• FidoNews 38:18 [00/08]: The Front Page

    From FidoNews Robot@2:2/2 to All on Mon May 3 01:13:40 2021
    The F I D O N E W S Volume 38, Number 18 03 May 2021 +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
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    | / Fido \ (_/(_|(____/ | Newspapers should have no friends. |
    | (________) (jm) | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+


    Table of Contents
    1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT ......................................... 1
    2. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 2
    Looking Forward .......................................... 2
    3. LIST OF FIDONET IPV6 NODES ............................... 5
    List of IPv6 nodes ....................................... 5
    4. JAMNNTPD SERVERS LIST .................................... 8
    The Johan Billing JamNNTPd project ....................... 8
    5. FIDONEWS'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ...................... 9
    6. SPECIAL INTEREST ......................................... 16
    Statistics from the Fidoweb .............................. 16
    Nodelist Stats ........................................... 17
    7. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 19
    How to Submit an Article ................................. 19
    Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 21

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  • From FidoNews Robot@2:2/2 to All on Mon May 3 01:13:40 2021
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    FOOD FOR THOUGHT =================================================================

    Remember when we cried as kids and our parents said "I'll give you
    something to cry about"?

    We thought they were going to smack us, but instead they destroyed
    the housing market, quadrupled college tuition fees, melted the ice
    caps and voted Brexit.

    -- anonymous

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  • From FidoNews Robot@2:2/2 to All on Mon May 3 01:13:40 2021
    =================================================================
    GUEST EDITORIAL =================================================================

    Looking Forward - FidoNet thoughts after 35 years away

    Steve Weinert <mail address withheld -- contact the editor>
    (old node numbers were 1:154/110 and 1:154/154, have not
    been assigned a new one yet)

    It was roughly thirty-five years ago that my last serious FidoNet BBS
    shut down. Experimenting for about 5-7 years on two continents I very
    much enjoyed the experience, and recently wanted to revisit FidoNet
    doing a Raspberry Pi based project with an adult son.

    Some things are pretty much as they were when my then Opus-CBCS BBS
    running on a Columbia MPC-1600 portable computer I had used for
    graduate school overseas and repurposed was shut down. New names,
    different nodes in the nodelist, the usual changes in software, but
    things "looked" pretty much the same.

    A few things moved onwards including the prevalence of internet-based connectivity. A few sad things like early leaders who perished,
    withdrew and some growing pains that never really settled down.

    But the largest change I have found is there is enough decades of
    history, enough abandonware depositories, layers of once useful guides
    and now videos which cover parts in varying generational laggardness,
    broken links and information still out there that should have been
    depreciated or at least marked as "for historical reference only" that
    it is genuinely more difficult to set up your system now than it was
    back in 1986. In my first setup I printed the various documents out
    (which mostly did not format onto the European A4 paper without some
    help) and followed what were fairly straight forward steps.

    Our more current attempt has been a big-time sink. I started with a
    program for the Raspberry Pi that has a nice Wiki and lots of Videos.
    Both information channels are incomplete and, in many cases, somewhat
    out of date despite being less than 3-4 years old. A big kudo to the
    gent who filmed the videos, and he has personally taken time to
    encouragingly respond to my earliest test messages.

    I tried two other relatively recent packages, finding them also easy
    installs a bit shallow on documentation and step-by-step information,
    before the SSD enclosure hooked to the Raspberry Pi flaked out.
    Quickly repeated the installs on a spare Win10 box.

    Through this all the incomplete and largely online only documentation,
    layers of detritus of obsolete programs/information, abandonware,
    focus on archaic operating systems, and my personal block against "all
    go slow" video instructions left me feeling like a "technological archaeologist" rather than a one-board computer hobbyist.

    Printed manuals let me write my notes as I go along and put post-its
    on pages where I need to return. Despite putting an iMac next to the
    project computer to read online manuals/wikis and watch videos, I
    still had my pad of paper to write notes. Either on paper or on
    screen I read much faster than the pace that can be used to
    effectively pass on information via video or podcast.

    Videos are nice when they are up to date, and if you stop them every
    time you are focused on actually completing the steps. They also must
    have a corresponding manual to help you sort out anything that didn't
    go right.

    Now what is cool is there are operating packages available and if you
    wade through it enough information to get you up and going! Do no
    despair needed, just a bit of organizing. Well organized makes a lot
    of sense in a world where most people really don't know what is going
    on in their computer, where apps/programs are automatically installed,
    and configurations done via software wizards.

    Bear with me as I offer an analogy - think teaching others cooking a
    bowl of Pho. Now a well-organized recipe lists your ingredients,
    often includes the time and equipment, and basically spells out your prerequisites. Then it breaks the major components into step-by-step sequences, eventually bring it all together.

    In our Pho example you need your ingredients, make the soup broth,
    prepare the garnishes, use prepared noodles and hot sauces, and put it together. (If you want a full example check out https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/228443/authentic-pho/ )

    Now in our FidoNet world we give the "cook" half of the recipe, point
    them at resources on how to grow rice and make rice noodles, specify a
    hot sauce that hasn't been available since the 1990s, use differing
    names for the same thing, and just for good measure include some other
    ramen based recipe fragments just because they are interesting. We
    also tell them to go basically a different store in a different town
    for every ingredient.

    Now our likely "cook" is not only thoroughly lost, but as they have
    had only two previous Pho experiences, first buying a bowl ready to
    serve at a restaurant and the second microwaving a store-bought Pho
    kit that total cooking skills is measuring out the 1-1/4 cups of water
    and emptying the little packets - and major cook skills required here
    - microwaving it the requisite amount of time.

    Likewise, on the FidoNet and BBS experience. In a world where so much
    is made simple is there much chance that a new candidate "Joe Sysop"
    is going to get past the misdirection, incompleteness and then do so
    with no concept of where the parts all fit together?

    Now here is the good part - if we collectively put things into the
    FidoNet equal to cooking recipes we could expect mode node
    participation.

    - I do well when presented with a grand overview, followed with
    successive levels of detail.

    - I also do well when I can print out the documentation or at least
    follow comprehensive checklists. Actually, more than anything else
    let me have a good manual with how-to details and you can let me just
    go at it.

    - I'm all for videos if they present in an explanation of the "why",
    showing an "example", and then designed to be paused while you do the
    tasks, and offer some suggestions when something doesn't work out
    right.

    - I am all for historic stuff at all levels, but it needs to be
    curated in a way to make the current obvious. Links need to work at
    the minimum. And if it is history you need to put it on a timeline.

    If my thoughts make some sense, it is my hope is that a couple
    collaborators might invite me to help do some current and contemporary
    "how to guides" as a new starting point.



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  • From FidoNews Robot@2:2/2 to All on Mon May 3 01:13:40 2021
    =================================================================
    LIST OF FIDONET IPV6 NODES =================================================================

    List of IPv6 nodes
    By Michiel van der Vlist, 2:280/5555

    Updated 13 April 2021


    Node Nr. Sysop Type Provider Remark

    1 2:280/464 Wilfred van Velzen Native Xs4All f
    2 2:280/5003 Kees van Eeten Native Xs4All f
    3 2:5019/40 Konstantin Kuzov T-6in4 he.net f
    4 2:280/5555 Michiel van der Vlist Native Ziggo f
    5 1:320/219 Andrew Leary Native Comcast f
    6 2:221/1 Tommi Koivula T-6in4 he.net f
    7 2:221/6 Tommi Koivula Native OVH
    8 2:5053/54 Denis Mikhlevich Native TTK-Volga
    9 2:5030/257 Vova Uralsky Native PCextreme
    10 1:154/10 Nicholas Bo‰l Native Spectrum f
    11 2:203/0 Bj”rn Felten T-6in4 he.net
    12 2:280/5006 Kees van Eeten Native Xs4All f INO4
    13 3:712/848 Scott Little T-6in4 he.net f
    14 2:5020/545 Alexey Vissarionov Native Hetzner f
    15 1:103/17 Stephen Hurd T-6in4 he.net
    16 2:5020/9696 Alexander Skovpen T-6in4 TUNNELBROKER-0
    17 2:421/790 Viktor Cizek T-6in4 he.net
    18 2:222/2 Kim Heino Native TeliaSonera
    19 3:633/280 Stephen Walsh Native AusNetServers f
    20 2:463/877 Alex Shuman Native Nline f IO
    21 1:19/10 Matt Bedynek T-6in4 he.net
    22 3:770/1 Paul Hayton T-6in4 he.net
    23 2:5053/58 Alexander Kruglikov Native TTK-Volga f
    24 1:103/1 Stephen Hurd Native Choopa
    25 3:633/281 Stephen Walsh Native Internode
    26 2:310/31 Richard Menedetter Native DE-NETCUP f
    27 3:633/410 Tony Langdon Native IINET
    28 2:5020/329 Oleg Lukashin Native Comfortel f
    29 2:246/1305 Emil Schuster Native TAL.DE
    30 2:2448/4000 Tobias Burchhardt Native DTAG IO
    31 2:331/51 Marco d'Itri Native BOFH-IT
    32 1:154/30 Mike Miller Native LINODE
    33 2:5001/100 Dmitry Protasoff Native Hetzner
    34 2:5059/38 Andrey Mundirov T-6in4 he.net
    35 2:240/5853 Philipp Giebel Native Hetzner
    36 2:5083/444 Peter Khanin Native OVH
    37 2:2452/413 Ingo Juergensmann Native RRBONE-COLO f
    38 1:123/10 Wayne Smith T-6in4 he.net
    39 2:4500/1 Eugene Kozhuhovsky Native DATAHATA6
    40 1:135/300 Eric Renfro Native Amazon.com
    41 1:103/13 Stephen Hurd Native Choopa
    42 2:5020/1042 Michael Dukelsky Native FORPSI Ktis f
    43 2:5095/0 Sergey V. Efimoff T-6in4 he.net
    44 2:5095/20 Sergey V. Efimoff T-6in4 he.net
    45 4:902/26 Fernando Toledo T-6in4 he.net
    46 2:5019/400 Konstantin Kuzov Native LT-LT
    47 2:467/239 Mykhailo Kapitanov Native Vultr f
    48 2:463/1331 Andrei Dzedolik Native DIGITALOCEAN
    49 2:5010/275 Evgeny Chevtaev T-6in4 TUNNELBROKER-0 f
    50 2:5020/736 Egor Glukhov Native RUWEB f
    51 2:280/2000 Michael Trip Native Xs4All
    52 2:230/38 Benny Pedersen Native Linode
    53 2:460/58 Stas Mishchenkov T-6in4 he.net f
    54 1:135/367 Antonio Rivera Native RRSW-V6
    55 2:5020/2123 Anton Samsonov T-6in4 he.net
    56 2:5020/2332 Andrey Ignatov Native ru.rtk
    57 2:5005/49 Victor Sudakov T-6in4 he.net f
    58 2:5005/77 Valery Lutoshkin T-6in4 NTS f
    59 2:5005/106 Alexey Osiyuk T-6in4 he.net f
    60 2:5057/53 Ivan Kovalenko Native ER-Telecom f
    61 2:5010/352 Dmitriy Smirnov Native EkranTV f
    62 2:292/854 Ward Dossche Native Proximus OO
    63 2:469/122 Sergey Zabolotny T-6in4 he.net f
    64 2:5053/400 Denis Mikhlevich Native TTK-Volga
    65 1:135/371 Eric Renfro Native Cox Cmmunctns
    66 2:421/21 Stepan Gabriel Native NETDATACOMM
    67 2:5030/1997 Alexey Fayans T-6in4 he.net
    68 1:220/70 Joseph Werle T-6in4 he.net
    69 2:5061/15 Eugene Gladchenko Native ARUBAUK-NET
    70 2:2452/502 Ludwig Bernhartzeder Native DTAG
    71 2:423/39 Karel Kral Native WEDOS
    72 2:5080/102 Stas Degteff T-6to4 NOVATOR
    73 2:280/1049 Simon Voortman Native Solcon
    74 1:102/127 Bradley Thornton Native Hetzner
    75 2:335/364 Fabio Bizzi Native IT-ALBACOM
    76 1:124/5016 Nigel Reed Native DAL1-US f
    77 2:5020/843 Peter Antonov Native BelCloud
    78 2:5075/37 Andrew Komardin Native IHC-NET
    79 1:153/146 Erich Bublitz Native LINODE-US
    80 1:106/633 William Williams Native LINODE-US PM *1
    81 2:263/5 Martin List-Petersen Native TuxBox
    82 2:5030/1520 Andrey Geyko T-6in4 he.net f
    83 1:229/664 Jay Harris Native Rogers
    84 1:142/103 Brian Rogers T-6in4 he.net
    85 1:342/17 Kostie Muirhead Native Hurricane El.
    86 2:280/2030 Martien Korenblom Native Transip
    87 3:633/509 Deon George Native Telstra
    88 2:5020/4441 Yuri Myakotin Native SOVINTEL
    89 1:320/319 Andrew Leary Native Comcast f
    90 2:240/5824 Anna Christina Nass T-6in4 he.net f
    91 2:460/5858 Stas Mishchenkov T-6in4 he.net f INO4
    92 1:105/5 Michael Pierce Native Comcast
    93 1:218/401 James Downs Native ORG-TT1
    94 2:5030/3165 Serg Podtynnyi Native DIGITALOCEAN
    95 2:301/812 Benoit Panizon Native WOODYV6
    96 1:229/616 Vasily Losev Native GIGEPORT
    97 2:301/113 Alisha Manuela Stutz T-6in4 he.net


    T-6in4 Static 6in4
    T-AYIY Dynamic AYIYA
    T-6to4 6to4
    T-6RD 6RD

    Remarks:

    f Has a ::f1d0:<zone>:<net>:<node> style host address.
    (zone, net, node in decimal notation)
    IO Incoming only (Node can not make outgoing IPv6 calls)
    OO Outgoing only (Node can not accept incoming IPv6 calls).
    INO4 No IPv4 (Node can not accept incoming IPv4 calls).
    PO4 Prefers Out on 4 (Node can make outgoing IPv6 calls,
    but is configured to try IPv4 first)
    6DWN The IPv6 connectivity of this node is temporarely down.
    NO6 The node no longer presents an IPv6 address in the nodelist
    and will soon be removed from this list.
    DOWN This node is Down for both IPv4 and IPv6 and will be
    removed from this list if the condition pertains.
    PM Prospective Member. The node has demonstrated IPv6
    capability but is not listed or does not advertise an
    IPv6 address in the Fidonet nodelist yet.

    PM *1 [2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe2b:c319]


    Notes:

    To make an IPv6 connection to a node connected via 6to4 tunneling
    one may have to force the mailer into IPv6 (-6 option in binkd's
    node config for binkd up to 1.1a-96, -64 option for binkd 1.1a-97
    and up when compiled with AF_FORCE=1). If the destination address
    is a 6to4 tunnel address (2002::/16) many OSs default to IPv4 if
    an IPv4 address is present.


    Submitted on day 122

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  • From FidoNews Robot@2:2/2 to All on Mon May 3 01:13:40 2021
    =================================================================
    SPECIAL INTEREST =================================================================

    Last week's statistics from the Fidoweb
    By EchoTime, 2:203/0

    (Some nets may have lost their last
    digit for technical reasons)

    pkt (toss-toss) msg (write-toss)
    nodes mean dev no mean dev no

    154/* 7.9m 11.9m 500 1.3h 4.0h 500
    221/* 5.5m 12.7m 669 5.0h 9.7h 669
    280/* 6.7m 14.0m 710 7.6h 15.1h 709
    292/* 11.6m 17.2m 44 4.5h 4.5h 43
    301/* 0.4m 0.3m 3 0.0h 0.0h 3
    320/* 2.5m 3.8m 306 2.2h 5.5h 305
    502/* 0.6m 0.2m 9 5.9h 7.0h 9

    Sigma 6.1m 12.4m 2241 4.6h 10.7h 2238

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    Nodelist Stats

    Input nodelist nodelist.120
    size 185.4kb
    date 2021-05-01

    The nodelist has 1017 nodes in it
    and a total of 1471 non-comment entries

    including 4 zones
    33 regions
    172 hosts
    68 hubs
    admin overhead 277 ( 27.24 %)

    and 110 private nodes
    33 nodes down
    34 nodes on hold
    off line overhead 177 ( 17.40 %)


    Speed summary:

    >9600 = 50 ( 4.92 %)
    9600 = 190 ( 18.68 %)
    (HST = 3 or 1.58 %)
    (CSP = 0 or 0.00 %)
    (PEP = 0 or 0.00 %)
    (MAX = 0 or 0.00 %)
    (HAY = 0 or 0.00 %)
    (V32 = 81 or 42.63 %)
    (V32B = 18 or 9.47 %)
    (V34 = 94 or 49.47 %)
    (V42 = 82 or 43.16 %)
    (V42B = 19 or 10.00 %)
    2400 = 1 ( 0.10 %)
    1200 = 0 ( 0.00 %)
    300 = 776 ( 76.30 %)

    ISDN = 34 ( 3.34 %)

    -----------------------------------------------------
    IP Flags Protocol Number of systems -----------------------------------------------------
    IBN Binkp 795 ( 78.17 %) ----------------------------------
    IFC Raw ifcico 87 ( 8.55 %) ----------------------------------
    IFT FTP 61 ( 6.00 %) ----------------------------------
    ITN Telnet 164 ( 16.13 %) ----------------------------------
    IVM Vmodem 14 ( 1.38 %) ----------------------------------
    IP Other 4 ( 0.39 %) ----------------------------------
    INO4 IPv6 only 2 ( 0.20 %) ----------------------------------

    CrashMail capable = 879 ( 86.43 %)
    MailOnly nodes = 317 ( 31.17 %)
    Listed-only nodes = 23 ( 2.26 %)



    [Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm]
    [ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/2]
    [ NetStats 3.8 2014-11-23]

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to All on Mon May 3 09:11:28 2021
    Hi All,

    On 2021-05-03 01:13:41, FidoNews Robot wrote to you:

    Looking Forward - FidoNet thoughts after 35 years away

    Steve Weinert <mail address withheld -- contact the editor>
    (old node numbers were 1:154/110 and 1:154/154, have not
    been assigned a new one yet)

    It was roughly thirty-five years ago that my last serious FidoNet BBS
    shut down.

    https://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/?name=Steve+Weinert

    That's "only" 32 years ago! :-/

    So the rest of the article is ignored, because it's probably inaccurate and exaggerated too... ;)


    Bye, Wilfred.
    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon May 3 11:48:22 2021
    That's "only" 32 years ago! :-/

    So the rest of the article is ignored, because it's probably inaccurate
    and exaggerated too... ;)

    With a total presence in the nodelist of 10 months in the age prior to when all the goodies were invented ... prior to Y2K, prior to 9/11, prior to the FIDONEWS hi-jack ...

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - Apr.27 2021
    * Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Steve Weinert on Tue May 4 21:29:08 2021
    Hi Steve,

    On 2021-05-04 13:55:58, you wrote to me:

    Wilfred - the version published was not the final edit.

    Running early from Europe and later stateside was very interesting in the day. The public facing BBS side was the least of my experimenting then, and was availble for a longer period (I think the node list archives suggest 89-91 but I had two different node numbers and also operated as a point.

    My contrasts between the two eras are based on my experiences, seperated by
    30 years. YMMV but being dismissive out of hand is really poor form.

    I don't think you even read to my premise and forward looking thoughts?

    I red it all, and there was a smiley behind my statement...

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Steve Weinert@3:770/100 to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed May 5 08:50:30 2021
    Well are you game? With a few current well schooled people, a few old
    skooled types and if lucky a few returnees, we could do some good.

    Thoughts?

    --- 73 de Steve K9ZW QTH Whitelaw, Wisconsin, USA

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (3:770/100)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Steve Weinert on Wed May 5 08:38:40 2021
    Hi Steve,

    On 2021-05-05 08:50:31, you wrote to me:

    Well are you game? With a few current well schooled people, a few old skooled types and if lucky a few returnees, we could do some good.

    Sorry, so little time and so much to do already... ;)

    Bye, Wilfred.
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