollars, euros and other Western candy wrappers. Someone diversifies the
currency basket into yuan, gold and other metals, as well as into
rupees and even dongs ;) no one wants to deal with the dollar. The
rate is artificially kept by the state, the real rate is now much
lower. Well, why the hell did the currency rest, which cannot be
spent? Chinese brothers damn it, they dont take it anymore!
Putin lied that he won't start a war. Lied for many months.
And now you are blaming Ukranians?
Don't tell me a fairy tale that the Ukrainians tell only the truth.
Who told you about chlorine? Russian TV?
The false canister with chlorine was in Syria and many bit it, and
Syria was bombed. Then reporters found all the actors of the story, "victims" including. Taking in account numerous accusations that
Russia uses chemicals to kill such a scenario is very likely and
expected.
I said again -- it is completely wrong to say that Russian media under
Putin control tells a lie only. I have already told you a Russian
saying "Strength is in the truth". Putin's propaganda is based on many
good reason. But surely it is obvious who triggered the
events. And I said it many times.
Putin.
Or maybe it was tongue-tied Yanukovich who could not explain understandably why he had postponed the association Ukraine with EU?
;-)
It was not a lie, BTW. All investigation stories tells us that
US made a mistake and it was officially recognized. Putin will
never tell you he was wrong.
It was a Lie, at the Goebbels' level. As for an investigation, yea,
maybe in some time in Russia also will be some investigation. ;-)
War in Virtnam started long before americans were involded and
it wasn't a lie.
The matter is not in the Vietnam war, but in the American invasion and
its false, fabricated pretext.
It was impossible to do so because they were and still are under
direct control of Russia. They are just puppets. You do not talk
to puppets.
You are a strange person -- why Ukraine is not under EU control and
It was obvious that Russia will invade. For Baiden, not for me.
Putin was lying and Baiden ws not.
It's very probably that Putin's plan was ready two month ago before,
and Ukraine was perfectly aware of it. It was pretty much time to
I said it many times -- Crimea had fallen on Putin's head by itself,
it just had no other choice. Only nationalists in Kiev could be blamed that a whole Crimea population had done what they done. Putin just
sent some his green men for some help.
Russian language was not a state language in Ukraine, please
stop spreading fake information.
I meant a language law called the law "On the principles of the State language policy" gave the status of regional language to Russian and
other minority languages. It allowed the use of minority languages in courts, schools and other government institutions in areas of Ukraine
It was very logical, and it was crazy for nationalists to cancel the mentioned law in the Russian speaking areas of Ukraine. It was as if Canadian Quebec would be restricted in using French.
Fake news again, current law allows use of Russian language.
You just don't know what you are speaking about:
In April 2019, the Ukrainian parliament voted a new law, the Law on Supporting the Functioning of the Ukrainian Language as the State
Language [uk; ar]. On 16 June 2019, the law entered into force. The
law made the use of Ukrainian compulsory (totally or within certain quotas) in the work of some public authorities, in the electoral
Russia is already under investigation by International Criminal
Court.
For instance the US, spat at this court long ago.
I have no time to search it in English, so that's a Russian resource
and the Google translator can easily translate it.
How it was fabricated? USA was sending aid to support South
Vietnam.
They had made a false attack on a American ship and used it as a
pretext to start the war.
Yes, it means that you can use Russian language but have to
provide the same level of service in Ukranian. As in Russia
right now. The same law.
Russia is not a bilingual country as Ukraine. It is not applicable to Russia.
Mask's Starlink is illegal in Russia.
Even with Russian internet VPN browsers help to get any information of
the Internet.
objective, however, I can note that actions to block
western media are followed the same same actions towards
the Russia state media. An information war in a full scale.
No, not a single website of Russian media is blocked in USA or
Belgium. Plese check you sources before such incorrect posts.
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