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Why exactly did you do this?
I swear to god it's like the vultures are f'n loose in fidonet...
Geez.
AREA:ELIST
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Hello Janis,
05 Mar 22 16:13, you wrote to Vincent Coen:
Why exactly did you do this?
Because you left, Janis, and you left one hell of a mess to clean up.
I swear to god it's like the vultures are f'n loose in fidonet... Geez.
He's trying to clean up the mess you left behind.
Hello Janis,
05 Mar 22 16:13, you wrote to Vincent Coen:
Why exactly did you do this?
Because you left, Janis, and you left one hell of a mess to clean up.
I swear to god it's like the vultures are f'n loose in fidonet...
Geez.
He's trying to clean up the mess you left behind. Instead of bitching
at him, try helping out for once. I mean, really: you up and
disappear leaving a lot of us in Fidonet in a lurch. Vince stepped in
and picked up where you left off. You gave no notice of your
disconnection and told only a few people you were coming back
(including me) but with no timetable.
So you show back up unannounced and bitch at the people where you left
everyone hanging? That's mighty presumptious and arrogant of you but
hey, you have a reputation to uphold, right? The great Janis Kracht:
in charge of everything...until she isn't.
What the hell is it with the old guard leaving Fidonet, coming back,
leaving again and then throwing a temper tantrum when they come back?
You're embarrassing yourself. Stop it.
-- Sean
... It is better to wear out than to rust out.
Hello Sean!
Saturday March 05 2022 19:26, you wrote to Janis Kracht:
I have not seen any post from Janis here other than the one's generated from elist and that was me taking over the RAR area from her.
Hello Vincent Coen!
** On Monday 07.03.22 - 16:35, Vincent Coen wrote to Sean Dennis:
Hello Sean!
Saturday March 05 2022 19:26, you wrote to Janis Kracht:
I have not seen any post from Janis here other than the one's
generated from elist and that was me taking over the RAR area
from her.
Look for MSGID: 2:250/1@fidonet 47625d4a
Look for MSGID: 2:250/1@fidonet 47625d4a
No messages from 31 Dec 2021.
Louis Northmore wrote to Sean Dennis <=-
I can't see Janis' original message that this reply is for.
What gives?
Sam Penwright wrote to Sean Dennis <=-
Okay lets slow down we dont have to do this, Janis Glad your back.
Shawn kindness go's along way. Lets all get along. Geez!
Vincent Coen wrote to Sean Dennis <=-
I have not seen any post from Janis here other than the one's generated from elist and that was me taking over the RAR area from her.
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DESCription:
An International conference to provide support and technical assistance
for
users and prospective users of the RAR archiver.
Topics may include: Questions and answers on how to use the various
features of RAR, Bug reports,
Information on where to obtain copies of RAR and related programs. Announcements for RAR will be made by the RAR-FDN Coordinator.
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My bad. This was Janis' post about the vultures:
MSGID: 1:261/38.0 f49993b7
I have not seen any post from Janis here other than the one's
generated from elist and that was me taking over the RAR area from
her.
I think you have a feed problem somewhere, Vince.
Here's the full message including kludges:
===Cut===
= ELIST (1:18/200) ============================================================
Msg : 130 of 147
From : Janis Kracht 1:261/38 05 Mar 22 16:13:18 To : Vincent Coen Subj : RAR Echolist Update ===========================================================================
+MSGID: 1:261/38.0 f49993b7
+REPLY: 2:250/1@fidonet 47625d4a
+TZUTC: -0500
+CHARSET: LATIN-1
@PATH: 261/38 218/700 229/426 18/200
===Cut===
I can't see Janis' original message that this reply is for.
What gives?
I'd talk to your boss node and check to see if the message is in his system. If not, keep working your way up the SEEN-BY chain until you
find a system that does have the original message. I do know you have been having an odd issue with your feed (I've read it over in Vince's admin echo for his region that I'm connected to since he and I have a direct connection for file echoes).
I hope this might give you a place to start to figure out what's going
on.
I have not seen any post from Janis here other than the one's
generated from elist and that was me taking over the RAR area from
her.
I think you have a feed problem somewhere, Vince.
i'm not so sure... vince's system is one of the top tier star hubs... he was brought in, along with xxcarol and terry roati, when janis left the network... my system has not seen any of janis' recent post(s) in any echos...
Here's the full message including kludges:
===Cut===
= ELIST (1:18/200)
============================================================
Msg : 130 of 147
From : Janis Kracht 1:261/38 05 Mar 22
16:13:18 To : Vincent Coen Subj : RAR Echolist Update
======================================================================
===== +MSGID: 1:261/38.0 f49993b7 +REPLY: 2:250/1@fidonet 47625d4a
+TZUTC: -0500 +CHARSET: LATIN-1
[... trim ...]
@PATH: 261/38 218/700 229/426 18/200
===Cut===
261/38 is janis' system
218/700 is kurt weiske
229/426 is nick andre (aka z1c)
18/200 is, of course, you
i don't see any seenbys in your quote of janis' post, either...
the following systems are connected to this area here at sestar...
1:153/7715 dallas hinton (star hub)
1:275/1000 xxcarol (star hub)
2:250/1 vince (star hub)
3:640/1321 terry roati (star hub)
1:116/116 danny walters
1:123/25 kurt hamm
1:123/35 david farr
1:123/115 dan clough
1:123/170 raleigh apple
1:123/180 dave smith
1:123/200 allie prather
1:123/755 james digriz
1:135/300 eric renfro
1:261/1466 dale shipp
1:3634/12.73 my point
1:3634/15 bill burton
1:3634/24 richard miles
1:3634/27 david westphalen
1:3634/119 edward rempala
1:299/6 dean lodge
1:300/4 john porterfield
2:222/2 kim heino
2:240/1120 ulrich schroeter
2:5020/1042 michael dukelsky
i know that more than one of the above systems is multi-linked to this and other areas because of the dupes my tosser records as it processes the mail... my tosser does not place dupes in my local message bases but it does pass them on to linked systems not already listed in the seenbys...
my tosser has not seen any echomail messages with janis in the from field at all in the month of march... not even any seen as dupes based on the MSGID...
Sam Penwright wrote to Sean Dennis <=-
I understand what you're trying to accomplish, Sam, but there is more to this than you realize and trying to intervene in this won't do anything but
irritate people. So I'm asking you ncely to leave it alone.
My name is spelled "Sean" by the way.
my tosser has not seen any echomail messages with janis in the from
field at all in the month of march... not even any seen as dupes based
on the MSGID...
These are the seen+by's and p@th of Janis mail as it arrived here 3 times:
Your system is in there...
Maybe your still in Janis's config and her system added the seen+by
for your system, and it is waiting in her outbound to be picked up by
your system?
Your system is in there...
i see that :/
the question is which of those systems in the paths you show put my system in the seenbys...
Maybe your still in Janis's config and her system added the seen+by
for your system, and it is waiting in her outbound to be picked up by
your system?
that's possible, i guess...
[time passes]
nope... i just polled 1:261/38 and there was no traffic transferred in either direction... she might still have my system listed somewhere in her config... i guess that might be a possibility...
good guess, though...
My bad. This was Janis' post about the vultures:
MSGID: 1:261/38.0 f49993b7
in this echo?
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TITLe: RAR International Support Echo
Language: ENGLISH
DESCription:
An International conference to provide support and technical assistance
for
users and prospective users of the RAR archiver.
Topics may include: Questions and answers on how to use the various
features of RAR, Bug reports,
Information on where to obtain copies of RAR and related programs.
Announcements for RAR will be made by the RAR-FDN Coordinator.
RULEs: {Not Found}
MODerator: Vince Coen, 2:250/1
DISTribution: Z1,Z2,Z3,Z4 BACKBONE
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From: Vince Coen, 2:250/1
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Eh... Really Vince??
Why exactly did you do this?
I swear to god it's like the vultures are f'n loose in fidonet... Geez.
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DESCription:
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Topics may include: Questions and answers on how to use the various
features of RAR, Bug reports,
Information on where to obtain copies of RAR and related programs.
Announcements for RAR will be made by the RAR-FDN Coordinator.
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DISTribution: Z1,Z2,Z3,Z4 BACKBONE
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From: Vince Coen, 2:250/1
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Eh... Really Vince??
Why exactly did you do this?
I swear to god it's like the vultures are f'n loose in fidonet...
Geez.
It's good to see you back Janis.
@SEEN-BY: 10/0 1 15/0 19/36 102/401 103/1 705 106/201 116/18 128/2
153/757 7715 @SEEN-BY: 214/22 218/0 1 109 650 700 720 802 840 850 860
870 880 221/6 222/2 @SEEN-BY: 229/426 230/150 152 240/1120 250/1
261/38 100 1466 267/155 282/1056 @SEEN-BY: 291/100 111 301/1 320/119
219 340/400 341/66 396/45 640/1321 712/848 @SEEN-BY: 770/1 801/161 189 2320/105 3634/12 5020/1042 @PATH: 261/38 218/700 840 221/6
153/757 @MSGID: 1:261/38.0 f49993b7 @REPLY: 2:250/1@fidonet
47625d4a @TZUTC: -0500 @CHARSET: LATIN-1
nope... i just polled 1:261/38 and there was no traffic transferred in either direction... she might still have my system listed somewhere in
her config... i guess that might be a possibility...
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TITLe: RAR International Support Echo
Language: ENGLISH
DESCription:
An International conference to provide support and technical assistance
for
users and prospective users of the RAR archiver.
Topics may include: Questions and answers on how to use the various
features of RAR, Bug reports,
Information on where to obtain copies of RAR and related programs. Announcements for RAR will be made by the RAR-FDN Coordinator.
RULEs: {Not Found}
MODerator: Vince Coen, 2:250/1
DISTribution: Z1,Z2,Z3,Z4 BACKBONE
GATEway: NO
From: Vince Coen, 2:250/1
Updated on: 2022/02/02 and valid till 2022/08/31
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On 03-08-22 14:07, Wilfred Van Velzen <=-
spoke to Mark Lewis about Re: RAR Echolist Update <=-
SEEN+BY: 10/0 1 15/0 19/36 102/127 401 103/1 705 106/201 116/18 128/2 134/100 SEEN+BY: 153/105 135 757 7715 214/22 218/0 1 109 650 700 720
802 840 850 860 SEEN+BY: 218/870 880 221/6 222/2 229/426 230/150 152 240/1120 250/1 261/38 100 SEEN+BY: 261/1466 267/155 280/464 282/1056 291/100 111 301/1 320/119 219 SEEN+BY: 340/400 341/66 396/45 640/1321 712/848 770/1 801/161 189 2320/105 SEEN+BY: 3634/12 5020/1042
P@TH: 261/38 218/700 840 221/6 153/757
Your system is in there...
Maybe your still in Janis's config and her system added the
seen+by for your system, and it is waiting in her outbound
to be picked up by your system?
Janis Kracht wrote to Vincent Coen <=-
MODerator: Vince Coen, 2:250/1
DISTribution: Z1,Z2,Z3,Z4 BACKBONE
GATEway: NO
From: Vince Coen, 2:250/1
Updated on: 2022/02/02 and valid till 2022/08/31
Produced by Elist v5.2.034
-=:{ End of Report }:=-
Eh... Really Vince??
Why exactly did you do this?
I swear to god it's like the vultures are f'n loose in fidonet...
Geez.
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Eh... Really Vince??
Why exactly did you do this?
I swear to god it's like the vultures are f'n loose in fidonet...
Geez.
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Eh... Really Vince??
Why exactly did you do this?
I swear to god it's like the vultures are f'n loose in fidonet...
Geez.
Taken over then you left in a hurry with very little notice and I have not had
any msg regarding of your current status.
Janis Kracht wrote to Vincent Coen <=-
MODerator: Vince Coen, 2:250/1
DISTribution: Z1,Z2,Z3,Z4 BACKBONE
GATEway: NO
From: Vince Coen, 2:250/1
Updated on: 2022/02/02 and valid till 2022/08/31
Produced by Elist v5.2.034
-=:{ End of Report }:=-
Eh... Really Vince??
Why exactly did you do this?
I swear to god it's like the vultures are f'n loose in fidonet...
Geez.
Ummmmmmmmm, could it be because you up and left in a hissy fit, with no warning and no explanation?
And now you're back, with no explanation as to what went on?
Could *THAT* be the reason that others "took over" stuff you were doing,
but abandoned? Ya think?
Sean was gracious enough to take over the FidoGazette, so everything
is cool as far as I'm concerned.
Janis Kracht wrote to Dan Clough <=-
I swear to god it's like the vultures are f'n loose in fidonet...
Geez.
Ummmmmmmmm, could it be because you up and left in a hissy fit, with no warning and no explanation?
Sorry, you are wrong there - it was NOT a 'hissy fit' "with no
warning and no explanation". I contacted as many people as I
could to let them know I _had_ to leave because of finances.
Then, as it turned out I _didn't_ need to leave so I'm back -
aren't you happy...
Ron's job is fine, our $$ is fine and I'm happy to not be
involved in as many things as I was (like you care Lol).
Sean was gracious enough to take over the FidoGazette, so
everything is cool as far as I'm concerned.
And now you're back, with no explanation as to what went on?
Could *THAT* be the reason that others "took over" stuff you were doing,
but abandoned? Ya think?
I never abandoned the RAR echo, I was the current elisted
moderator until Vince decided _he_ wanted to take it over. As
you should know, there is no requirement to be "in" Fidonet to be
a moderator.
Authors are still sending me files they would like distributed,
so when they do so, I will continue to get them in the various
file echos like the PDN and Util*net areas.
Sorry, you are wrong there - it was NOT a 'hissy fit'
"with no warning and no explanation". I contacted as
many people as I could to let them know I _had_ to leave
because of finances. Then, as it turned out I _didn't_
need to leave so I'm back - aren't you happy...
I never abandoned the RAR echo, I was the current elisted
moderator until Vince decided _he_ wanted to take it over.
As you should know, there is no requirement to be "in"
Fidonet to be a moderator.
** On Wednesday 09.03.22 - 20:39, you wrote to Dan Clough:
Sorry, you are wrong there - it was NOT a 'hissy fit'
"with no warning and no explanation". I contacted as
many people as I could to let them know I _had_ to leave
because of finances. Then, as it turned out I _didn't_
need to leave so I'm back - aren't you happy...
Doesn't matter. Your message of the following:
To: /FIDO2/FIDOGAZETTE (All)
From: Janis Kracht @ 1:261/38 (<<PRISM BBS, Slaterville Springs NY) Subject: Bad news
Software: BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-5
Path: 1:396/45!261/38 396/45
Date: We 29.12.21, 13:19 (received: 29.12.21, 18:23)
MID: 1:261/38.0 9636d946
..specifically said "taking down all of the servers..
permanently" What part of that is supposed to indicate that
you would be coming back, maintain your links, or maintain your
passwords, or anything.
I never abandoned the RAR echo, I was the current elisted
moderator until Vince decided _he_ wanted to take it over.
As you should know, there is no requirement to be "in"
Fidonet to be a moderator.
Wrt to moderatorship of an echo, perhaps that CAN be maintained
with other access points, but a message of "down.. permanently"
gives a different impression to many.
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Language: ENGLISH
DESCription:
An International conference to provide support and technical
assistance for users and prospective users of the RAR archiver.
Topics may include: Questions and answers on how to use the various
features of RAR, Bug reports, Information on where to obtain copies
of RAR and related programs. Announcements for RAR will be made by
the RAR-FDN Coordinator.
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Eh... Really Vince??
Why exactly did you do this?
I swear to god it's like the vultures are f'n loose in fidonet...
Geez.
On 03-11-22 16:11, Vincent Coen <=-
spoke to Janis Kracht about RAR Echolist Update <=-
I really have better things to do than be forced to take over
echo areas to keep them in elist along with all the other stuff I
currently have to deal with !
Question: had the listing for that echo expired when you "were forced
to take over the echo area"?
Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)
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