• Re: Dad'ism

    From Chad Adams@1:19/37 to Charles Stephenson on Sat Apr 25 23:17:40 2020
    I love Yahtzee! We did the boardgame thing too, it was hard to have my kids turn off their cellphones during family night, they aced like I
    just did the mst utmost evil thing in the world! They started out mad,
    but got into it after time. I think it was more of a 'giving in' thing, because I wasn't gonna stop! Regards,
    KrUpTiOn
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    My kids aren't at that age yet.... I am dreading it...

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  • From Charles Stephenson@1:226/16 to Chad Adams on Wed May 6 02:33:42 2020
    On Apr 26th 1:00 am Chad Adams said...
    but got into it after time. I think it was more of a 'giving in'
    thing,
    because I wasn't gonna stop! Regards,
    KrUpTiOn
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    My kids aren't at that age yet.... I am dreading it...
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    Those days will be here faster than you think, then you'll miss THESE days! I've shed a few 'dad tears' thinking about the diaper days. I used to hate them so, but I really do miss their stinky butts! :')



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  • From Richard Miles@1:3634/24 to Charles Stephenson on Wed May 6 06:05:02 2020
    On 06 May 2020, Charles Stephenson said the following...

    Those days will be here faster than you think, then you'll miss THESE days! I've shed a few 'dad tears' thinking about the diaper days. I used to hate them so, but I really do miss their stinky butts! :')

    Have a new granddaughter here so I am getting to relive some of that. Time definitely paints things in a much rosier light, that's for sure.

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  • From Dennisk@3:633/416 to Charles Stephenson on Wed May 6 21:53:00 2020
    Charles Stephenson wrote to Chad Adams <=-


    On Apr 26th 1:00 am Chad Adams said...
    but got into it after time. I think it was more of a 'giving in'
    thing,
    because I wasn't gonna stop! Regards,
    KrUpTiOn
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    (1:226/17)



    My kids aren't at that age yet.... I am dreading it...
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    Those days will be here faster than you think, then you'll miss THESE days! I've shed a few 'dad tears' thinking about the diaper days. I
    used to hate them so, but I really do miss their stinky butts! :')

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    I can't say I miss those days. The important milestones are when they learn to wipe the own orifices. It is great to know your child can go to the toilet, without your assistance. That is the age they can stay.


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  • From Charles Stephenson@1:226/17 to Richard Miles on Mon May 11 04:43:32 2020
    Re: Dad'ism
    By: Richard Miles to Charles Stephenson on Wed May 06 2020 06:05 am

    Have a new granddaughter here so I am getting to relive some of that. Time definitely paints things in a much rosier light, that's for sure.

    One of the wonderful things about being a grandparent I learned from the very first day. Sugar up the grands, and send them back to the parents! >:)
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  • From Charles Stephenson@1:226/17 to Dennisk on Mon May 11 04:45:52 2020
    Re: Re: Dad'ism
    By: Dennisk to Charles Stephenson on Wed May 06 2020 09:53 pm

    I can't say I miss those days. The important milestones are when they learn to wipe the own orifices. It is great to know your child can go to the toilet, without your assistance. That is the age they can stay.



    I thought that the first few years too, then I missed it! I knew the problems my kids would have, I could easily fix while they were in diapers. :(

    Now they're out in the same world as me, and that world is turning to crap. All I want to do is protect them!
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  • From Dennisk@3:633/416 to Charles Stephenson on Tue May 12 08:53:00 2020
    Charles Stephenson wrote to Dennisk <=-

    Re: Re: Dad'ism
    By: Dennisk to Charles Stephenson on Wed May 06 2020 09:53 pm

    I can't say I miss those days. The important milestones are when they learn to wipe the own orifices. It is great to know your child can go to the toilet, without your assistance. That is the age they can stay.



    I thought that the first few years too, then I missed it! I knew the problems my kids would have, I could easily fix while they were in diapers. :(

    Now they're out in the same world as me, and that world is turning to crap. All I want to do is protect them!
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    I hear you, and I do see your point. The mess in the nappies is far better to deal with than the mess in the real world. That is the hardest part of being a father, having your generation leave a good legacy for the next one. I kind of think that when you become a parent, that is just as much a responsibility of yours, as is feeding them and cleaning them.

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  • From Doug Cooper@1:227/702 to Dennisk on Sat May 30 20:36:06 2020
    Replying to both ... my apologies, my fingers are on fire this evening ...
    too many post replies ...

    VERY well said. I couldn't have said it better myself. I personally t to follow that creed, I won't say I do it often, but I DO, do it. I need to do more. And then, that's never enough. I used to be active i teen activities, groups and clubs. Its been years though. *I* need to do more.

    CS -- I tried various clubs and was disappointed. Most were just rich old
    guys writing checks and meeting weekly for lunch. Any actual volunteer work they conjured up did not really sit well as being helpful to the community,
    nor the world. And, when I would participate, those writing the checks were never there. So .. I flipped a lot of hot dogs and sorted a lot of canned goods at the food pantry, while they wrote checks to suppor them and moved on with their pretensious week. What have you found most valueble to teach your kids through action, that falls in line with being responsible to more then just ones household?

    It is hard to do, but its good to hear people at least acknowledge it. Often one feels powerless to do the right thing, especially when your
    job depends on you acting to the contrary. But even speaking up, or
    just letting others know that there is a conflict is much better than nothing.

    I quit corporate life for the very reason of most conflicting wtih my
    policital or social views. I do not mean this maliciously, hoowever if my
    mom had not passed, I'd still be required to work for corporations. I was blessed with a mom that saved every penny she could her entire life. She
    never made more than $15 per hour at most, that I recall, but she saved much more then I thought a person could at that type of pay -- especially living
    in new york.

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  • From Dennis Katsonis@1:124/5016 to Doug Cooper on Sat May 30 20:31:10 2020
    Re: Re: Dad'ism
    By: Doug Cooper to Dennisk on Sat May 30 2020 20:36:07

    I quit corporate life for the very reason of most conflicting wtih my policital or social views. I do not mean this maliciously, hoowever if my mom had not passed, I'd still be required to work for corporations. I was blessed with a mom that saved every penny she could her entire life. She never made more than $15 per hour at most, that I recall, but she saved much more then I thought a person could at that type of pay -- especially living in new york.

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    I wish I could do the same too. I could change careers, but that would result in a drop in salary that I can't really make work at the moment. I can't change the company from within, because no matter how much they talk about "values", they are all the same really. In fact, the MORE a company talks about value, the worse it behaves.
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  • From Doug Cooper@1:227/702 to Dennis Katsonis on Sat May 30 23:55:32 2020
    I wish I could do the same too. I could change careers, but that would result in a drop in salary that I can't really make work at the moment.
    I can't change the company from within, because no matter how much they talk about "values", they are all the same really. In fact, the MORE a company talks about value, the worse it behaves.
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    So funny you brought that up. My first real career was with a retailer
    within consumer electronics. They were the Nordstrum of electronics if you will. Instead of tile floors, carpet. Very "feel at home" paint colors. We offered every customer a pop or coffee (or bottle of water) when they
    arrived. We really prided ourselves and consistently executed their version
    of "The 10 commandments to customer service." People loved shopping in our stores. We averaged 30,000sqft in size, and carried everything best buy did, but also the high end shops.. We had no intent on selling al ot of $50,000 home theatre systems, however we had a high end movie theatre room set up for people to expeience ... actually had about 4 different type of experience rooms. Most customers came in wanting the $99 speakers. After experiencing
    a $20,000 audio system, then listing to the $99 version, they would typically spend an average of $1500 on at least definitive techology or klipsch
    speakers. I fell in love with the company and the people I worked with, however as we grew, profits were needed to sustain the growth, and slowly but inevitably a lot of the "10 commandments" went away -- the culture collapsed.

    After leaving that company, I started working for Sears as a General Manager.
    I remember them stating over and over again the need to learn things "their way," and about their unique culture of customer service. It pailed in comparison to where I had previously worked. matter of fact, the company was struggling so much that their expectations of a well merchandised store was impossible to maintain. I ran a 120,000sqft store that did 30 million per year. We would have ONE employee "approved" by the corporation to
    merchandise the entire upstairs apparel area, which on it's own was a good 20-40,000 sqft and heavily shopped.

    Moving on to another local company here in Indiana -- rinse and repeat --
    "Must laern our culture," "must learn what we do and how we do it," "must
    learn our systems," etc... It was ALL the same, but in this case, their
    culture was a very agressive sales approach like old school car dealerships. Horrible experience, despite the increase in pay.

    My final stop was Best Buy. Now this company really wanted me to drink some funky Koolaid -- build relationships, employee moral committies, etc.... It
    was tailored to 18 years olds with sensitive personalities that constantly needed pats on the back, and rewarded for simply doing their job. This is when my mom passed and I was able to break free of (circling back to what you're saying ...) corporations.

    I think, as I babbled, to your point .. what I found in common with ALL of them, is that each felt their culture was unique. Despite each being within the same industry and most using similar systems .. they each felt that they were so remarkably different that NONE of them were open to a fresh set of
    eyes who could possibly positivly impact their business. And most important, I've found that the cliche' "that we are no longer valued employees, just another disposable number," or "cog within a wheel," were all so true and
    often subtle messages sent to leaders as means of motivation to drive
    corporate goals.

    This is why I prefer small businesses, or interacting with those on BBS's,
    that still believe in doing great things, and the value of people helping
    them acheive it. Like a small business with the belief they can create a
    truly unique retail store, beit true or not that they will succeed, the
    energy and passion behind the hard work to do so is the only type of company I'd work for again -- otherwords, I'll just start my own again. More and
    more people seem to appreciate local and small businesses these days at least where I live. And I guess, how it relates to BBS's, I prefer to discuss "how to gain users" then to think of them as nothing more than "museums" and "archives in history"

    If you like the people you work with, and the work is fun, I imagine its
    worth staying as in my eperience, that experience is usually not recreated again when a job change is made within the same field. Most of the time.
    Not from a corporate culture prospective.

    Now .. .the owning a business thing has significant advantages, mostly flexibility of time and more time working from home in the presence of
    family. However, I learned over the last 7 years, it takes A LOT of business to make a decent personal income, as a result of the business expenses that become necessarry to meet demand if successful in the communities eye.

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  • From Charles Stephenson@1:226/16 to Dennisk on Mon Jun 1 18:23:04 2020

    On May 29th 5:01 am Dennisk said...
    It is hard to do, but its good to hear people at least acknowledge it. Often one feels powerless to do the right thing, especially when your job depends on you acting to the contrary. But even speaking up, or just letting others know that there is a conflict is much better than nothing.



    So so true. One thing that I've learned in my advancing age is to compromise. I don't take 'score' or do something in hopes I get something in return. I never really did things for that reason, but I always had a hint of hope in the back of my mind. I do things for others just because if I can, I do. I in no way have a lot. I prolly have less than the average person, but I am happy
    with what I have. I'm blessed. I don't argue, even when I know I'm right. I have had to catch myself. I have nothing to prove to anyone. I DO hope I can help SOMEone

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  • From Chad Adams@1:19/37 to Charles Stephenson on Wed Sep 23 21:49:48 2020
    Those days will be here faster than you think, then you'll miss THESE days! I've shed a few 'dad tears' thinking about the diaper days. I used





    I know what you mean!


    Sincerely,
    -Nugax
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