Terrible tragedy that should not have happened!

RIP to the two pilots, and may their family and friends find peace..

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Terrible tragedy that should not have happened!

RIP to the two pilots, and may their family and friends find peace..

You know, accidents such as this are avoidable, they do not happen but are commited.

And now the finger-pointing will start. Let's find someone to blame.

people having regularly flown through LGA or DCA will not be surprised when things happened there.

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On Tue 24-Mar-2026 12:44p, Ward Dossche@2:292/854.0 said to Rug Rat:

And now the finger-pointing will start. Let's find someone to blame.

Naw, I will leave the finger pointing to the Facebook Aviation Experts...

As long as I don't hear the words "DEI" being throw around, I'll be able to stick to it that.. :D

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Hello Ward!

24 Mar 26 12:44, you wrote to Rug Rat:

Terrible tragedy that should not have happened!

RIP to the two pilots, and may their family and friends find
peace..

You know, accidents such as this are avoidable, they do not happen but
are commited.

And now the finger-pointing will start. Let's find someone to blame.

people having regularly flown through LGA or DCA will not be surprised
when things happened there.

This, clearly was an error of ATC But the fire truck driver SHOULD have looked both ways up/down runway as well as slightly upwards in both directions before entering the runway.

This procedure applies to all pilots and ground vehicles.
OK It did when I used a such to cross runways or in fact even on taxi ways.

Totally lax procedures at this airport and the administration and the FAA must take responsibility for it - but they no doubt will be trying to pass the buck.


Vincent


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You know, accidents such as this are avoidable, they do not happen but are commited.

And now the finger-pointing will start. Let's find someone to blame.

people having regularly flown through LGA or DCA will not be surprised when things happened there.

Don't know about LGA but Reagan National (DCA) is one I have flown through
(in 2008) and I would be more surprised there.


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RIP to the two pilots, and may their family and friends find peace..

You know, accidents such as this are avoidable, they do not happen

>but are commited.

And now the finger-pointing will start. Let's find someone to blame.

From what I've heard there were 2 air traffic controllers working and
there were 2 emergencies that happened at the same time which started
the incident BUT it looks like the problem that caused the accident
was the fire truck stopped hearing what the tower was saying. They
were told to stop several times before they drove across the runway.

There were also supposed to be lights that would have told the
truck that the runway was 'in use' but the news wasn't sure they
were there or functioning. They also figured one of the people
in the truck should have been able to see the plane coming in if
he'd looked, possibly in the mirror.

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There were also supposed to be lights that would have told the
truck that the runway was 'in use' but the news wasn't sure they
were there or functioning. They also figured one of the people
in the truck should have been able to see the plane coming in if
he'd looked, possibly in the mirror.

Late hours, tiredness, dark, La Guardia at night is like a Christmas tree, so many light so there will be many contributing factors.

But I've been airside at airports more than once, also in cockpits of commercial airliners and I remember when crossing a runway, even with permission, always look left and right before you continue. It takes only a second.

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The one thing we can be sure of..

There will be a lot of holes in this Swiss Cheese.

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There were also supposed to be lights that would have told the
truck that the runway was 'in use' but the news wasn't sure they
were there or functioning. They also figured one of the people
in the truck should have been able to see the plane coming in if
he'd looked, possibly in the mirror.

Late hours, tiredness, dark, La Guardia at night is like a Christmas tree, so

>ny light so there will be many contributing factors.

But I've been airside at airports more than once, also in cockpits of commerc

> airliners and I remember when crossing a runway, even with permission, alway
>ook left and right before you continue. It takes only a second.

Yes,the tape of the conversation showed the tower telling the fire
truck to stop 3 times before it pulled out causing the accident so,
regardless of everything else, that seems to be what really caused
the whole thing. Why could they no longer hear the tower after they
were first given permission to cross the runway?..

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Hey Rob,

Yes,the tape of the conversation showed the tower telling the fire
truck to stop 3 times before it pulled out causing the accident so, regardless of everything else, that seems to be what really caused
the whole thing. Why could they no longer hear the tower after they
were first given permission to cross the runway?..

From what I read (and heard), the tower controller indeed called "stop stop stop" but at first did not mention who had to stop nor where. Only after that did he mention "Truck 1" and my assumption is that at that time it was already too late. It went so fast.

I'm certain the NTSB will get to the bottom of this.

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