Caco Byte wrote to All <=-

Hello everybody! I'm having a little trouble connecting to some of my favourite BBS using SSH in Syncterm 1.1b.
I doesn't apply to every BBS I try to connect but in many cases I have this strange error message afterwards:

Error -16 activating session
Couldn't create ECDH ephemeral key data

I haven't seen that when I use SyncTerm, but I only use Telnet.

The error has to do with trying to set up the SSH connection.

"ECDH" is "Elliptic-curve Diffie-Hellman" and it's a method for 2 systems to exchange a key without transmitting the key in the clear. So that's why you only see it with ssh. Telnet isn't encrypted. Ssh is.

It only happens when trying SSH, it doesn't happnes in TELNET. Also, I
see it's independet of the system runing the BBS itself.
When I try the SSH command in a regular linux terminal I have no issues whatsoever so, it's safe to assume my username and password are not the problem but rather a syncterm handling the keys.

My guess is that SyncTerm is using an old library.

One thing that bit me with this at work had to do with TLS. The older TLS versions are being deprecated.

When the systems connect, they negotiate what version of TLS they will use. Some systems don't negotiate correctly and try to use a deprecated version of TLS. Policies on the computer may prevent that deprecated version of TLS from being used (either on the client or the host).


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On Wed 4-Mar-2020 7:01p, Ron Lauzon@1:275/89.0 said to Caco Byte:

Hello everybody! I'm having a little trouble connecting to some of my favourite BBS using SSH in Syncterm 1.1b.
I doesn't apply to every BBS I try to connect but in many cases I

have

this strange error message afterwards:

What version of Syncterm are you using? I may be using a older version and my SSH is working fine here.

I haven't seen that when I use SyncTerm, but I only use Telnet.

The error has to do with trying to set up the SSH connection.

"ECDH" is "Elliptic-curve Diffie-Hellman" and it's a method for 2 systems to
exchange a key without transmitting the key in the clear. So that's why you
only see it with ssh. Telnet isn't encrypted. Ssh is.

That is why I switched to using SSH. Some of the issues that only happens when I am using Syncterm is it will loose the mouse pointer and the login macro stop working. The only to fix it the issue is to restart Syncterm.
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That is why I switched to using SSH. Some of the issues that only happens w I am using Syncterm is it will loose the mouse pointer and the login macro stop working. The only to fix it the issue is to restart Syncterm.
--- CNet/5

Why is EVERYONE so afraid of things? Who the hell is gonna spy on a telnet connection? Better yet, WHAT are you doing on a BBS that you are worried you are being spied on? Telnet is fine.

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Re: Re: Syncterm error -16
By: T.J. Mcmillen to Phillip Taylor on Fri Feb 05 2021 04:48 pm

Why is EVERYONE so afraid of things? Who the hell is gonna spy on a telnet connection? Better yet, WHAT are you doing on a BBS that you are worried you are being spied on? Telnet is fine.

Telnet is a great thing, I use it all the time.

Secure protocols are great too.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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On 05 Feb 2021, T.J. Mcmillen said the following...

Why is EVERYONE so afraid of things? Who the hell is gonna spy on a telnet connection? Better yet, WHAT are you doing on a BBS that you
are worried you are being spied on? Telnet is fine.

Plotting World domination? Exchanging videos of the Fido *Cs dancing naked around the Maypole? You know, the usual.

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i wish WINS supported SSH
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Re: Re: Syncterm error -16
By: SCOTT LABRECQUE to Alan Ianson on Fri Feb 05 2021 11:35 pm

i wish WINS supported SSH

I'm not sure WINS is still in active development but if it is I would support the addition of ssh if at all possible.

I'll still call a BBS that is just telnet but secure protocols are preferred.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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On 05 Feb 21 21:40:59, Charles Pierson said the following to T.J. Mcmillen:

Why is EVERYONE so afraid of things? Who the hell is gonna spy on a telnet connection? Better yet, WHAT are you doing on a BBS that you are worried you are being spied on? Telnet is fine.

Plotting World domination? Exchanging videos of the Fido *Cs dancing naked around the Maypole? You know, the usual.

I only appear nude in videos if its tasteful and organic to the plot.

Nick

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On 06 Feb 2021, Nick Andre said the following...

Plotting World domination? Exchanging videos of the Fido *Cs dancing around the Maypole? You know, the usual.

I only appear nude in videos if its tasteful and organic to the plot.

You had to make the cowbell stand out.

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Re: Re: Syncterm error -16
By: Ib Joe to Alan Ianson on Sat Feb 06 2021 10:54 am

It is... Hector seems to put all, or most, of his effort on the web side of the package.. Anyway... most of the BBS users just use the telnet side..

I think it is the complexity and dependencies of ssh that holds it back.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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it's "semi active". Santronics still markets it, and offers support for
it. Trickling in are minor features, as well as stuff the remaining
enterprise customers need to keep it going. I don't forseeing him
offering SSH/RLOGIN as connection options. I'm still glad we have telnet
access ;)


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Re: Re: Syncterm error -16
By: SCOTT LABRECQUE to Alan Ianson on Sat Feb 06 2021 01:46 am

I don't forseeing him offering SSH/RLOGIN as connection options. I'm still glad we have telnet access ;)

You never know what might happen in the future. In the mean time we use what we have.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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This is odd ... I never got this message, but I got the reply you wrote.

Investigating.

Wow .. I never got any of these ....

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Okay got these ....

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Should be fixed now.

This one came thru to my BBS ... so we'll play it by ear ....

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That is why I switched to using SSH. Some of the issues that only happen
I am using Syncterm is it will loose the mouse pointer and the login mac
stop working. The only to fix it the issue is to restart Syncterm.
--- CNet/5

Why is EVERYONE so afraid of things? Who the hell is gonna spy on a telnet
connection? Better yet, WHAT are you doing on a BBS that you are worried y
are being spied on? Telnet is fine.

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I think everyone is shit crazy about security these days. To me, SSH
takes away the fun of accessing a BBS. I agree with you. What is one
doing a BBS that requires a secure connection anyway? Most BBSes only
has for a username and password and nothing else.

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Why is EVERYONE so afraid of things? Who the hell is gonna spy on a te
connection? Better yet, WHAT are you doing on a BBS that you are worri
are being spied on? Telnet is fine.

Flirting with Violet in Lord could be seen by some women as "cheating".

ROTFLMAO!!!

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Re: Re: Syncterm error -16
By: SCOTT LABRECQUE to Alan Ianson on Fri Feb 05 2021 11:35 pm

i wish WINS supported SSH

I'm not sure WINS is still in active development but if it is I would suppor
the addition of ssh if at all possible.

I'll still call a BBS that is just telnet but secure protocols are preferred

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Actually, WINS is still in development, updated, supported, and sold -- http://www.santronics.com.

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Re: Re: Syncterm error -16
By: SCOTT LABRECQUE to Alan Ianson on Fri Feb 05 2021 11:35 pm

i wish WINS supported SSH

I'm not sure WINS is still in active development but if it is I would

support

the addition of ssh if at all possible.

I'll still call a BBS that is just telnet but secure protocols are

preferred.

It is... Hector seems to put all, or most, of his effort on the web side
of the package.. Anyway... most of the BBS users just use the telnet
side..

Joe Schweier

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If you want a secure connection, stick with https on the web side and
stay off the telnet side.

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It is... Hector seems to put all, or most, of his effort on the web side of the package.. Anyway... most of the BBS users just use the telnet side..

Joe Schweier

If you want a secure connection, stick with https on the web side and
stay off the telnet side.

I cannot seem to logon to the web side of my BBS... And that doesn't
hide the fact that Hector should add SSH to the terminal side.
WINServer is a spectacular package, just lacks on the terminal side of
the BBS... Too Bad!!!

Joe Schweier
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It is... Hector seems to put all, or most, of his effort on the web si
of the package.. Anyway... most of the BBS users just use the telnet side..

Joe Schweier

If you want a secure connection, stick with https on the web side and stay off the telnet side.

I cannot seem to logon to the web side of my BBS... And that doesn't
hide the fact that Hector should add SSH to the terminal side.
WINServer is a spectacular package, just lacks on the terminal side of
the BBS... Too Bad!!!

Joe Schweier
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Why can't you log in to the telnet side of your BBS? I can just fine.
:)

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It is... Hector seems to put all, or most, of his effort on the web si
of the package.. Anyway... most of the BBS users just use the telnet side..

Joe Schweier

If you want a secure connection, stick with https on the web side and stay off the telnet side.

I cannot seem to logon to the web side of my BBS... And that doesn't
hide the fact that Hector should add SSH to the terminal side.
WINServer is a spectacular package, just lacks on the terminal side of
the BBS... Too Bad!!!

Joe Schweier
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Oh, the WEB side. Might want to mention this in WILDCAT!_SUPPORT so we
can try to help you out more there since it is BBS software-specific.

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It is... Hector seems to put all, or most, of his effort on the web si

of the package.. Anyway... most of the BBS users just use the telnet
side..

Joe Schweier

If you want a secure connection, stick with https on the web side and
stay off the telnet side.

I cannot seem to logon to the web side of my BBS... And that doesn't hide the fact that Hector should add SSH to the terminal side.
WINServer is a spectacular package, just lacks on the terminal side of the BBS... Too Bad!!!

Why can't you log in to the telnet side of your BBS? I can just fine.
:)

I cannot log onto the HTML side...

Given up for a bit.. :)


Joe
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whatis the editor mod 2.1?
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whatis the editor mod 2.1?
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(3:640/1115)

It is a modification to EDITOR.WC that forces the user to enter a
message into the line editor (but the user can go back to the FSE if
they want to) which enables tagline edition. I plan on additng
signature text file addition to it at some point.

I also plan on adding a "profanity check before send" feature in the
not too distant future as well.

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Re: Re: Syncterm error -16
By: ROBERT WOLFE to Ib Joe on Thu Feb 18 2021 11:01 am

Why can't you log in to the telnet side of your BBS? I can just fine.
:)

I cannot log on to the web side of my BBS
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