• Food for Thought

    From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Ardith Hinton on Mon Feb 11 22:36:36 2019
    Ardith Hinton:

    While you understand how the system works, others may
    not. I hear many younger folk nowadays saying things
    like "a elephant".... :-Q

    Well, children have a chance of improvement. Meseems I
    remember that in "Dennis the Menace" (ashamed to have
    watched movie on Russian TV :) the little boy made that
    error when accosted by the thief as to what it was he held
    in his hands. "A apple" -- answered the boy.

    Similarly, we do not say "What an wonderful world". It
    is an hunderd times more lip- and ear-straining.
    I assumed you were joking because this remark
    immediately followed upon another example of how "an"
    may sound cumbersome if used where it isn't really
    needed.

    No, I was serious. I think "an hundered" survided into the
    late Victorian era with some writers, but I am in the shape
    to you quotations.

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    * Origin: nntps://fidonews.mine.nu - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/6.0)
  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Anton Shepelev on Mon Feb 11 22:50:44 2019
    I have been skipping words lately:

    ashamed to have watched movie on Russian TV :)

    that movie

    I think "an hundered" survided into the late Victorian
    era with some writers, but I am in the shape to you
    quotations.

    not in the shape to give you quotations.

    What malady is it -- dyslogia?

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    * Origin: nntps://fidonews.mine.nu - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/6.0)
  • From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Paul Quinn on Wed Feb 20 16:12:02 2019
    Hi, Paul! Recently you wrote in a message to Ardith Hinton:

    [re "yellow polka dot bikini"]
    So, was it a white bikini? ;)

    I was wondering about the same thing until I remembered
    that polka dots & coin dots (which were larger & typically
    worn by little old ladies 'way back when) were almost
    invariably white in those days. As I understand it the
    bathing suit in question was probably bright yellow with
    white polka dots, and the teenager who was wearing it
    desperately wanted to sport the latest fashion from Europe
    but wasn't quite ready to do so on a public beach.... :-Q

    Really? Nah, can't be yellow on yellow. (Do you see my
    point? I'm safe from polka dot bikinis too.)


    I suppose it could be if there were two different shades of yellow. What I was thinking you meant, however, was along the lines of your joke about the purple people eater. Is this critter purple... or does he/she/it eat only purple people? Is the background yellow... &/or are the polka dots yellow? I understand there are various theories WRT the grammatical analysis of a string like this. When I compare them to my own experience with people & polka dots, Mark Forsyth's explanation is a lot more straightforward & practical AFAIC. I would be interested in seeing what he can do with a string describing a person such as an attractive red-haired female English horn player... [chuckle].



    I'm thinking a red or a blue always makes a great combo
    with yellow. (Yellow looks really nice as a 'trim' on the
    bikinis worn by the Chinese beach volleyball contestants,
    being either red or blue.)


    Yes, WRT paint & fabric dye they are the primary colours... or so I was taught in art class at elementary school. WRT light things are different. I'm still trying to figure out what's happening on my computer monitor. Years ago it seemed few people understood terms like "cyan" & "magenta"... and those who did were heavily influenced by fashion moguls who worked with fabric. ;-)



    OTOH, I note with interest that you a use a single word
    'thank you'. Is that a Canadian thing?

    You've opened a nice can of worms there, my friend. Give
    yourself another gold star & fasten your seat belt... [chuckle].

    Oops. It's a recent point of interest. I queried myself and
    mistakenly checked a dictionary (singular, and may have been
    via uncle Google).


    You certainly got me interested there. I checked four dictionaries which we have here at home, then turned to Uncle Google & FOWLER'S for further clarification. I don't need to do the latter when I'm 99% sure I'm right & my OXFORD CANADIAN DICTIONARY, which is designed specifically for people who want to communicate with others in an international context, agrees with me. Every dictionary has its own strengths & weaknesses, however... and through years of practice I know what to expect from my favourite four in many cases. I'm glad you realize one dictionary isn't always enough. Not everybody does. With the help of Uncle Google, we are no longer limited to what we & the public library have on our bookshelves. But we still need to ask... as I advised my students to do years ago... who is this person & why should I take his her word for it? With material we find on the Internet, we may not know who the author is. :-)



    In short: this spelling has been traced to Australia,
    Canada, the UK, and the US.

    Oh, dear.


    I understand. My comment was descriptive, but reading between the lines I take it your spelling remains the most widely accepted... [wry grin].



    In formal writing it is definitely not recommended. :-)

    That is what I like to see. Thank you. ;)


    And thanks to FOWLER'S, which I often turned to when I was a first- year teacher... and still do. I have an updated edition now, but it takes the same British no-nonsense approach the earlier edition did. For those who have the patience to wade through a much more detailed explanation than the average dictionary can offer there are a lot of concluding statements like this. :-))




    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
    * Origin: Wits' End, Vancouver CANADA (1:153/716)