• A riddle

    From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to All on Fri Sep 13 16:24:08 2019

    Hi, all!

    How can you put on a turned inside out T-shirt correctly without turning it inside in beforehand?

    The answer: uoy dluohs tup no ti eciwt

    ;-)

    Bye, all!
    Alexander Koryagin

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/6 to Alexander Koryagin on Fri Sep 13 17:48:40 2019
    From Alexander Koryagin To All
    Hi, all!
    How can you put on a turned inside out T-shirt correctly without turning
    it inside in beforehand?
    The answer: uoy dluohs tup no ti eciwt
    ;-)

    (-:


    Tommi

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  • From Paul Quinn@1:1/0 to Alexander Koryagin on Sat Sep 14 07:50:58 2019
    Hi! Alexander,

    On 09/13/2019 11:27 PM, you wrote to All:

    How can you put on a turned inside out T-shirt correctly without turning it inside in beforehand?

    The answer: uoy dluohs tup no ti eciwt

    ;-)

    Try: "uoy dluohs tup ti no eciwt". Much better. 8-)

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Paul Quinn on Sat Sep 14 19:39:04 2019
    Hi, Paul Quinn : Alexander Koryagin!
    I read your message from 14.09.2019 01:00

    How can you put on a turned inside out T-shirt correctly without
    turning it inside in beforehand?
    The answer: uoy dluohs tup no ti eciwt

    Try: "uoy dluohs tup ti no eciwt". Much better.

    I believe I knew it once. :)

    Bye, Paul!
    Alexander Koryagin
    english_tutor 2019

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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Paul Quinn on Mon Sep 16 13:39:44 2019
    Hi, Paul Quinn!
    I read your message from 14.09.2019 01:00


    How can you put on a turned inside out T-shirt correctly without
    turning it inside in beforehand?
    The answer: uoy dluohs tup no ti eciwt
    ;-)

    Try: "uoy dluohs tup ti no eciwt". Much better. 8-)


    What about the first sentence (the question)? Should I put "on" behind "T-Shirt"? It seems in this case "on" will be very far from "put".

    Bye, Paul!
    Alexander Koryagin
    english_tutor 2019

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Alexander Koryagin on Mon Sep 16 21:57:36 2019
    Hi! Alexander,

    On 16 Sep 19 13:42, you wrote to me:

    How can you put on a turned inside out T-shirt correctly without
    turning it inside in beforehand?
    The answer: uoy dluohs tup no ti eciwt
    ;-)
    Try: "uoy dluohs tup ti no eciwt". Much better. 8-)

    What about the first sentence (the question)? Should I put "on" behind "T-Shirt"? It seems in this case "on" will be very far from "put".

    It's quite correct as is. Anything else ends up being quite convoluted,

    On a matter of (my) personal style I might have used "inside-out" and "inside-in", as I think it makes the _state_ of the garment more apprent. It's kind of a mental 'N.B' (Latin) ... "uh-oh, it's not just a string of words; this has meaning on which the question may depend". :)

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Mark Lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Alexander Koryagin on Mon Sep 16 07:49:58 2019

    On 2019 Sep 16 13:42:44, you wrote to Paul Quinn:

    How can you put on a turned inside out T-shirt correctly without
    turning it inside in beforehand?
    The answer: uoy dluohs tup no ti eciwt
    ;-)

    Try: "uoy dluohs tup ti no eciwt". Much better. 8-)

    What about the first sentence (the question)? Should I put "on" behind "T-Shirt"? It seems in this case "on" will be very far from "put".

    either way is fine...

    here're four more ways to write your question ;)


    how can you put an inside-out t-shirt on correctly without turning it right-side out first?

    how can you put on an inside-out t-shirt correctly without turning it right-side out first?

    how can you correctly put an inside-out t-shirt on without turning it right-side out first?

    how can you correctly put on an inside-out t-shirt without turning it right-side out first?



    what do you think of me now? :P

    )\/(ark

    Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.
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  • From Mark Lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Paul Quinn on Tue Sep 17 06:58:58 2019

    On 2019 Sep 16 22:07:36, you wrote to Alexander Koryagin:

    On a matter of (my) personal style I might have used "inside-out" and "inside-in", as I think it makes the _state_ of the garment more apprent.

    along the lines of "why do we drive on parkways and park on driveways", why do we commonly say "inside-out" and rarely say "outside-in"? ;) O:)

    i kinda think it has something to do with alphabetical ordering...

    )\/(ark

    Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.
    ... Yes, I drink wine from a box but I'd rather drink by the suitcase.
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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Mark Lewis on Wed Sep 18 07:46:26 2019
    Hi! mark,

    On 17 Sep 19 06:54, you wrote to me:

    along the lines of "why do we drive on parkways and park on
    driveways", why do we commonly say "inside-out" and rarely say "outside-in"? ;) O:)

    I kinda liked your 'right-side' thing but I would've used 'rightside' had I thought of it. ;)

    i kinda think it has something to do with alphabetical ordering...

    Oh no, my head hurts if I try that sort of analysis. Oh, the pain... [sfx: channeling Dr Smith, Lost In Space]

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Mark Lewis on Wed Sep 18 14:00:42 2019
    Hi, Mark Lewis!
    I read your message from 16.09.2019 14:45

    How can you put on a turned inside out T-shirt correctly without
    turning it inside in beforehand? The answer: uoy dluohs tup no
    ti eciwt ;-)

    Try: "uoy dluohs tup ti no eciwt". Much better. 8-)

    What about the first sentence (the question)? Should I put "on"
    behind "T-Shirt"? It seems in this case "on" will be very far
    from "put".

    either way is fine...

    here're four more ways to write your question ;)


    how can you put an inside-out t-shirt on correctly without turning
    it right-side out first?

    how can you put on an inside-out t-shirt correctly without turning
    it right-side out first?

    how can you correctly put an inside-out t-shirt on without turning
    it right-side out first?

    how can you correctly put on an inside-out t-shirt without turning
    it right-side out first?

    what do you think of me now?: P

    I feel now as a donkey in front of four haystacks. ;=)

    Bye, Mark!
    Alexander Koryagin
    english_tutor 2019

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  • From Mark Lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Alexander Koryagin on Wed Sep 18 10:07:24 2019

    On 2019 Sep 18 14:03:42, you wrote to me:

    what do you think of me now?: P

    I feel now as a donkey in front of four haystacks. ;=)

    kinda like me when i go to a resturaunt and they have more than two pages in their menus... too many choices so i sit for sometimes over an hour trying to decide while having a beverage or two and finally just end up paying for the beverages and having a bowl of popcorn at home... popcorn is one of my staples, these days...

    )\/(ark

    Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.
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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Alexander Koryagin on Sat Sep 21 00:46:06 2019
    Alexander Koryagin:

    How can you put on a turned inside out T-shirt correctly
    without turning it inside in beforehand?

    The answer: uoy dluohs tup no ti eciwt

    This put me in the mind of a beautiful riddle by Martin
    Gardner, in which a doctor must operate three patients using
    only two pair of gloves. Any of the four people may be
    infected with a virus that transfers at direct contact. The
    operation must be performed with both hands, and all the
    uninfected must remain so.

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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Anton Shepelev on Sat Sep 21 19:44:08 2019
    Hi, Anton Shepelev : Alexander Koryagin!
    I read your message from 21.09.2019 00:49

    How can you put on a turned inside out T-shirt correctly without
    turning it inside in beforehand?

    The answer: uoy dluohs tup no ti eciwt

    This put me in the mind of a beautiful riddle by Martin Gardner, in
    which a doctor must operate three patients using only two pair of
    gloves. Any of the four people may be infected with a virus that
    transfers at direct contact. The operation must be performed with
    both hands, and all the uninfected must remain so.

    A new version? I heard there were three doctors and one patient. :) http://tinyurl.com/y53anmeo
    page 5

    Bye, Anton!
    Alexander Koryagin
    english_tutor 2019

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Alexander Koryagin on Mon Sep 23 01:05:58 2019
    Alexander Koryagin to Anton Shepelev:

    This put me in the mind of a beautiful riddle by Martin
    Gardner, in which a doctor must operate three patients
    using only two pair of gloves. Any of the four people
    may be infected with a virus that transfers at direct
    contact. The operation must be performed with both
    hands, and all the uninfected must remain so.

    This put me in the mind of a beautiful riddle by Martin
    Gardner, in which a doctor must operate three patients
    using only two pair of gloves. Any of the four people
    may be infected with a virus that transfers at direct
    contact. The operation must be performed with both
    hands, and all the uninfected must remain so.

    A new version? I heard there were three doctors and one
    patient. :)
    http://tinyurl.com/y53anmeo
    page 5

    This one is topologically identical and amenable to the same
    solution.

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Mark Lewis on Mon Sep 23 20:27:36 2019
    )\/(ark Lewis:

    along the lines of "why do we drive on parkways and park
    on driveways", why do we commonly say "inside-out" and
    rarely say "outside-in"? ;) O:)

    That would be putting it heels over head...

    i kinda think it has something to do with alphabetical
    ordering...

    Hardly. Is rather mere euphony.

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  • From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Paul Quinn on Fri Oct 4 23:46:04 2019
    Hi, Paul! Recently you wrote in a message to mark lewis:

    along the lines of "why do we drive on parkways and
    park on driveways", why do we commonly say "inside-out"
    and rarely say "outside-in"? ;) O:)

    I kinda liked your 'right-side' thing but I would've
    used 'rightside' had I thought of it. ;)


    Ahh. You suggested hyphenating "inside out", and my CANADIAN OXFORD DICTIONARY agreed with you that the term should be hyphenated when used as an attributive adjective. Mark followed the same pattern in his examples. IMHO your initial reaction was quite correct... so why do things differently here?



    i kinda think it has something to do with alphabetical
    ordering...

    Oh no, my head hurts if I try that sort of analysis. Oh,
    the pain... [sfx: channeling Dr Smith, Lost In Space]


    You may not need to if, as Anton remarked, you're aware of the sound when various words are used together. I guess alphabetical order is probably the default in many cases, but native speakers also use expressions like:

    hurdy-gurdy
    itsy-bitsy
    goods & chattels
    lock, stock, and barrel
    pomp & circumstance

    ... at least 4/5 of which were in common use before you & I were born. ;-)




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  • From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Alexander Koryagin on Fri Oct 4 23:52:12 2019
    Hi, Alexander! Recently you wrote in a message to mark lewis:

    how can you put an inside-out t-shirt on correctly without turning
    it right-side out first?

    how can you put on an inside-out t-shirt correctly without turning
    it right-side out first?

    how can you correctly put an inside-out t-shirt on without turning
    it right-side out first?

    how can you correctly put on an inside-out t-shirt without turning
    it right-side out first?

    what do you think of me now?: P

    I feel now as a donkey in front of four haystacks. ;=)


    You asked about the placement of an adverb, and Mark did what I would have done by expanding on the concept... [chuckle].

    The choice may be easier if you realize he is offering examples based on the placement of two adverbs and adding the information that native speakers often prefer to say "right-side out" because that is how they were taught. :-Q




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  • From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Anton Shepelev on Sun Oct 6 13:15:30 2019
    Hi, Anton! Recently you wrote in a message to mark lewis:

    why do we commonly say "inside-out" and
    rarely say "outside-in"? ;) O:)

    That would be putting it heels over head...


    ... as in "downside up"? :-))




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