• Floyd

    From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Tim Richardson on Sat Jun 6 02:53:04 2020
    On 06-05-20 18:38, Tim Richardson <=-
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    Reports are that Floyd had just tried to pass a couple of counterfeit
    $20 bills.

    I.e. a misdemeanor -- not a felony. He might have not even been aware
    that it was counterfeit.

    Which may be why the cops had come in contact with him to begin with.

    Struth.

    Secondly, although the treatment of him during the arrest was in-excusable, and the cop who was kneeling on him such that it put him
    in dire life threatening danger should be prosecuted, Floyd is hardly
    the stuff of martyrs.

    It was not just inexcusable, it was criminal. And Floyd has become a
    martyr as a result of the fact that the crime was so clearly and
    publically documented.

    According to his past record he was a convicted felon. He had arrests
    for drug possession, theft, and was convicted of an armed robbery in
    2007 for which he was sentenced to five years in prison. In the course
    of that armed robbery he held a gun to a woman's stomach and threatened
    to kill her if the money wasn't forthcoming!

    I.e. a decade ago and something that should not have even been a part of
    the current incident.

    He had been living a good and legal life since he was released from
    prison.

    Theft, various counts of possession of cocaine, criminal trespass, and
    he also used several aliases. According to a toxicology report he had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system when he died.

    Those are drugs sometimes prescribed for pain management. The question
    might be whether or not the presence of those drugs was prescribed or
    not.

    He and the cop responsible for his death knew each other and worked together. They were on some sort of security team at a night club.

    Which might elevate the murder charges to first degree if Chauvin had a
    beef against Floyd at that club.


    Questions of `how did Floyd get such a job with his record'....`was
    there some sort of grudge between him and the cop who caused his
    death?' won't come up anytime soon.

    OH? People who have served time should not be hired in spite of having
    no record or offenses for years? Is that your considered opinion?

    Anyway, none of that matters to the left....they were looking for an excuse to get a free new plasma tv and a bunch of top shelf whiskey,
    and Floyd is a bolt out of the blue for them.

    What does left or right have to do with looters. They are opportunist criminals and should not be equated with peaceful protesters.

    His death was unnecessary. Even prosecutable. But not in any way an
    excuse for murder, looting and arson.

    His "crime", if there was one, was not in any way an excuse for murder.
    There is never any excuse for looting and arson -- but you should not
    paint all of the thousands of peaceful protesters with that brush.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Tue Jun 9 09:47:20 2020
    Consider the possibility -- he works a bar. The bar takes in a lot of

    You're a nice guy for wanting to give a suspect the benefit of the doubt. There's a possibility that he didn't know he was passing a counterfeit bill.

    bill. If he were knowingly passing counterfit currency, wouldn't he
    have left the area?

    Not all criminals think alike, but maybe the store had surveillance cameras
    and maybe his plan was to play dumb if caught.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Jun 10 06:21:28 2020
    On 09 Jun 2020 at 09:47a, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    Consider the possibility -- he works a bar. The bar takes in a lot o

    You're a nice guy for wanting to give a suspect the benefit of the doubt. There's a possibility that he didn't know he was passing a counterfeit bill.

    You must be confused. Chauvin is the suspect. George Floyd
    is a murder victim.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Jun 9 22:27:48 2020
    What has happened to George Floyd was tragic and wrong, but why does America have to put with it's cities in many cases with the burning, rioting and looting. I hear the chants in the street demanding respect, but your
    standing in the middle of the street being a menace to society, as you
    in-peed traffic and many cases like what happened in Albany, NY as you force Exit 6 off of Interstate I-90 to close to all traffic again because your standing in the middle of the street being a menace. You're looting department stores walking out with 60" + TV's that you didn't pay for. You're destroying Black businesses, your killing other black people. Yet your scream and chant as you continue to demand respect.

    It's does not work like that.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Jun 14 15:51:40 2020
    Hello Greg,

    What has happened to George Floyd was tragic and wrong, but why does America
    have to put with it's cities in many cases with the burning, rioting and looting.

    All violence and acts of violence should be condemned. Including
    burning, rioting and looting. And anything else that is detructive.
    Makes no difference who commits such acts. The color of one's skin
    does not make someone right or wrong. ALL VIOLENCE IS EVIL!

    I hear the chants in the street demanding respect,

    Thank God for the First Amendment!

    but your standing in the middle of the street being a menace to society,

    Thank God for "the right of the people peacably to assemble" -
    as noted in the First Amendment!

    as you in-peed traffic and many cases like what happened in Albany, NY as
    you force Exit 6 off of Interstate I-90 to close to all traffic again
    because your standing in the middle of the street being a menace.

    Thank God for the right "to petition the Government for a redress
    of grievances" - as noted in the First Amendment!

    You're looting department stores walking out with 60" + TV's that you didn't
    pay for.

    General Honor‚ said they were only looting shoes, which is why
    he refused to obey the governor's orders to have the National Guard
    shoot them with live ammo. But that was in Louisiana, not New York.

    You're destroying Black businesses, your killing other black people.

    Most of the city was destroyed after Katrina left it underwater.
    Black folks were just saving what little that remained from inside
    those buildings.

    During the current coronavirus pandemic, folks are just saving
    what remained from businesses that had been shut down. The owners
    don't mind, as they know the Congress will bail them out.

    Yet your scream and chant as you continue to demand respect.

    Black Lives Matter!

    It's does not work like that.

    Yes it does. But only when you take a knee.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Fri Jun 12 08:25:54 2020
    His "crime", if there was one, was not in any way an excuse for murder. There is never any excuse for looting and arson -- but you should not paint all of the thousands of peaceful protesters with that brush.

    Maybe we could consider looking at the truth as we open our eyes and see what is going on in many cities of these so called peaceful protests.
    The aftershock of what happened.
    Why is there a national movement, to de-fund the Police.
    Why are classic cartoons being edited.
    If TV program has anything to do with the Police it's being removed, such as the TV program COPS which has been on the air for 30+ years.
    Even the classic Gone with the Wind is being removed from HBO
    Dukes of Hazard being removed from streaming services.
    Statures be called to take them down, who's next Lady Liberty?
    National Treasures in Washington, D.C. being defaced with BLM just
    about everywhere you look and even painted on the Street.

    These people chant about wanting and demanding respect and equality.
    As far as equality they are as free as I am or as you are.
    They stand there in the middle of the street, blocking and traffic and in
    some case closing down the street off of a Interstate Highway.

    George Floyd was a not a good guy, but he did NOT deserve to die.
    There are many just like George Floyd who are very much alive and up to no good. His death was unfortunate but COPS lives matter too and have families to support. Why is it never mentioned if he didn't commit the crime of stealing
    he would still be living and breathing today.
    It's the same story with Michael Brown another thug in another city.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Wed Jul 1 07:41:04 2020
    On 16 Jun 2020, Dan Cross said the following...

    Why are you against the police?

    I really do think that your in a alternate universe.

    I'm not against the Police.

    You can't assert that all lives matter unless you assert
    that black lives matter.

    Does not ALL include everyone?

    The people within the BLM movement are reaching for respect and equality.
    They are proving the superiority of the WHITE race, every-time they

    * conduct a peaceful-protest that at times turns into ugly into a riot.
    * painting of streets with words that can be seen for several blocks.
    * in-peed traffic as they stand in the middle of the street.
    * pulling down statutes.
    * re-naming food with African-American likeness.
    * call for the de-funding the Police.
    * burning down a business where of one of their own "black man" was shot and
    killed. All because he wrestled with the cops and resisted arrest.
    * De-facing National monuments w/ spray payment.
    * Act like wild animals -as they loot - no "work boots" being taken though..
    * Smashing windows and destroying business's as these cockroaches
    move down the street.

    If this mob ever threatens my family, I can promise all who read this that "these" Black Lives won't matter anymore.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Wed Jul 1 07:59:54 2020

    Yes -- you should open your eyes and your mind. There was rioting and looting by a small number of opportunists at first. That has been replaced by peaceful people protesting the systemic injustice that has been going on for a long time.

    Why do people on the left always portray the numbers to be small and suggest that a small number of opportunists when they know dam well within their
    heart of hearts that the number is much larger then they care to admit.
    This is not a small number hooligans, as your suggesting...

    Open your eyes to realize the number is much bigger and much more of a
    problem.

    Why is there a national movement, to de-fund the Police.

    To take some of the money used for violent interaction with the people
    and put it towards more productive community service. It does not mean
    to eliminate the police.

    The violent interaction comes when these people think they can not adhere to the Police direction and instruction.

    These people chant about wanting and demanding respect and equality. As far as equality they are as free as I am or as you are.

    You need to open your eyes and mind. The people at the heart of the protests are not as free as you or I.

    Please explain how they are not free?
    With the same level of freedom as you or myself.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Jul 2 00:50:36 2020
    On 01 Jul 2020 at 07:41a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    On 16 Jun 2020, Dan Cross said the following...

    Why are you against the police?

    I really do think that your in a alternate universe.

    "you're"

    But no. You want the police to do SO MUCH that's way
    outside of their domain. They're not marriage counselors,
    substance abuse counselors, detox specialists, psychologists
    and SO MUCH MORE that we ask them to do EVERY DAY.

    What other explanation can there POSSIBLY be for someone
    like you who thinks that they should do ALL of those things
    other than that you are anti-police?

    I'm not against the Police.

    Yes you are.

    You can't assert that all lives matter unless you assert
    that black lives matter.

    Does not ALL include everyone?

    That's my point: you can't just go around bleating "all lives
    matter" or "blue lives matter" if you cannot bring yourself to
    ALSO say: "black lives matter."

    Go ahead and say it right here. Prove me wrong. Don't equivocate;
    just say "black lives matter." I DARE YOU.

    The people within the BLM movement are reaching for respect and equality. They are proving the superiority of the WHITE race, every-time they

    So you admit that you think that the "white" race is superior?
    Thanks for at least admitting you're a white supremacist.

    If this mob ever threatens my family, I can promise all who read this
    that "these" Black Lives won't matter anymore.

    You've already shown that you think they don't and never have.

    Like I said. You don't think that all lives matter because
    you specifically don't think that black lives matter.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Jul 2 00:51:26 2020
    On 01 Jul 2020 at 07:59a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    Open your eyes to realize the number is much bigger and much more of a problem.

    Indeed. The problem is you and other white supremacists.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Jul 2 02:22:00 2020
    On 07-01-20 07:59, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-

    Yes -- you should open your eyes and your mind. There was rioting and looting by a small number of opportunists at first. That has been replaced by peaceful people protesting the systemic injustice that has been going on for a long time.

    Why do people on the left always portray the numbers to be small and suggest that a small number of opportunists when they know dam well
    within their heart of hearts that the number is much larger then they
    care to admit. This is not a small number hooligans, as your suggesting...

    Numbers are numbers. I do not portray them, I report or analyze them.
    Why do you portray them as being much bigger than they are?

    Open your eyes to realize the number is much bigger and much more of a problem.

    Open your eyes and ears and listen. How much rioting and looting has
    happened since the initial surge -- which was caused by no where all of
    the protestors. The answer is that there have been many days without
    any incident caused by the protestors.


    Why is there a national movement, to de-fund the Police.

    To take some of the money used for violent interaction with the people
    and put it towards more productive community service. It does not mean to eliminate the police.

    The violent interaction comes when these people think they can not
    adhere to the Police direction and instruction.

    The violent interaction comes when the police lose respect for the fact
    that all people are human beings and deserve to be treated as such --
    and that people are not to be shot in the back or stomped on the neck
    until dead.

    These people chant about wanting and demanding
    respect and equality.
    As far as equality they are as free as I am or as you are.

    You need to open your eyes and mind. The people at the heart of the protests are not as free as you or I.

    Please explain how they are not free?
    With the same level of freedom as you or myself.

    Are they free to move into your neighborhood and not be subjected to
    predujice and scorn? Are they free to have equal schools? Are they
    free to walk or jog down your street without someone deciding that they
    do not belong and then chase them down with guns? Are they free to get
    on an elevator without noticing that the woman who is there tightens her
    grip on her purse?

    Within my lifetime, I can recall going into a restaurant for lunch and observing a black couple who had to go to the back door and get food to
    eat in their car. I can recall that my schools had no black students.
    I can recall observing black analysts being denied promotion for no good reason, even though they were as qualified as others. I can recall when
    it was against the law for a white and a black to get married. Most of
    these things are no longer true, but the stain and stigma remains.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Jul 2 20:58:20 2020
    Hello Greg,

    [..]

    You need to open your eyes and mind. The people at the heart of the >DS>protests are not as free as you or I.

    Please explain how they are not free? With the same level of freedom as you
    or myself.

    фашиÑÑ‚Ñкий.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Wed Jul 22 08:28:50 2020
    On 02 Jul 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 07-01-20 07:59, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-

    Are they free to move into your neighborhood and not be subjected to predujice and scorn? Are they free to have equal schools? Are they
    free to walk or jog down your street without someone deciding that they
    do not belong and then chase them down with guns? Are they free to get
    on an elevator without noticing that the woman who is there tightens her grip on her purse?

    Your painting with a rather large brush in a attempt to prove your point.
    but there are things that are simply no longer the case which dulls the point that you are trying to make here.

    These people are subject to watch them closely because of previous events. Being Vigilant is not Prejudice.
    Blacks have been equal in schools since the civil rights act has been passed. No one is chasing them out of town with guns aimed - that would illegal and punishable by law. I do understand where there would be a fear of a sole women in elevator gripping her purse more securely -so what. Just because she feels slightly insecure or may just feel frightened, means nothing in it self.
    This is not a crime and it shouldn't provide the spark or trigger or create
    the outrage that destroys cities across the United States.

    Within my lifetime, I can recall going into a restaurant for lunch and observing a black couple who had to go to the back door and get food to eat in their car. I can recall that my schools had no black students.
    I can recall observing black analysts being denied promotion for no good reason, even though they were as qualified as others. I can recall when it was against the law for a white and a black to get married. Most of these things are no longer true, but the stain and stigma remains.

    I am not denying that any of those things have happened, but as you recall these memories from the past, would you ever imagine that they would have a National Black Lives Matter movement? or think that those people would be causing havoc and chaos in the cities with burning rioting and looting?

    The stigma of what some of these people have chosen to become continues.
    While other African-Americans are hard working contributing members of society.

    Did you know every back man who was shot and killed by a police officer from Michael Brown to George Floyd would still be alive today if they did not
    resist arrest?

    This entire BLM movement is ridiculous.
    Where were they in the Obama years.
    Where are they today with Black on Black crime.
    Where are they today when innocent kids get shot and killed.
    Not one of these Representatives of this group has acknowledged the collateral damage of their behavior.

    You know what this is all about it is in direct defiance of declaration made from the President with Law and Order and the authority that it represents. These people suggest "Too many Rules" and therefore no respect for Law & Order" They are kidding themselves if they think they will be successful against the Full power of the U.S. Government.

    Democratic mayors and Governors have lost control of their cities in several cities because they are weak.

    Companies want to still make money so they join the bandwagon of the BLM Movement.

    All lives Matter - which includes everyone.
    If you need to define or indicate a color before All Lives Matter then that
    is racist too.

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  • From Dennis Katsonis@1:124/5016 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Jul 24 10:18:00 2020
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

    Socialists, mostly young White people, with a few Palestinians who haven't cottoned onto the fact the cause is not longer theirs.

    It's ridiculous. People need to fight their own battles. And I suspect that you are totally right about white people instigating all this.
    I think they can't fight their own battles, or don't even know what they are or where to begin, so they pick a pre-made battle that can adopt and go from there.

    There are professional agitators who basically give people things to be angry and upset about.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Thu Jul 23 21:59:10 2020
    On 23 Jul 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 07-22-20 12:44, Ron Lauzon <=-
    spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: Floyd <=-

    All lives Matter - which includes everyone.
    If you need to define or indicate a color before All Lives Matter the that is racist too.

    You have to remember that for Lefties like Dale, facts DON'T matter.

    You are 180 out -- for me it is the facts that matter, not snide comments, inuendos and character smears.

    Oh come on... if the shoe fits, it fits....

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Jul 24 02:53:00 2020
    On 07-23-20 21:57, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-


    Most of your remarks here are off the mark and were pivots trying to
    distract from the point. Thus they deserve no response.

    How many white parents have felt the need to have "the talk" with their children about how to act if stopped by the police? How many black parents have *NOT* felt that need.

    What do you think that conversation is Dale among white families to
    their young adults?
    Be Respectful perhaps...?
    Maybe if the Black Families had the same conversation with their young adults maybe that would break the cycle, what do you think?

    White parents do not see the need to tell their white children "keep
    your hands on the steering wheel so that you do not get shot". White
    parents do not see the need to tell their white children "don't make any
    sudden movements or you might get shot". White parents do not see the
    need to tell their white children "don't question why you were stopped
    or you might get shot". and so forth, the list goes on.

    Blacks have been equal in schools since the civil
    rights act has been passed.

    That is simply not true. The budgets of predominately black schools
    have been less than those of predominately white schools. Hence, not equal.

    Your facts are lefty fictions, you ever hear of opportunity zones, why don't you read up on what the President is doing for Urban kids in schools. You might even learn something.

    Since his Secretary of Education has no knowledge nor connection in her
    life with public schools, I would doubt that she has made any attempt to equalize the disparity. Please show me how that is not true.

    No one is chasing them out of town with guns aimed - that would
    illegal and punishable by law.

    Tell that to Treyvon Martin or Ahmaud Arbrey. Oh -- you can't do that because they were chased with guns aimed and were killed.

    We all know the Treyvon Martin Story, and that is no one to put on a pedestal. He was a thug, and also a kid who Obama once said could of
    been my son.

    Your point is what? Any want-a-be cop / vigilant has the right to gun
    down anyone he believes to be a thug who does not belong in his
    neighborhood? Surely you jest.

    Some of which are not from a distant past. The fact that they ever happened has contributed to the national predjudice.

    This is 2020 not 1950.

    None of those memories were as far back as 1950. Some were from much
    more recent times.

    I do not think you have the same understanding with the facts in the Michael Brown case or what the events that led to Mr. Browns death.
    You apparently were
    sleeping when when it once announced the Michael Brown reached into
    the Police car and tried to take the gun from the Police Officer and

    A report that is / was in dispute. The other version is that the
    officer grabbed Brown by the neck and then shot at him. After which
    Brown tried to run away.

    declaration made from the President with Law and Order and the

    Right -- send in the storm troopers to grab people off the street and
    wisk them away in unmarked vehicles, all with no probable cause or justification. That is Trump's idea of law and order.

    Probable Cause ? Are you serious these cities look like a warzone and getting worse by the hour. Storm Troopers - Yet another Nazi
    Reference? You're as bad as Pelosi that's what she said I do believe.

    I used the appropriate expression. Have you not watched any of the
    videos showing them rushing up to a man standing quietly and grabbing
    him and shoveing him into an unmarked car? Or the video showing them
    using baton sticks to attack a man standing with his hands up? What
    else would you call such tactics. They are deliberately inflaming the protestors.

    These are Democratic Mayors & Governors who have lost control of their cities. Do you deny that? - or do like chaos?

    It is their city, and it is their responsibility. They were working
    with the protestors. One of them was tear gassed in another attack on
    peaceful protestors. Those milita do not belong there poring gasoline
    on the embers.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dennis Katsonis@1:124/5016 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Jul 24 21:01:00 2020
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

    There are professional agitators who basically give people things to be
    ang
    and upset about.

    I believe it! But how does a person get into that situation?

    My wife reads like everything on Craigslist. She told me that there was
    an ad saying "activists needed," and this was around the time the
    George Floyd garbage started.

    Maybe they recruited college students who were out of school due to
    covid? Or maybe people who are on drugs? All kinds of bad possibilities exist.

    There are wealthy people who funnel funds. Also note that large companies have pledged $$$$'s to "fighting racism", by giving it to anti-racist groups. Where do you think the money ends up? It ends up there.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Jul 26 14:29:10 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    usually satified. For black and brown parents, that expectation is all >DS>to often not true.

    Black & brown aren't interchangeable. What do you think happens to black
    suspects when they get pulled over in a brown neighborhood?

    They become black and blue. As well as being completely out of breath.

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Sun Jul 26 08:16:06 2020
    Where I have lived for the past 50 years has been a neighborhood with black, brown, yellow, and white. They have all gotten along together
    just fine.

    That's good news! But it doesn't work that way everywhere, and color groups often segregate for their own safety.

    Black & brown aren't interchangeable. What do you think happens to black suspects when they get pulled over in a brown neighborhood?

    I don't know -- tell us.

    The "systemic racism" that people are complaining about also happens in brown neighborhoods or even in brown regions. Latinos don't like blacks any more than they like whites.

    You might not notice it, but latinos don't want to be categorized under "blacks and browns." It's because they have hatred for blacks too.

    We won the Spanish American War, and latinos have passed the resentment down several generations. <- There's something they don't tell you on CNN!

    When people cry about racism in their region, all they care about is
    their own color. Notice that blacks aren't marching for browns, and the
    browns aren't marching for blacks.

    You shouldn't ignore 3/4ths of reality and only zoom-in on what Chris Cuomo wants you to pay attention to. He's setting you up for failure with hopes that you vote for Biden; the only person in the world who can save us from racism, coronavirus, and cancer.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Jul 26 08:58:36 2020
    On 25 Jul 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Trayvon was not gunned down in cold blood as you have suggested, as it
    turned out he was up to no good, he died because he tried to take the gu from Zimmerman.

    It was proved in a court of law, that he was acquitted of all charges which also makes your statement that he was killed in good blood - also untrue.

    It is their city, and it is their responsibility.

    These are American cities, belonging to us all.

    They were working with the protestors.

    That is what mayors and governors do. Working with people is their
    job, what they were elected to do.

    One of them was tear gassed in another attack on peaceful protestors.

    The mayor of Portland, Oregon was tear gassed, along with peaceful
    and nonviolent protesters. That is what happens when a crazy man in
    the White House targets the American people as his enemies.

    Those milita do not belong there poring gasoline on the embers.

    If the Mayor and or Gov took action to quell the violence as they should
    have, then the President wouldn't of sent the forces there.

    The fact that the Mayor of Portland also got gassed right along with the rest of these terrorists speaks volumes.

    Even within the Constitution the President has the authority to quell civ
    unrest.

    The POTUS is dictator???

    "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Unio
    establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Libert to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitutio for the United States of America."

    The Preamble of the US Constitution. Certainly is part of the
    US Constitution. Sets the parameters of what government can do.

    These rioters spit in the face of Domestic Tranquility. or the right to Peacefully assemble.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sun Jul 26 09:08:42 2020
    On 25 Jul 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 07-24-20 13:43, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-

    If what you say is true about White parents not having "the talk" maybe it is because of they have the expectation that respect will displayed and maintained throughout the traffic stop of their young adult.

    You are correct, white parents do not have the need for that sort of
    talk because they have every expectation that their white children will
    be treated with respect by law enforcement officer. That expectation is usually satified. For black and brown parents, that expectation is all
    to often not true.

    Nice try on twisting this.
    If the the young adults of any skin color are respectful and are
    non-combative w/ the cop then there will be no trouble at all.




    If people get arrested or shot at a traffic stop, it's their own dam fault.

    Bull crap.

    Trayvon was not gunned down in cold blood as you have suggested, as i turned out he was up to no good, he died because he tried to take the gun from Zimmerman.

    He tried to protect himself after he was accosted and threatened.

    I used the appropriate expression. Have you not watched any of the videos showing them rushing up to a man standing quietly and grabbing him and shoveing him into an unmarked car? Or the video showing them using baton sticks to attack a man standing with his hands up? What else would you call such tactics. They are deliberately inflaming th protestors.

    Chicago Police Dept showed overhead camera footage of protesters emptying
    bags of rocks frozen water bottle onto the ground to throw at cops.

    That is a not a peaceful protest.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Mon Jul 27 07:26:00 2020
    On 26 Jul 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    He must have grown up in the south somewhere (Alabama, maybe?).

    Actually, mostly in Florida.

    I started school in the mid 1940's. I went to all public schools. In every school I was ever in there were black students. I was even put a mostly black school in the ghetto for two years as a punishment by the superentendent of the city's school district.

    I think you meant to respond to Tim Richardson..

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Jul 28 02:03:02 2020
    On 07-27-20 07:26, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-

    He must have grown up in the south somewhere (Alabama, maybe?).

    Actually, mostly in Florida.

    I started school in the mid 1940's. I went to all public schools. In
    every school I was ever in there were black
    students. I was even put
    a mostly black school in the ghetto for two years as a punishment by
    the superentendent of the city's school district.

    I think you meant to respond to Tim Richardson..

    I meant to do exactly what I did.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Jul 29 21:51:32 2020
    Hello Greg,

    [..]

    The US spends huge amounts for defense, but does not fight wars
    very well. Could not even manage to contain ISIS in Syria, having
    to cede those efforts to Turkey and Russia.

    Don't fight wars very well - my ass?
    WWI, WWII both won!

    As noted in last message, the US did very little to "win" those wars.

    Another reason Obama sucked as Commander and Chief, (as well as POTUS) he
    pulled back the rules of engagement, everybody knows that, everyone but lefties, who still want to glorify his failed presidency.

    War with Russia would have been preferable to imposing sanctions
    after Trump's hero invaded Ukraine (a sovereign state) and illegally
    annexed part of its territory (Crimea)? Reward him by allowing Russia
    to remain in the G8, and continue to let him host summits? War with
    Egypt after the Muslim Brotherhood's candidate won the presidency fair
    and square? War with North Korea (and China) in order to keep it from manufacturing nukes?

    Donald Trump said he and his buddy Vladimir Putin had a little
    chat on the telephone today. Not once did Donald Trump ask his pal
    about the bounties Russia had placed on the heads of US soldiers
    serving in Afghanistan. Not once. That is how the C-in-C treats
    our troops. Disgusting piece of sh*t should be lined up in front
    of a nerfball firing squad. They'll know what to do.

    There is nothing peaceful about unmarked federal agents beating up a >LL> >LL>Navy veteran on national television. What do you think will happen
    to LL> >LL>the rest of us if confronted by those same thugs?

    Naval Veteran?
    Fact-checked by the news media.

    News Media are you kidding me?....

    The real News Media.

    (you mean democratic state run news)

    TrumpTV will not be on the air until after noon on January 20, 2021.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Jul 29 21:51:40 2020
    Hello Greg,

    The jury never said he was innocent. And neither did the accused.
    But everybody knew the dude killed that boy. In cold blood.

    Yeah Trayvon Martin was just like Dennis the Menace in darker skin. NOT!

    Had Dennis the Menace been a black kid, white cops would not have
    allowed him the chance to even become a menace.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/naked-athena-protester-says-she-wanted >LL>-cops-to-see-what-theyre-shooting-at

    What was that a Urban version of Naked and Afraid?

    Why do you insist that all black people, including black children,
    are dangerous? There are many white folks who are bad people. Very
    bad. Some of them should be locked up in prison, never to be let
    out again. What you had was a wannabe cop who acted like the thug
    he was, murdering a kid in cold blood. Just because a jury aquitted
    him due to lack of evidence does not mean he was innocent.

    New Orleans has a Democratic mayor. No fires there.
    Baton Rouge has a Democratic mayor. No fires there.
    Louisiana has a Democratic governor. No fires there.

    Are it's citizens have peaceful protests or full scale riots resulting in
    the city looking a war zone. That should answer your own question.

    There were no riots anywhere in Louisiana because your sorry excuse
    of a president never sent any unmarked federal agents to cause trouble.

    Now if you want to argue that the Preamble is not part of the
    US Constitution, you are welcome to do that. But it is a losing >LL>argument.

    I am not looking to argue, just trying to separate delusional lefty facts
    from truth and reality, there is a stark difference between the two.

    Please show me the difference between the "leftie" version of the
    Preamble and the "rightie" version of the Preamble. I seem to have
    missed both versions.

    The preamble of the U.S. Constitution does not limit or lend it's words and
    meanings to only Federal Property.

    The Preamble of the US Constitution sets limitations/parameters
    of the federal government. The only rights states have are whatever
    rights remain outside of what is specified by the US Constitution.

    Our 700 Billion Military budget, is not one of those things taken from
    Germany, that's All American..

    The US spends huge amounts for defense, but does not fight wars
    very well. Could not even manage to contain ISIS in Syria, having
    to cede those efforts to Turkey and Russia.

    Don't fight wars very well - my ass?

    That's right. Absolutely right.

    WWI, WWII both won!

    We entered WWI late, with that war coming to an end only beccause
    all sides ran out of young men due to the Spanish Flu, and all the
    older men were left were too chicken to fight.

    We entered WWII only as a matter of defense after Hitler and his
    National Socialists had invaded most of Europe, fighting on a front
    only some 400 miles long. Hitler still would have lost his war in
    Europe had the US chosen not to enter. It just would have taken
    longer for his reign to come to an end.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Jul 30 10:23:34 2020
    On 29 Jul 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Why do you insist that all black people, including black children,
    are dangerous? There are many white folks who are bad people. Very
    bad. Some of them should be locked up in prison, never to be let
    out again. What you had was a wannabe cop who acted like the thug
    he was, murdering a kid in cold blood. Just because a jury aquitted
    him due to lack of evidence does not mean he was innocent.

    I never said ALL black people. EVER. I fully acknowledge that there are thugs of all varieties Red, Yellow, Tan, Black as well as White, but never Orange.

    New Orleans has a Democratic mayor. No fires there.
    Baton Rouge has a Democratic mayor. No fires there.
    Louisiana has a Democratic governor. No fires there.

    No Riots either. Yet anyway....

    Are it's citizens have peaceful protests or full scale riots resulting in
    the city looking a war zone. That should answer your own question.

    There were no riots anywhere in Louisiana because your sorry excuse
    of a president never sent any unmarked federal agents to cause trouble.

    The reason why those Federal forces are in Portland is to protect Federal Property, if the police force within these democratic cess pools would be allowed to do their job, there would be no need for these Federal forces.

    Please show me the difference between the "leftie" version of the
    Preamble and the "rightie" version of the Preamble. I seem to have
    missed both versions.

    Easy.
    Democrats (LEFT) Ignoring it vs Republicans (RIGHT) Follow it.

    Still in doubt.. OK
    Has ANY Democrat politician condemned the Riots and the destruction or the loss of life or the injured cops that was a direct result of this chaos?

    Has the Media who is sleeping in the same bed with the democratic party condemn or even spoken against the violence?

    Has ANY Black Lives Representative or spokesperson ever have taken responsibility or condemned the gun fire that has killed multiple children within the own houses.

    "Since when is it ok to attack a Federal Courthouse?"
    ~ William Barr - U.S. Attorney General

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Jul 31 00:32:26 2020
    Hello Greg,

    Don't fight wars very well - my ass?
    WWI, WWII both won!
    As noted in last message, the US did very little to "win" those wars.

    I disagree completely if the U.S. did not get involved in WWI and WWII.

    WWI ended only because both sides ran out of having enough men
    to continue the fight. The US entered the war late, and made little
    difference. WWII would have taken longer had the US not entered, but
    the end result would have been the same, in both Europe and Asia.

    France would of been wiped off the map.

    Germany took over the northern part of France in less than two weeks, installing a Vichy government. Yet was too weak to invade England, and
    unable to push further south.

    Germany would still be fascist and still run by the Nazi Party.

    Stalin would have installed a puppet regime to serve the USSR.

    Hitler might of never attacked the U.S.S.R.

    Hitler had no choice but to attack the USSR.

    This would mean the following changes in our U.S. history. The United States
    would of never of gone to the moon.

    The United States claim of having had men set foot on the moon
    remains unproven/unverified.

    There would be no Hotdogs or Hamburgers are American Barbeque's.

    Muffulettas and New Orleans style roast beef poboys are so much
    better anyway.

    The American Car might of never existed. or would be something vastly >different.

    Harley-Davidson rides forever! Vroom! Vroom!

    Budweiser wouldn't exist at least here in America.

    Who cares? We have Warhawk beer!

    as of a result Beck's Beer would still be made in Germany- That is the only
    really good thing that would come out that alternative time line.

    Too bad it is never served during Oktoberfest.

    In my opinion the American Companies have no business making German Beer in
    America.

    Germans in Minden, Louisiana might disagree!

    Much of it is like; drinking gak piss. (Samuel Adams is pretty good though)

    Samuel Adams does make a limited edition special during Oktoberfest.
    But it is not the same as being there.

    Another reason Obama sucked as Commander and Chief, (as well as
    POTUS) he LL> > pulled back the rules of engagement, everybody knows that, everyone but LL> > lefties, who still want to glorify his failed
    presidency.
    War with Russia would have been preferable to imposing sanctions
    after Trump's hero invaded Ukraine (a sovereign state) and illegally annexed part of its territory (Crimea)? Reward him by allowing Russia
    to remain in the G8, and continue to let him host summits? War with Egypt after the Muslim Brotherhood's candidate won the presidency fair and square? War with North Korea (and China) in order to keep it from manufacturing nukes?

    War with the Russia would be very very bad. it would not be fought with
    boots
    on the ground, the boots by the way, would be the only thing left as they
    too
    would be smoldering and melting on the surface of the earth, so yeah like
    said very very bad.

    There should never be any wars. But making us less secure makes war
    more likely. Removing 12,000+ US troops from Germany makes both Germany
    and the US less secure, and more likely for hostilities between Russia
    and her immediate neighbors (Baltic states, Poland, Ukraine, Hungary,
    etc.) to commence. This was a gift to Vladimir Putin, whose policies
    are clearly hostile to what is in our national interests.

    Donald Trump said he and his buddy Vladimir Putin had a little
    chat on the telephone today. Not once did Donald Trump ask his pal >LL>about the bounties Russia had placed on the heads of US soldiers >LL>serving in Afghanistan. Not once. That is how the C-in-C treats
    our troops. Disgusting piece of sh*t should be lined up in front
    of a nerfball firing squad. They'll know what to do.

    If he (Valdimir) were his (Donald's) pal as you have suggested then why
    would there be sanctions upon the country of Russia?

    President Obama imposed sanctions on Russia due to its invasion
    of Ukraine and illegal annexation of part of its territory (Crimea),
    as well as kicking Russia out of the G8. President Trump has publicly
    stated his own desire to lift those sanctions, and invite Russia back
    into the G8, without having to give up its illegal claim to Crimea.

    According to many people, that makes US President Donald Trump a
    Russian agent. An unregistered, and unconvicted, Russian agent.

    Fact-checked by the news media.

    News Media are you kidding me?....
    The real News Media.
    (you mean democratic state run news)

    Journalism has been dead, but please don't take my word for it.

    The NYT is alive and well.

    Watch MSNBC or CNN.

    Broadcast news makes for excellent reporting.

    I would not watch for to long of a period as it will cause further brain
    damage.

    Well, there is always NPR.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Jul 31 00:32:38 2020
    Hello Greg,

    Why do you insist that all black people, including black children,
    are dangerous? There are many white folks who are bad people. Very
    bad. Some of them should be locked up in prison, never to be let
    out again. What you had was a wannabe cop who acted like the thug
    he was, murdering a kid in cold blood. Just because a jury aquitted
    him due to lack of evidence does not mean he was innocent.

    I never said ALL black people. EVER. I fully acknowledge that there are
    thugs of all varieties Red, Yellow, Tan, Black as well as White, but never Orange.

    The numbers are disproportionate, with more non-whites being the
    victim rather than whites given total percentages in the US.

    New Orleans has a Democratic mayor. No fires there.
    Baton Rouge has a Democratic mayor. No fires there.
    Louisiana has a Democratic governor. No fires there.

    No Riots either. Yet anyway....

    Of course not. Cajuns are very friendly, and love to have a good time.
    Same as everybody else. Only we do it in French rather than in English.

    Are it's citizens have peaceful protests or full scale riots
    resulting in LL> > the city looking a war zone. That should answer your
    own question.
    There were no riots anywhere in Louisiana because your sorry
    excuse
    of a president never sent any unmarked federal agents to cause
    trouble.

    The reason why those Federal forces are in Portland is to protect Federal >Property, if the police force within these democratic cess pools would be >allowed to do their job, there would be no need for these Federal forces.

    Yeah. I saw the pictures. Both before and after. Nothing stops graffiti
    from growing on the walls. Nothing. It just keeps growing. And growing.
    And growing ...

    Please show me the difference between the "leftie" version of the >LL>Preamble and the "rightie" version of the Preamble. I seem to have >LL>missed both versions.

    Easy. Democrats (LEFT) Ignoring it vs Republicans (RIGHT) Follow it.

    What rights do the states have (according to the US Constitution)?
    I'll give you a hint - Read Amendment X.

    Still in doubt.. OK

    There is no doubt.

    Has ANY Democrat politician condemned the Riots and the destruction or the
    loss of life or the injured cops that was a direct result of this chaos?

    Violence begets violence. The late John Lewis condemned *all* acts
    of violence, promoting others to cause "good trouble" in its place.
    Three presidents attended his funeral today. Except for the one who
    is always causing "bad trouble" for everybody.

    There you go. Two Democrats, and one Republican, condemning all
    acts of violence, with one illegitimate occupant of the White House
    promoting violence everywhere.

    Has the Media who is sleeping in the same bed with the democratic party
    condemn or even spoken against the violence?

    The legitimate news media does not take sides, as it is not in the entertainment business (such as FoxNews).

    Has ANY Black Lives Representative or spokesperson ever have taken
    responsibility or condemned the gun fire that has killed multiple children within the own houses.

    What for? Ban the guns, no more problem. See how easy that is?

    "Since when is it ok to attack a Federal Courthouse?"
    ~ William Barr - U.S. Attorney General

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Aug 1 08:51:12 2020

    On 31 Jul 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Hello Greg,

    Why do you insist that all black people, including black children, >LL>are dangerous? There are many white folks who are bad people. Very >LL>bad. Some of them should be locked up in prison, never to be let >LL>out again. What you had was a wannabe cop who acted like the thug >LL>he was, murdering a kid in cold blood. Just because a jury aquitted >LL>him due to lack of evidence does not mean he was innocent.

    I never said ALL black people. EVER. I fully acknowledge that there are
    thugs of all varieties Red, Yellow, Tan, Black as well as White, but nev

    Orange.

    The numbers are disproportionate, with more non-whites being the
    victim rather than whites given total percentages in the US.

    New Orleans has a Democratic mayor. No fires there.
    Baton Rouge has a Democratic mayor. No fires there.
    Louisiana has a Democratic governor. No fires there.

    No Riots either. Yet anyway....

    Of course not. Cajuns are very friendly, and love to have a good time. Same as everybody else. Only we do it in French rather than in English.

    Are it's citizens have peaceful protests or full scale riots
    resulting in LL> > the city looking a war zone. That should answer your own question.
    There were no riots anywhere in Louisiana because your sorry
    excuse
    of a president never sent any unmarked federal agents to cause
    trouble.

    The reason why those Federal forces are in Portland is to protect Federal >Property, if the police force within these democratic cess pools would be >allowed to do their job, there would be no need for these Federal forces.

    Yeah. I saw the pictures. Both before and after. Nothing stops graffiti from growing on the walls. Nothing. It just keeps growing. And growing. And growing ...

    Please show me the difference between the "leftie" version of the >LL>Preamble and the "rightie" version of the Preamble. I seem to have >LL>missed both versions.

    Easy. Democrats (LEFT) Ignoring it vs Republicans (RIGHT) Follow it.

    What rights do the states have (according to the US Constitution)?
    I'll give you a hint - Read Amendment X.

    Still in doubt.. OK

    There is no doubt.

    Has ANY Democrat politician condemned the Riots and the destruction or th

    loss of life or the injured cops that was a direct result of this chaos?

    Violence begets violence. The late John Lewis condemned *all* acts
    of violence, promoting others to cause "good trouble" in its place.
    Three presidents attended his funeral today. Except for the one who
    is always causing "bad trouble" for everybody.

    There you go. Two Democrats, and one Republican, condemning all
    acts of violence, with one illegitimate occupant of the White House promoting violence everywhere.

    Has the Media who is sleeping in the same bed with the democratic party
    condemn or even spoken against the violence?

    The legitimate news media does not take sides, as it is not in the entertainment business (such as FoxNews).

    Has ANY Black Lives Representative or spokesperson ever have taken
    responsibility or condemned the gun fire that has killed multiple childr

    within the own houses.

    What for? Ban the guns, no more problem. See how easy that is?

    Look at Chicago, where the strongest gun laws are in the U.S.
    These people causing the carnage in this city are not purchasing guns.
    Yet there are people being killed in this city every weekend.

    Banning guns will never happen.
    Cars kill people too are we going to start banning them next?

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Aug 3 08:27:12 2020
    On 03 Aug 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    When white guy murders black kid in cold blood, everyone should
    be outraged.

    You want to know how I define outrage?...

    You're only seeing one side of this and trying to justify radical behavior of Antifa and this nasty ass BLM movement.

    You say nothing about Jessica Doty Whitaker was fatally shot last month following an alleged argument between her group and a group of Black Lives Matter supporters.

    She declared "All Lives Matter" and was killed as a result.

    Here are the facts for you and the rest of your lefty friends.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by -race/

    Rayshard Brooks would still be alive today if he did resist arrest.
    Don't take my word for it watch the video how this started and how it ended

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhdpG2XzRXQ&t=183s

    How did Rayshard Brooks get though?

    Rayshard Brooks resisted arrest stole a tazer from the cops belt w/ the struggle with the Police. Then within some distance from the cops as he was running away, Rayshard pointed the tazer at the cops (as he triggered the tazer it made it a flash) it was at this point the one of the cops fired his gun killing Rayshard Brooks.

    Then these animals (black people within the community) burned down the wendys to the ground..

    None of this needed to happen. Rayshard Brooks would still be alive today if
    he did not resist arrest.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Aug 4 00:16:00 2020
    On 08-03-20 08:27, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Floyd <=-

    Here are the facts for you and the rest of your lefty friends.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to- death-by-us-police-by
    -race/

    Did you actually look at that article with understanding? Possibly not
    since you seemed to miss the point that a higher proportion of blacks
    are shot by police than whites.
    [quote]
    Additionally, the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans
    was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 31 fatal shootings per million of the population as of July 2020.
    [/quote]

    Rayshard Brooks would still be alive today if he did resist arrest.
    Don't take my word for it watch the video how this started and how it ended
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhdpG2XzRXQ&t=183s

    Except that the end of that 44 minute video does not show how it ended.
    It shows a lot of discussion. It shows the officer administering a
    field sobriety test (which Brooks passed much better than I could at any
    time). Then it showed the officer putting cuffs on Brooks without any
    real explanation. A shuffle ensued and Brooks ran away (not the best
    choice I admit). From then on, we only hear sounds. Did you watch the
    video? If you had, you could not have truthfully said it showed the
    end.

    Other videos show that the officer shot Brooks in the back as he was
    running away. Brooks was no threat to the officer or anyone -- which is
    the critera for using deadly force.


    the struggle with the Police. Then within some distance from the cops
    as he was running away, Rayshard pointed the tazer at the cops (as he triggered the tazer.

    Which did not threaten anyone.

    it made it a flash) it was at this point the one of the cops fired his
    gun killing Rayshard Brooks.

    Wrong. The cop fired while Brooks was running away -- shot in the back.

    If you are going to try arguing a case, make sure you have your facts
    and evidence right.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Tue Aug 4 13:33:36 2020
    On 04 Aug 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 08-03-20 08:27, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Floyd <=-

    Here are the facts for you and the rest of your lefty friends.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to- death-by-us-police-by
    -race/

    Did you actually look at that article with understanding? Possibly not since you seemed to miss the point that a higher proportion of blacks
    are shot by police than whites.

    Here are the Actual Numbers
    White
    Year Year Year Year
    2017 2018 2019 2020
    ---- | ---- | ---- | ----
    457 399 370 215

    Black
    Year Year Year Year
    2017 2018 2019 2020
    ---- | ---- | --- | ----
    223 209 235 111

    As a direct result of these calculations.

    234 more whites died then blacks in 2017
    190 more whites died then blacks in 2018
    135 more whites died then blacks in 2019
    104 more whites died then blacks in 2020

    1441 more whites died then 778 black in last 4 years
    Infact the numbers also show that the number of whites deaths is greater by
    the number of 663 within the past 4 years.

    [quote]
    Additionally, the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans
    was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 31 fatal shootings per million of the population as of July 2020.
    [/quote]

    Here is the full quote

    Sadly, the trend of fatal police shootings in the United States seems to only be increasing, with a total 558 civilians having been shot, 111 of whom were Black, as of July 29, 2020. In 2018, there were 996 fatal police shootings, and in 2019 this figure increased to 1,004. Additionally, the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 31 fatal shootings per million of the population as of July 2020.

    Let's take a deeper dive, shall we? with what the above text is indicating here. 558 civilians having been shot 111 of whom were black this means that 447 of these were of another race. That number of skyrocketed to 1004, the graphic does NOT say it was by by Police officers, could it be
    that these numbers are BLACK on BLACK crimes on each other? Could be.
    You never have heard and you never will hear people within the BLM movement
    and you will not hear Democratic Politicians condemning this violence.

    Police brutality in the U.S.

    In recent years, particularly since the fatal shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri in 2014, police brutality has become a hot button issue in the United States. The number of homicides committed by police in the United States is often compared to those in countries such as England, where the number is significantly lower.

    Black Lives Matter
    The Black Lives Matter Movement, formed in 2013, has been a vocal part of the movement against police brutality in the U.S. by organizing "die-ins",
    marches, and demonstrations in response to the killings of black men and
    women by police.

    Black Lives Matter is a farce.

    They do not talk or speak of the issues within the Black community, as to why there is so much Black on Black Crime, which has caused death of innocent children within their own homes.

    They will not speak to what happened as to what lead the death to whomever
    that are protesting about. or ask any of the questions such as did the individual corporate with the police?
    As far these people are concerned there is no consequence or irrational behavior that could of lead to the killing. He or she was simply killed in
    cold in cold blood... This is how dumb and undedicated these people are.

    Quote
    While Black Lives Matter has become a controversial movement within the U.S., it has brought more attention to the number and frequency of police shootings of civilians.

    This is because they refuse to be arrested by the cops, these people seem
    to not have the understanding; what it means to have their day in court, even they might feel (as I'm sure you will pick up on) that they feel that they
    will not be successful in court. but it beats dying - any day of the week!

    This would of course mean that they would continue to live and see another sunset as well take care of their families, seems so selfish to take the
    route of resisting arrest that ends up these people losing their lives.

    Rayshard Brooks would still be alive today if he did resist arrest. Don't take my word for it watch the video how this started and how it ended
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhdpG2XzRXQ&t=183s

    Except that the end of that 44 minute video does not show how it ended.
    It shows a lot of discussion. It shows the officer administering a
    field sobriety test (which Brooks passed much better than I could at any time). Then it showed the officer putting cuffs on Brooks without any real explanation. A shuffle ensued and Brooks ran away (not the best choice I admit). From then on, we only hear sounds. Did you watch the video? If you had, you could not have truthfully said it showed the
    end.

    You are right about the discussion just about 42 minutes worth. You really believe that you or I would be given 42 minutes of time to try to explain ourselves?

    A lot of people can pass a sobriety test and still be impaired, this is for the law to decide not the one who is accused, that is done in the court of law not on the street or in public where your being viewed as menace to society.

    Rayshard did not know where he was at multiple times. Which was also heard on the video but you seemed to have glossed over that fact.

    Other videos show that the officer shot Brooks in the back as he was running away. Brooks was no threat to the officer or anyone -- which is the critera for using deadly force.

    This video that I posted was from a Police Body cam, what other video would
    you be referencing. If there was a video captured by Wendy's restaurant that camera was destroyed as was the Wendy's was burned down to the ground by people who did not know that their brother from another mother was treated more than more then fairly for 42 minutes, the carnage began when Rayshard resisted arrest.

    Wrong. The cop fired while Brooks was running away -- shot in the back.

    No you're wrong. COPS do not shoot at suspects white or black just for fleeing the scene.
    At 41:35 you can hear the cop telling Rayshard to let go of the tazer.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Aug 5 01:44:00 2020
    On 08-04-20 13:33, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Floyd <=-

    Did you actually look at that article with understanding? Possibly not since you seemed to miss the point that a higher proportion of blacks
    are shot by police than whites.

    Here are the Actual Numbers

    You are trying to defect and not respond to the actual question because
    you cannot handle the truth. The quote was not about actual numbers,
    but about the rate of police shootings of black americans per millions
    of population.

    1441 more whites died then 778 black in last 4 years

    Not the point.

    [quote]
    Additionally, the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans
    was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 31 fatal shootings per million of the population as of July 2020.
    [/quote]

    Here is the full quote

    Sadly, the trend of fatal police shootings in the United States seems
    to only be increasing, with a total 558 civilians having been shot, 111
    of whom were Black, as of July 29, 2020. In 2018, there were 996 fatal police shootings, and
    in 2019 this figure increased to 1,004. Additionally, the rate of
    fatal police shootings among Black Americans was much higher than that
    for any other ethnicity, standing at 31 fatal shootings per million of
    the population as of July 2020.

    True, you quoted a bit more of the paragraph which is irrelavent to the
    point being made, but is your deflection.

    Let's take a deeper dive, shall we? with what the above text is
    indicating here. 558 civilians having been shot 111 of whom were black this means that 447 of these were of another race. That number of skyrocketed to 1004, the graphic does NOT say it was by by Police officers,

    Duh -- the quote is explicit that it about shootings of blacks by police officers -- why are you trying to muddy the water?

    In recent years, particularly since the fatal shooting of Michael
    Brown in Ferguson, Missouri in 2014, police brutality has become a hot button issue in the United States. The number of homicides committed by police in the United States is often compared to those in countries
    such as England, where the number is significantly lower.

    With good reason, perhaps because England has stricter gun control laws.
    Also due to the fact that most British police do not even carry guns --
    they don't feed the need to do so.


    Black Lives Matter
    The Black Lives Matter Movement, formed in 2013, has been a vocal part
    of the movement against police brutality in the U.S. by organizing "die-ins", marches, and demonstrations in response to the killings of black men and women by police.

    Black Lives Matter is a farce.

    <<SNIP OF VERBAGE THAT IS NON RESPONSIVE TO THE QUESTION>>

    Rayshard Brooks would still be alive today if he did resist arrest.
    Don't take my word for it watch the video how
    this started and how it
    ended
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhdpG2XzRXQ&t=183s

    Except that the end of that 44 minute video does not show how it ended.
    It shows a lot of discussion. It shows the officer administering a
    field sobriety test (which Brooks passed much better than I could at any time). Then it showed the officer putting cuffs on Brooks without any real explanation. A shuffle ensued and Brooks ran away (not the best choice I admit). From then on, we only hear sounds. Did you watch the video? If you had, you could not have truthfully said it showed the
    end.

    You are right about the discussion just about 42 minutes worth. You
    really believe that you or I would be given 42 minutes of time to try
    to explain ourselves?

    In other words, you did not see what you claimed to see about how he got
    shot. And no, I think that you or me would have been told after about
    five minutes -- OK, walk over to your daughter's birthday and leave your
    car parked here where it is safe and causing no problem.

    Other videos show that the officer shot Brooks in the back as he was running away. Brooks was no threat to the officer or anyone -- which is the critera for using deadly force.

    This video that I posted was from a Police Body cam, what other video would you be referencing.

    Several that have been posted and aired on multiple news channels. Did
    you not see them? Do you not know that he was shot in the back while
    running away?

    Wrong. The cop fired while Brooks was running away -- shot in the back.

    No you're wrong. COPS do not shoot at suspects white or black just for fleeing the scene.

    That is exactly what was done. It is against any standard police
    procedure, but that is what was done.

    At 41:35 you can hear the cop telling Rayshard to let go of the tazer.

    True -- not relevant to being shot in the back while running away. If
    you believe anything else happened, you have not been listening to
    reputable sources.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Wed Aug 5 10:55:56 2020
    On 05 Aug 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    1441 more whites died then 778 black in last 4 years

    Not the point.

    It is the point because of BLM they continie to get it very wrong they have been indicating this misinformation about the topic, they often say that more blacks are killed than whites, that is NOT the truth.

    It is also true that BLM as well as the Democratic party has not condemned
    the carnage and violence of Black on Black crime.
    Why?
    Could it be they do not want to alienate these people because they need
    their vote?

    Duh -- the quote is explicit that it about shootings of blacks by police officers -- why are you trying to muddy the water?

    Nope just the facts Dale and those facts prove that more whites are killed by police, not the vise versa. Which shoots (sorry for the pun) holes in this narrative that more blacks are killed then whites.

    In recent years, particularly since the fatal shooting of Michael
    Brown in Ferguson, Missouri in 2014, police brutality has become a hot button issue in the United States. The number of homicides committed b police in the United States is often compared to those in countries such as England, where the number is significantly lower.

    What about Chicago? They have the strictest gun laws in the U.S. Yet people
    are still killing each other by the many hundreds every weekend on the Southside of Chicago.
    The Mayor Lori (Beetlejuice) Lightfoot seems to be out of touch with reality.

    With good reason, perhaps because England has stricter gun control laws. Also due to the fact that most British police do not even carry guns -- they don't feed the need to do so.

    Then someone with a gun means w/ bad intentions will slaughter the copper in England .
    Yeah I do not think that they (cops in England) are defenseless as you have suggested.

    <<SNIP OF VERBAGE THAT IS NON RESPONSIVE TO THE QUESTION>>

    OK ignore the facts but I'm telling you now. This will be only one of many reasons why the Democrats lose in November.

    In other words, you did not see what you claimed to see about how he got shot. And no, I think that you or me would have been told after about
    five minutes -- OK, walk over to your daughter's birthday and leave your car parked here where it is safe and causing no problem.

    You kinda rattled on there a little bit - daughter's birthday park the where
    it is not a problem to anyone?

    but I do understand what you mean...

    If what you mean to say that once Brooks moved his car as was requested
    several times where was found SLEEPING in the Wendy's drive through, Then
    he (Brooks) should of been left alone. Is that what your trying to say?
    Making the suggestion that if he was just alone then non of these would happened?

    It's called in the line of duty. The police officer called for a
    DWI/DWAI officer to the scene, who spoke to Brooks for over 40 minutes.

    There is another video that I have seen that shows exactly what I previously stated that Brooks fired the tazer as he was running away from cops.

    Here ya go
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5QEnGkIbzA

    Says a lot.
    Firing a taser "IS" a deadly weapon according the District Attorney of Georgia as was found to be the case when different cops used a taser on some unruly college kids. However in this Brooks case it is not. (Obvious Flip flopping) but whyy? It is clear as to why; because if these officer(s) were not charged these people of color would have destroyed the entire city instead of just the Wendy's.

    The video also explains why Brooks ran, he had a criminal record and if arrested would of been jailed.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Aug 6 02:17:00 2020
    On 08-05-20 10:55, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-

    1441 more whites died then 778 black in last 4 years

    Not the point.

    It is the point because of BLM they continie to get it very wrong they have been indicating this misinformation about the topic, they often
    say that more blacks are killed than whites, that is NOT the truth.

    The point was and is that blacks are killed by police at a higher rate
    than whites. Stop trying to deflect to other arguements if you cannot
    address that point.

    Duh -- the quote is explicit that it about shootings of blacks by police officers -- why are you trying to muddy the water?

    Nope just the facts Dale and those facts prove that more whites are
    killed by police, not the vise versa. Which shoots (sorry for the pun) holes in this narrative that more blacks are killed then whites.

    See above.

    What about Chicago? They have the strictest gun laws in the U.S. Yet people are still killing each other by the many hundreds every weekend
    on the Southside of Chicago.

    See above.

    With good reason, perhaps because England has stricter gun control laws. Also due to the fact that most British police do not even carry guns -- they don't feed the need to do so.

    Then someone with a gun means w/ bad intentions will slaughter the
    copper in England .

    Does not happen nearly as often as it does in the USA. But, once again
    see above.

    There is another video that I have seen that shows exactly what I previously stated that Brooks fired the tazer as he was running away
    from cops.
    Here ya go
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5QEnGkIbzA

    It was fired wildly from a considerable distance and was no danger to
    anyone.

    Says a lot.
    Firing a taser "IS" a deadly weapon according the District Attorney of Georgia as was found to be the case when different cops used a taser on

    It depends. If it were always a deadly weapon, then why bother using it instead of a gun? It is only a deadly weapon in some situations -- and
    this was not one of them.

    The video also explains why Brooks ran, he had a criminal record and
    if arrested would of been jailed.

    I did not see or hear that in the video -- show me the time spot where
    it occured.

    Nor does it explain why running was justification for using deadly
    force, especially when the police had all the information they might
    need to apprehend Brooks later on.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Aug 8 01:46:02 2020
    On 08-07-20 13:24, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-

    The point was and is that blacks are killed by police at a higher rate than whites. Stop trying to deflect to other arguments if you cannot address that point.

    I am deflecting anything but did provide the actual facts that prove
    that 1. I am not deflecting

    You are deflecting when you attempt to present some other argument.

    2. I have proven that your statement is inaccurate.

    My statement is taken from a link you supplied.

    It depends. If it were always a deadly weapon, then why bother using it instead of a gun? It is only a deadly weapon in some situations -- and this was not one of them.

    Because Dale. Brooks ... did ... have ... a ... gun ...

    Really? That is not in any of the reporting. Enlighten us all as to
    your evidence that he had a gun during the incident that led to his
    being shot in the back.

    There is no area of confusion or no ability to twist either, when it
    fits your narrative. You can't have it both way when it suits you.
    The District Attorney ruled that the use of a taser "IS" a deadly
    weapon.

    Quote the ruling. When is a taser a deadly weapon? I do not believe
    that it can be considered as such when discharged randomly in the air
    from a considerable distance. Site the ruling that shows I am wrong.


    I did not see or hear that in the video -- show me the time spot where
    it occurred.

    Again the video can be found at

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5QEnGkIbzA

    1:34 and then from there it shows in detail what those charges were.

    OK since it was not on the video in question, you dug up some other
    video by a youtube blogger. I'm sure that if one searches enough they
    can come up with some source to say anything they want to say. In any
    case, looking at time 3:12 the blogger goes on to claim that the DA has declared that a taser is a deadly weapon. He presents a chart from the
    GA code that he claims supports his statement. However, it explicitly
    outlines conditions under which an object might result in a charge of aggravated assault. That article doe not mention a taser, and for the
    case in question the taser as discharged by Brooks does not fit the
    definition in the statue. It was not discharged in a manner that did or
    could result in serious bodily harm.

    Try again if you can come up with a credible source.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sat Aug 8 11:30:02 2020
    On 08 Aug 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    Really? That is not in any of the reporting. Enlighten us all as to
    your evidence that he had a gun during the incident that led to his
    being shot in the back.

    No not really I meant to type that "Brooks did NOT have a gun."
    That was a typo error on my part.

    OK since it was not on the video in question, you dug up some other
    video by a youtube blogger. I'm sure that if one searches enough they
    can come up with some source to say anything they want to say. In any case, looking at time 3:12 the blogger goes on to claim that the DA has declared that a taser is a deadly weapon. He presents a chart from the
    GA code that he claims supports his statement. However, it explicitly outlines conditions under which an object might result in a charge of aggravated assault. That article doe not mention a taser, and for the case in question the taser as discharged by Brooks does not fit the definition in the statue. It was not discharged in a manner that did or could result in serious bodily harm.

    I am not digging up anything Dale, these are just the facts by the SAME youtube blogger who made the first video; url that I shared, as he indicated within
    the first one he even states that he made more of a extensive video that explains more detail, that; IS the second one that I shared here.

    I had no intention of posting the other one but the reasoning why I did, is because you seemed skeptical to some extent with the statements that were
    made All of which are as a matter of fact, as the video shows in clear and understandable detail. That these FACTS are not is dispute.

    What the real mystery is.....
    Why is the media not breaking it down just the blogger did.
    Just let the facts spill as they are.

    Let the facts speak for themselves.

    Why?
    This is actually NO mystery at all....
    The Media will not show the truth due to Political Correctness.
    This reporting of these true events would be twisted and then it would
    backfire upon media for just reporting what happened.
    The would is called Triggered.
    This type of information would be just be to much to process but it would show chronically show the poor choices made by of Brooks, which the led to his death.

    This story has elements of repeated familiarity, as this type of thing has happened again and again when people of all kinds make the wrong choices. These choices have nearly the same ending.

    Most of us have the same reaction to that ending with the word " Figures."

    So the media tries to hide and conceal the truth from being told because they are aligned with the Democratic Party. Don't think so you say...

    Example 1
    CNN is notorious for on a putting on people like Melina Abdullah who is American academic and civic leader. She is chair of the department of Pan-African Studies at California State University, Los Angeles, and a co-founder of the Los Angeles chapter of Black Lives Matter.
    There you have it.

    Of course such a person would take issue with Donald Trump who was speaking
    out when he called the painted words on the pavement on 5th Avenue that state "Black Lives Matter" People like this stupid bitch who intentionally twists
    the words of the President and deliberately take out of context, and spin it into a liberal delusional fantasy.

    Of course these are the same people within the Black Lives Matter say noting about Black on Black crime, say nothing about so called peaceful protest that are far from peaceful, with the throwing rocks, bricks, frozen water bottles and using lasers to blind cops. They are also certainty not mentioning
    anything about the innocent children getting killed by stray bullets within their own homes, no no no can't mention that. Hypocrisy!

    The Democratic Party needs these individuals for their vote. Realizing this they within media play upon simpleton emotions of these people and start
    making the story about how cops are bad which leads to de-funding the police, with a movement by BLM which fuels these falsehoods and these scumbags within BLM even had chant "Pigs in A Blanket, Fry 'Em Like Bacon." Why is that ok? When it really should be criticized and ridiculed with logic accordingly.

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Fri Aug 14 20:36:00 2020
    On 08-08-20, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:

    On 08-07-20 13:24, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-


    It depends. If it were always a deadly weapon, then why bother using it instead of a gun? It is only a deadly weapon in some situations -- and this was not one of them.


    The state in which this happened had previously ruled a taser a *deadly weapon*!


    Because Dale. Brooks ... did ... have ... a ... gun ...


    Really? That is not in any of the reporting. Enlighten us all as to DS>your evidence that he had a gun during the incident that led to his
    being shot in the back.


    Shipp likes to whip words and twist facts in an attempt to play the lefties' favorite game; a never-ending flow of BS till the person he's aiming his crap at gets tired of having to counter all his mis-information and stops talking
    on whatever subject he's infusing false info into.


    There is no area of confusion or no ability to twist either, when it
    fits your narrative. You can't have it both way when it suits you.
    The District Attorney ruled that the use of a taser "IS" a deadly
    weapon.


    Quote the ruling. When is a taser a deadly weapon?


    See; "The state in which this happened had previously ruled a taser a *deadly weapon*.


    I do not believe
    that it can be considered as such when discharged randomly in the air DS>from a considerable distance. Site the ruling that shows I am wrong.


    I did not see or hear that in the video -- show me the time spot where
    it occurred.

    Again the video can be found at

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5QEnGkIbzA

    1:34 and then from there it shows in detail what those charges were.

    OK since it was not on the video in question, you dug up some other
    video by a youtube blogger. I'm sure that if one searches enough they DS>can come up with some source to say anything they want to say. In any DS>case, looking at time 3:12 the blogger goes on to claim that the DA has DS>declared that a taser is a deadly weapon. He presents a chart from the DS>GA code that he claims supports his statement. However, it explicitly DS>outlines conditions under which an object might result in a charge of DS>aggravated assault. That article doe not mention a taser, and for the DS>case in question the taser as discharged by Brooks does not fit the DS>definition in the statue. It was not discharged in a manner that did or DS>could result in serious bodily harm.


    Try again if you can come up with a credible source.


    An argument with a leftie democrat is an endless (and useless) endeavor.


    It doesn't matter what the actual facts are, a leftie will twist the real
    facts and also make up their own.


    Why bother?


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