• Impeachment Inquiry

    From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to All on Wed Sep 25 02:40:08 2019
    Hello Everybody,

    I wonder what took Speaker Pelosi so long to finally
    say the magic words?

    Must have been the orange one's collusion with Ukraine,
    rather than Russia, that tipped her off ...

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Sep 25 13:49:00 2019
    I wonder what took Speaker Pelosi so long to finally
    say the magic words?

    I suspect that she has a touch of self respect, and didn't want to disgrace herself with another witch-hunt, but she caved in to the pressure from highly intelligent individuals like those of the squad. She's an old lady and Alexandria is mentally unstable; it could have been a dangerous situation for little ol Nancy.

    Liberal magic tricks are for kids.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 26 04:08:54 2019
    Hello Aaron,

    I wonder what took Speaker Pelosi so long to finally
    say the magic words?

    I suspect that she has a touch of self respect, and didn't want to disgrace
    herself with another witch-hunt, but she caved in to the pressure from
    highly intelligent individuals like those of the squad.

    I thought she had jumped the gun, and made a colossal mistake
    in American politics. But that was yesterday, before the events
    of the phone call between Trump and Zelensky were made known.

    She's an old lady and Alexandria is mentally unstable; it could have been a
    dangerous situation for little ol Nancy.

    She remains mentally sharp, even though she is in her late 70s.
    I would not expect her to make mistakes, especially big ones.
    And yet, strange things happen in politics. What is why I found
    it surprising for her to have called for a formal impeachment
    inquiry when she did.

    Liberal magic tricks are for kids.

    As of right now, the Democrats are two votes short of having
    things their way in regards to having enough votes to impeach.
    And that is without counting any Republicans who might vote
    their way.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Sep 26 07:29:30 2019
    On 25 Sep 2019, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    I wonder what took Speaker Pelosi so long to finally
    say the magic words?
    She is being pushed by the radical left, there is an abundant supply of
    I told ya so, to push back in a bidirectional fashion to quiet every liberal voice calling for this insanity.

    Must have been the orange one's collusion with Ukraine,
    rather than Russia, that tipped her off ...

    There was no collusion. I'll prove it 100 %

    UNCLASSIFIED
    Declassified by order of the President September 24, 2019
    MEMORANDUM OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION
    SUBJECT: Telephone Conversation with President Zelenskyy of Ukraine PARTICIPANTS: President Zelenskyy of Ukraine
    Notetakers: The White House Situation
    Room DATE, TIME July 25, 2019, 9:03 -9:33 a.m. EDT AND PLACE: Residence

    The President: Congratulations on a great victory. We all watched from the United States and you did a terrific job. The way you came from
    behind, somebody who wasn't given much of a chance, and you ended up winning easily. It's a fantastic achievement. Congratulations.

    President Zelenskyy: You are absolutely right Mr. President. We did win big
    and we worked hard for this. We worked a lot but I would like to confess to
    you that I had an opportunity to learn from you. We used quite a few of your skills and knowledge and were able to use it as an example for our elections and yes it is true that these were unique elections. We were in a unique situation that we were able to achieve a unique success. I'm able to tell you the following; the first time, you called me to congratulate me when I won my presidential election, and the second time you are now calling me when my
    party won the parliamentary election. I think I should run more often so you can call me more often and we can talk over the phone more often.

    The President: [laughter] That's a very good idea. I think your country is
    very happy about that.

    President Zelenskyy: Well yes, to tell you the truth, we are trying to work hard because we wanted to drain the swamp here in our country. We brought in many many new people. Not the old politicians, not the typical politicians, because we want to have a new format and a new type of government. You are a great teacher for us and in that.

    The President: Well it's very nice of you to say that. I will say that we do
    a lot for Ukraine. We spend a lot of effort and a lot of time. Much more than the European countries are doing and they should be helping you more than
    they are. Germany does almost nothing for you. All they do is talk and I
    think it's something that you should really ask them about. When I was
    speaking to Angela Merkel she talks Ukraine, but she doesn't do anything. A
    lot of the European countries are the same way so I think it's something you want to look at but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are happening
    that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine.

    President Zelenskyy: Yes you are absolutely right. Not only 100%, but
    actually 100% and I can tell you the following; I did talk to Angela Merkel
    and I did meet with her. I also met and talked with Macron and I told them
    that they are not doing quite as much as they need to be doing on the issues with the sanctions. They are not enforcing the sanctions. They are not
    working as much as they should work for Ukraine. It turns out that even
    though logically, the European Union should be our biggest partner but technically the United States is a much bigger partner than the European
    Union and I'm very grateful to you for that because the United States is
    doing quite a lot for Ukraine. Much more than the European Union, especially when we are talking about sanctions against the Russian Federation. I would also like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.

    The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server,
    they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people.
    I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it, if that's possible.

    President Zelenskyy: Yes it is very important for me and everything that you just mentioned earlier. For me as a President, is very important and we are open for any future cooperation. We are ready to open a new page on cooperation in relations between the United States and Ukraine. For that purpose, I just recalled our ambassador from United States and he will be replaced by a very competent and very experienced ambassador who will work
    hard on making sure that our two nations are getting closer. I would also
    like and hope to see him having your trust and your confidence and have personal relations with you so we can cooperate even more. I will personally tell you that one of my assistants spoke with Mr. Giuliani just recently and
    we are hoping very much that Mr. Giuliani will be able to travel to Ukraine
    and we will meet once he comes to Ukraine. I just wanted to assure you once again that you have nobody but friends around us. I will make sure that I surround myself with the best and most experienced people. I also wanted to tell you that we are friends. We are great friends and you Mr.President have friends in our country so we can continue our strategic partnership. I also plan to surround myself with great people and in addition to that investigation, I guarantee as the President of Ukraine that all the investigations will be done openly and candidly. That I can assure you.

    The President: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good
    and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I
    will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much
    knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to
    him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were
    bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, there's a lot
    of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.

    President Zelenskyy: I wanted to tell you about the prosecutor. First of all,
    I understand and I'm knowledgeable about the situation. Since we have won the absolute majority in our Parliament, the next prosecutor general will be 100% my person, my candidate, who will be approved by the parliament and will start as a new prosecutor in September. He or she will look into the situation, specifically to the company that you mentioned in this issue. The issue of the investigation of the case is actually the issue of making sure to restore the honesty so we will take care of that and will work on the investigation of the case. On top of that, I would kindly ask you if you have any additional information that you can provide to us, it would be very helpful for the investigation to make sure that we administer justice in our country with regard to the Ambassador to the United States from Ukraine as far as I recall her name was Ivanovich. It was great that you were the first one who told me that she was a bad ambassador because I agree with you 100%. Her attitude towards me was far from the best as she admired the previous President and
    she was on his side. She would not accept me as a new President well enough.

    The President: Well, she's going to go through some things. I will have Mr. Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to have Attorney General Barr call and we will get to the bottom of it. I'm sure you will figure it out. I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly and he was a very fair prosecutor so good luck with everything. Your economy is going to get better and better
    I predict. You have a lot of assets. It's a great country. I have many Ukrainian friends, their incredible people.

    President Zelenskyy: I would like to tell you that I also have quite a few Ukrainian friends that live in the United States. Actually last time I
    traveled to the United States, I stayed in New York near Central Park and I stayed at the Trump Tower. I will talk to them and I hope to see them again
    in the future. I also wanted to thank you for your invitation to visit the United States, specifically Washington, C.C. On the other hand, I also want to ensure you that we will be very serious about the case and will work on the investigation. As to the economy, there is much potential for our two countries and one of the issues that is very important for Ukraine is energy independence. I believe we can be very successful and cooperating on energy independence with United States. We are already working on cooperation. We are buying American oil but I am very hopeful for a future meeting. We will have more time and more opportunities to discuss these opportunities and get to know each other better. I would like to thank you very much for your support.

    The President: Good. Well, thank you very much and I appreciate that. I will tell Rudy and Attorney General Barr to call. Thank you. Whenever you would like to come to the White House, feel free to call. Give us a date and we'll work that out. I look forward to seeing you. President Zelenskyy: Thank you very much. I would be very happy to come and would be happy to meet with you personally and get to know you better. I am looking forward to our meeting and I would also like to invite you to visit Ukraine and come to the city of Kyiv which is a beautiful city. We have a beautiful country which would welcome
    you. On the other hand, I believe that on September 1 we will be in Poland and we can meet in Poland hopefully. After that, it might be a very good idea for you to travel to Ukraine. We can either take my plane and go to Ukraine or we can take your plane, which is probably much better than mine.

    The President: Okay, we can work that out. I look forward to seeing you in Washington and maybe in Poland because I think we are going to be there at
    that time.

    President Zelenskyy: Thank you very much Mr. President.

    The President: Congratulations on a fantastic job you've done. The whole
    world was watching. I'm not sure it was so much of an upset but congratulations.

    President Zelenskyy: Thank you Mr. President bye-bye.

    There you have it citizens, word for word.
    Like I said there is no collision.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Sep 26 21:25:42 2019
    Hello Greg,

    I wonder what took Speaker Pelosi so long to finally
    say the magic words?

    She is being pushed by the radical left, there is an abundant supply of I
    told ya so, to push back in a bidirectional fashion to quiet every liberal voice calling for this insanity.

    Impeachment is the step that is outlined in the US Constitution
    as the remedy for this type of situation. As such, Speaker Pelosi
    is doing the job she is authorized to do, and expected of her, by
    the people of this great country.

    Must have been the orange one's collusion with Ukraine,
    rather than Russia, that tipped her off ...

    There was no collusion. I'll prove it 100 %

    If so, then please turn over the voice recordings of that phone call.

    UNCLASSIFIED
    Declassified by order of the President September 24, 2019
    MEMORANDUM OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION
    SUBJECT: Telephone Conversation with President Zelenskyy of Ukraine >PARTICIPANTS: President Zelenskyy of Ukraine
    Notetakers: The White House Situation
    Room DATE, TIME July 25, 2019, 9:03 -9:33 a.m. EDT AND PLACE: Residence

    A memo. Doctored transcript, released by the White House, authorized
    by Donald Trump. Not really a transcript at all, but a recollection
    of what was said, as claimed by Donald Trump.

    5 pages.
    The memo says 30 minutes.
    I see 9:03-9:33 EDT.
    The transcription "read" is only 11 minutes of dialogue.
    Between two men who are both fluent in English.

    You are telling me someone reading the memo (composed by the WH)
    out loud and deciding that's how long the call must have been?

    That is nonsense, and utter bs!

    Go ahead. Read it. Out loud. Time yourself.

    And then ask yourself what happened to the other 19 minutes.

    Imagine that. 19 minutes longer than the claim of 11 minutes long.
    Of a conversation that was 30 minutes, noting the time display.

    This was one minute longer than Nixon's famous gap in the tapes
    of his "transcripts" during the days of Watergate.

    Something tells me your beloved president is lying.
    Or at least telling a very tall tale.

    What we need is details.

    The devil is in the detail. Always is, always will be.

    Time to turn over the evidence.

    All of it.

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Sep 26 23:59:34 2019
    A memo. Doctored transcript, released by the White House, authorized

    Let's get into the juicy part of all this..

    If Trump was snitching on Joe Biden's son, that makes him a snitch, which I understand that liberals don't like snitches, because they are a threat to
    all things liberal. Understandable..

    But is Trump's snitchy behavior more of a big deal to you than Biden's corruption? Asking to have a prosecutor fired for investigating little
    Hunter?

    If you're gonna wipe down with Trump, you should wipe up with Biden.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Sep 27 12:36:32 2019

    Impeachment is the step that is outlined in the US Constitution
    as the remedy for this type of situation. As such, Speaker Pelosi
    is doing the job she is authorized to do, and expected of her, by
    the people of this great country.

    Oh please, don't give me line, everybody knows she does give a dam about the U.S. Constitution, she only cares about enriching herself w/ money, power, and boarding her base by offering things which she has no business offering like freebies illegals and other downtrodden.

    Must have been the orange one's collusion with Ukraine,

    It's no mystery why the left has a big deal over Trump and his call with the new Ukrainian PM. It's a means to distract with Hunter Biden, now there is a story that be proven and is on tape.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Sep 27 22:00:46 2019
    Hello Aaron,

    A memo. Doctored transcript, released by the White House, authorized

    Let's get into the juicy part of all this..

    It's a smear. Trump is losing so badly he has no choice but to stoop
    to the level of attempting to smear his opponent(s) with innuendoes,
    untruths, and downright lies. Only this time, it is not working as he
    had planned.

    If Trump was snitching on Joe Biden's son, that makes him a snitch, which I
    understand that liberals don't like snitches, because they are a threat to all things liberal. Understandable..

    Trump is a threat to us all, undermining our democracy. Some would
    call it treason, given his love for dictators such as Kim Jong-un and
    Vladimir Putin.

    But is Trump's snitchy behavior more of a big deal to you than Biden's >corruption? Asking to have a prosecutor fired for investigating little >Hunter?

    "From the perspective of Ukrainian legislation, he [Hunter Biden]
    did not violate anything. ... Hunter Biden cannot be responsible for
    violations of the management of Burisma that took place two years
    before his arrival." ~Yuri Lutsenka, a former Ukrainian prosecutor,
    The Washington Post, 9/26/2019

    Hunter Biden has been investigated by Ukraine, twice, and found
    innocent. If Donald Trump wants to have another investigation, he
    should ask his Attorney General Bob Barr to look into the matter.
    After all, Donald Trump is supposed to be the President of the
    United States, not Ukraine.

    If you're gonna wipe down with Trump, you should wipe up with Biden.

    Guilt by accusation is a favorite among dictators.

    "Lock her up!" ~legions of Trump fans chanting about Hillary Clinton

    Does anybody really think she is concerned about Trump's threat?
    Nah. She is happy as a lark, visiting her daughter and grandkids.
    And helping her husband with his daily tasks.

    Hunter Biden is a lawyer by training. Do you think he is scared
    about Trump's threat? Nah. He has already been exonerated. Twice.

    The Ukrainian president is not going to do Donald Trump's dirty work.

    This is not Sicily, ruled by a godfather who sends out hitmen to
    get others to do his dirty work. That is what Democrats are reminding
    Donald Trump of with their message of impeachment.

    --Lee

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  • From Tim Richardson@1:123/140 to All on Fri Sep 27 15:40:00 2019
    On 09-25-19, LEE LOFASO said to ALL:

    Hello Everybody,

    I wonder what took Speaker Pelosi so long to finally
    say the magic words?

    Must have been the orange one's collusion with Ukraine,
    rather than Russia, that tipped her off ...


    Oh...I think the idiot democrats stepped in it big this time!


    A few things......let me look at some things I found this past week.....



    First of all....where were the democrats with the `impeachment' vote when Joe Biden as vice-president, takes his son Hunter on a trip he made to Asia, and less than half a month later Hunter Biden has a billion (thats BILLION...with
    a `B'...) dollar deal in private equity involving china? Hunter Biden knows
    as much about private equity as I know about Hulk Hogan's special recipe for chili con carne!


    Then.....surprise!.....the whole thing ends up (along with his uncle, Joe Biden's brother) involved in huge law suits involving fraud!


    So....the vice president makes a trip involving China with his son, which ends up putting his son and his brother in a billion dollar deal!


    Change the names a little.....say from Joe Biden to Donald Trump; and from Hunter Biden to Donald Trump jr....and the impeachment would have already started before Air Force 2 had touched down on the return trip!


    .....crickets!


    Lets look at another one.....be right back.....yeah, the Ukraine thingy.....


    Hunter Biden recieved millions of dollars from a Ukrainian company called `Burisma Holdings' while his father Joe (who was vice-president of the United States at the time) was directing $1.8 billion to the Ukraine.


    Nothing was said...not a peep! .....crickets!


    Again...change the names from Joe Biden to Donald Trump...Hunter Biden to Donald Trump jr....and the democrats would have come unglued! The impeachment would probably still be going on!


    Lets go into this Ukrainian Hunter Biden a little deeper.....


    Joe Biden, as vice-president, was made point person on policy towards Ukraine in the Hussein Obama administration.


    Biden went to Ukraine a whole bunch of times during that period. He steered $1.8 billion in aide to the Ukrainian government. Four months later...his son Hunter gets a windfall deal with an energy company there called `Burisma'.


    Burisma is an exploration and energy company based in Ukraine. It operates in the oil and gas market, and is the largest private natural gas producer in Ukraine.


    Not long after Joe `steered' this $1.8 billion to Ukraine...Hunter Biden's firm; Rosemont Seneca Partners Ltd; recieved regular transfers of over
    $166.000 a month! This during a period when Joe Biden was the main US official dealing with Ukraine. IOW....Joe Biden used his official position as a US politician (and taxpayer money plus government resources BTW) to enrich his family!


    ......crickets!


    A Ukraine prosecutor was investigating the energy company (which Joe's son Hunter sat on the board of). The case involved Hunter Biden and the company's owner, and Burisma itself. Hunter Biden recieved $3 million which was `laundered' through Latvia and Cyprus and then into the US.



    .....crickets!


    Joe Biden bragged that he'd stop the money if they didn't fire that prosecutor handling the case!


    "I looked at them and I said "I'm leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired by then, you're not getting the money. Well..son of a bitch...he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time." " ...Joe
    Biden


    .....crickets!


    Biden's firm; Rosemont Seneca Partners; Recieved payments of over $166,000 a month for (cue the crickets) a period running from spring of 2014 through the fall of 2015, which totaled over $3 million dollars!



    ....crickets!











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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Sep 27 18:34:44 2019
    It's a smear. Trump is losing so badly he has no choice but to stoop

    Losing what? His fan base is growing stronger every day. He's very likable
    and appreciated by most.

    Trump is a threat to us all, undermining our democracy. Some would

    The dems gave Trump the White House by nominating Hillary. Are they dissatisfied with their pick now?

    Hunter Biden has been investigated by Ukraine, twice, and found
    innocent. If Donald Trump wants to have another investigation, he

    Trump & Hunter have something in common then. Withhuntees. What about that Russia investigation? Shouldn't Trump collude with them some more instead of trying to push Ukranian buttons? How's Adam Schiff doing with that whole
    thing?

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  • From Albert Miller@1:3634/12 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Sep 27 21:52:08 2019
    > This is not Sicily, ruled by a godfather who sends out hitmen to
    get others to do his dirty work. That is what Democrats are reminding Donald Trump of with their message of impeachment.

    Wow - The level of paranoia and panic of the liberal left is amusing. It’s funny how its ok for them
    to investigate a candidate and throw out allegations that cant be proven (work with foreign
    companies on dirt) and continue down the narrative but dont like it when the finger gets pointed
    back.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Sep 28 05:06:06 2019
    Hello Greg,

    Impeachment is the step that is outlined in the US Constitution
    as the remedy for this type of situation. As such, Speaker Pelosi
    is doing the job she is authorized to do, and expected of her, by
    the people of this great country.

    Oh please, don't give me line, everybody knows she does give a dam about the
    U.S. Constitution, she only cares about enriching herself w/ money, power, and boarding her base by offering things which she has no business offering like freebies illegals and other downtrodden.

    "We have to put country before party." ~Nancy Pelosi, 9/26/2019

    Last I heard, Nancy Pelosi was freely elected Speaker by all members
    of the House, not selected by members of her own party (or anybody from Russia).

    Must have been the orange one's collusion with Ukraine,

    It's no mystery why the left has a big deal over Trump and his call with the
    new Ukrainian PM. It's a means to distract with Hunter Biden, now there is
    a story that be proven and is on tape.

    It is *President* Volodymyr Zelensky, who was freely elected by his
    own people, and not a puppet of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
    Unlike the current occupant of the White House, President Zelensky
    remains highly popular in his own country.

    As for another Ukrainian investigation of Hunter Biden, there
    will be no investigation at all. After all, Ukraine has already
    exonerated him of having done any wrongdoing - twice.

    Furthermore, Trump's envoy to Ukraine quit. What a laugh riot
    this is turning out to be.

    Just wait until everybody gets to read the transcript of what
    the whistleblower told the Congress ...

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Sep 28 10:49:04 2019
    On 28 Sep 2019, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Hello Greg,

    Impeachment is the step that is outlined in the US Constitution
    as the remedy for this type of situation. As such, Speaker Pelosi >LL>is doing the job she is authorized to do, and expected of her, by >LL>the people of this great country.

    Oh please, don't give me line, everybody knows she does give a dam about
    U.S. Constitution, she only cares about enriching herself w/ money, powe and boarding her base by offering things which she has no business offer like freebies illegals and other downtrodden.

    "We have to put country before party." ~Nancy Pelosi, 9/26/2019

    Last I heard, Nancy Pelosi was freely elected Speaker by all members
    of the House, not selected by members of her own party (or anybody from Russia).

    Must have been the orange one's collusion with Ukraine,

    It's no mystery why the left has a big deal over Trump and his call with
    new Ukrainian PM. It's a means to distract with Hunter Biden, now there a story that be proven and is on tape.

    It is *President* Volodymyr Zelensky, who was freely elected by his
    own people, and not a puppet of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
    Unlike the current occupant of the White House, President Zelensky
    remains highly popular in his own country.

    As for another Ukrainian investigation of Hunter Biden, there
    will be no investigation at all. After all, Ukraine has already exonerated him of having done any wrongdoing - twice.

    You might as well come out and say it. "There is nothing to see here"
    Truth is... The investigation is already underway into Hunter Biden w/ the Ukraine and for the matter China too. Hunter is the "achilles heel" of the Democratic Party. I would of liked to of pointed out that it will be Hunter that lost the keys to The White House for his father, but the real truth is that Joe Biden does not have a chance in hell in beating Trump.

    Furthermore, Trump's envoy to Ukraine quit.
    Your assuming that just because he quit it is damming for Trump.

    The complaint alleges that Volker went to Kiev in late July and met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and other Ukrainian political figures and "reportedly provided advice to the Ukrainian leadership about how to 'navigate' the demands that the President had made of Mr. Zelenskyy."

    The whistleblower complaint focuses on a call Mr. Trump made to the president of Ukraine in July, during which he asked Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden, who sat on the board off Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian natural gas company, despite lacking substantive experience working in Ukraine or the energy sector. He received compensation that was reportedly as high as $50,000 a month.

    This $50,000 a month was not because Hunter intellectually smart in the natural gas business (that was the carpet that was meant to cover) the real reasoning for this sum being paid each month, it was for Access to the Obama Administration. This is what the investigation will discover.

    As far as the impeachment proceedings it is nothing more then a smoke screen to add layers of democratic protection to hide the truth from the American people of what really happened. The Democrats are trying to provide the cover and the assurance through these impeachment process as it will or so they think that this will provide an additional level of complexity so that previous administration will not be dragged through the mud and not to ruin Joe Biden chances of becoming President. This dog and pony show will be canceled before it even starts it's tour of lies.

    When it is revealed of the what the Democrats were attempting to do, The American people will put the final nail in the Democratic coffin for the next next 12 years.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Sep 29 02:42:36 2019
    Hello Aaron,

    It's a smear. Trump is losing so badly he has no choice but LL>to stoop

    Losing what? His fan base is growing stronger every day. He's very likable
    and appreciated by most.

    Joe Biden says it is a smear. I will take his word for it.
    Trump's base continues to shrinken with each and every day.
    Those who remain may be more vocal than ever before, but
    just because they are able to shout louder and longer does
    not mean that Trump is guaranteed a victory over anybody.

    Trump is a threat to us all, undermining our democracy. Some would

    The dems gave Trump the White House by nominating Hillary. Are they >dissatisfied with their pick now?

    I will agree that Hillary ran a poor campaign. Especially the last
    two weeks. Even though there were other factors that were to blame
    for her loss, it was mainly due to her own mismanagement.

    The Democrats have yet to decide who they wish to nominate. It
    may be Biden. It may be Warren. It may be Sanders. It may be
    Mayor Pete. It may be someone else from the crowded field. It
    may even be somebody who has yet to drop his/her own hat into
    the ring.

    Bill Clinton did not enter the presidential sweepstakes until
    13 months before the general election. Did not bother contesting
    the Iowa caucus, and came in second place in the New Hampshire
    primary. Then declared himself as being "The Comeback Kid" -
    going on to win the Democratic nomination and then defeating the
    incumbent POTUS George HW Bush.

    Such things do happen in the world of politics.

    Hunter Biden has been investigated by Ukraine, twice, and found >LL>innocent. If Donald Trump wants to have another investigation, he

    Trump & Hunter have something in common then. Withhuntees. What about that >Russia investigation? Shouldn't Trump collude with them some more instead of >trying to push Ukranian buttons? How's Adam Schiff doing with that whole >thing?

    Donald Trump is a failed businessman.
    Hunter Biden is a successful lawyer.
    The Mueller Report has been turned over to the DOJ,
    with a sanitized version released to the public.
    Donald Trump remains Vladimir Putin's favorite plaything.
    Adam Schiff is taking notes, and asking questions.

    What else is new?

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Albert Miller on Sun Sep 29 02:42:48 2019
    Hello Albert,

    This is not Sicily, ruled by a godfather who sends out hitmen to
    get others to do his dirty work. That is what Democrats are reminding >>Donald Trump of with their message of impeachment.

    Wow - The level of paranoia and panic of the liberal left is amusing.
    It’s funny how its ok for them to investigate a candidate and throw out
    allegations that cant be proven (work with foreign companies on dirt) and continue down the narrative but dont like it when the
    finger gets pointed back.

    Guilt by accusation is a smear tactic that has been used before
    by Donald Trump. "Lock her up!" was a popular chant many of his
    followers used in reference to Hillary Clinton, his opponent in
    the 2016 election. The new chant will be "Lock him up!" in
    reference to Joe Biden, who will likely be his opponent in the
    upcoming 2020 election.

    Of course, as we all know, Hillary Clinton was never charged
    or convicted of any crime. And neither has Joe Biden or his son.

    Crooked Joe is finished.

    Last I heard he remains the frontrunner for the Democractic
    nomination. And also well ahead in the polls against future
    opponent Donald Trump.

    Time for the next contender to come up against Trump.

    Doesn't really matter which candidate wins the Democratic nomination,
    as virtually all of them come out winning the main event.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Sep 29 02:42:52 2019
    Hello Greg,

    As for another Ukrainian investigation of Hunter Biden, there
    will be no investigation at all. After all, Ukraine has already >LL>exonerated him of having done any wrongdoing - twice.

    You might as well come out and say it. "There is nothing to see here"

    Not from the Ukrainian point of view, as they have no plans
    to conduct a third investigation into the Biden affair, having
    found nothing in the first two investigations showing he had
    done anything wrong.

    Truth is... The investigation is already underway into Hunter Biden w/ the
    Ukraine and for the matter China too.

    There is no such investigation. And none in the works.

    Hunter is the "achilles heel" of the Democratic Party.

    Hunter Biden is a lawyer. And apparently has no plans to run
    for president. Of either the US or Ukraine.

    I would of liked to of pointed out that it will be Hunter that lost the keys
    to The White House for his father,

    Hunter Biden is not running for president of anything.

    but the real truth is that Joe Biden does not have a chance in hell in
    beating Trump.

    Every credible poll shows otherwise. But then, it is early.
    Elizabeth Warren could upset the apple cart and win the Democratic
    nomination, becoming the first female POTUS. Or Mayor Pete could
    get a job promotion, becoming the first openly gay POTUS. Hell,
    at the rate Trump is going, Barney the Dinosaur could wind up
    winning it all.

    But let's get real. Sticking to the facts, here is the timeline
    of events, showing some of Trump's lies concerning his latest scandal -

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/09/ukraine-timeline-shows- trump-lying.html


    Furthermore, Trump's envoy to Ukraine quit.

    Your assuming that just because he quit it is damming for Trump.

    It sure is an embarrassment for Trump. Especially at this time.

    The complaint alleges that Volker went to Kiev in late July and met with >Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and other Ukrainian political figures >and "reportedly provided advice to the Ukrainian leadership about how to >'navigate' the demands that the President had made of Mr. Zelenskyy."

    What the president gave us is a `reconstructed transcript' - actually
    a memo rather than a transcript at all. It really tells us noting of
    what the president did or did not do. Only what the president wants
    us to believe.

    As for what the whistleblower is blowing, that is known only to those
    who he/she has told the tale. For his/her own security, this was told
    behind closed doors.

    What you think the whistleblower may have said is your own opinion,
    not facts, as you were not in the same room as those who were.

    The whistleblower complaint focuses on a call Mr. Trump made to the
    president
    of Ukraine in July, during which he asked Zelensky to investigate former
    Vice
    President Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden, who sat on the board off
    Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian natural gas company, despite lacking substantive
    experience working in Ukraine or the energy sector. He received compensation >that was reportedly as high as $50,000 a month.

    What we know is Ukraine prosecutors have found Hunter Biden not guilty
    of having violated Ukrainian law. We also know no new investigation
    will be conducted, as it would be a total waste of time, given the
    outcome of the last two investigations.

    Many of Trump's followers chanted "Lock her up!" in reference to
    Hillary Clinton. Even though she was never charged or convicted of
    any crime. Now many of those same followers are chanting "Lock him
    up!" in reference to Hunter Biden. Even though he has never been
    charge or convicted of any crime.

    Guilt by accusation is both antidemocratic and downright un-American.
    But it does go to show what kind of person Donald Trump is, and always
    has been.

    This $50,000 a month was not because Hunter intellectually smart in the
    natural gas business (that was the carpet that was meant to cover) the real reasoning for this sum being paid each month, it was for Access to the
    Obama Administration. This is what the investigation will discover.

    Oh, come now. Hunter Biden is a lawyer. Lawyers charge a fee
    for their services. Except if it is for a family member or something.
    Which is okay with most folks. Especially if that other person is
    or will be running for POTUS.

    As far as the impeachment proceedings it is nothing more then a smoke screen
    to add layers of democratic protection to hide the truth from the American people of what really happened.

    "The truth? You can't handle the truth!"
    ~ Jack Nicholson, in `A Few Good Men'

    The Democrats are trying to provide the cover and the assurance through
    these impeachment process as it will or so they think that
    this will provide an additional level of complexity so that previous >administration will not be dragged through the mud and not to ruin Joe Biden
    chances of becoming President. This dog and pony show will be canceled
    before it even starts it's tour of lies.

    Well, I already posted an url showing some of Trump's lies.
    That should be enough to ground him from getting re-nominated,
    much less elected to a second term.

    When it is revealed of the what the Democrats were attempting to do, The
    American people will put the final nail in the Democratic coffin for the
    next next 12 years.

    Personally, I think Amy Klobuchar will make a fine president.
    She may be the shortest candidate of the bunch, but she sure packs
    a powerful punch!

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Sep 29 09:18:58 2019

    Not from the Ukrainian point of view, as they have no plans
    to conduct a third investigation into the Biden affair, having
    found nothing in the first two investigations showing he had
    done anything wrong.

    The seeds of corruption exist still within the country of Ukraine, so course it makes since there will be no investigation by such people, but I am sure that there are those within Ukraine that will be more then willing to cooperate with a American investigation.

    How and Why concerning Hunter Biden
    https://tinyurl.com/y2jgvp53

    still unsure?
    watch this one
    https://tinyurl.com/y5blzdmb
    If after you watch the above video, you believe Hunter is innocent, then your part of the problem.

    Hunter Biden is a lawyer.
    True and money is flowing into several bank accounts from foreign countries. (As the second video - demonstrates.

    Hunter Biden is not running for president of anything.

    No but his father is, I am throwing truth bombs at you and your you are still squirming? This dealings through the aid of his Father show a man is
    in a highly conflicting. The American people deserve someone who will not play these money laundry, quid pro quo types of games. Biden is on the defensive as he continues to try to deflect his dealings in 2015 w/ his son.
    For the final laugh... Joe Biden said that once he becomes President he will then fight to stop w/ a law that stops the type of thing what his son has already profited from.

    Mark my words, Joe Biden will either drop out of the race or will be beaten badly by DJT.

    "Now here is something you will really like!" says Rocky from the
    *****************************
    * Rocky and Bullwinkle show *
    *****************************

    https://tinyurl.com/y6apyrs4
    Corruption within Washington, D.C. on the Democratic and the Republican side with Ted Cruz both are Hypocrites.

    This is why Donald Trump was elected in the first place.
    This is also why he will be re-elected another 4 years.

    Elizabeth Warren could upset the apple cart and win the Democratic

    Can you imagine Elizabeth Warren on the Presidential debate stage with Donald Trump?
    She would be KO'd faster then a opponent of Mike Tyson. (at his prime)
    It would make for great television...

    Mayor Pete could get a job promotion, becoming the first openly gay POTUS.

    This will NEVER ever happen.
    if by some very slim chance this occur I will seek citizenship in Germany, because America will cease to exist as I know it today.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:123/525 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Sep 30 18:58:20 2019
    The seeds of corruption exist still within the country of Ukraine, so

    The Biden Scandal is proof of it.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Oct 1 05:15:30 2019
    Hello Aaron,

    The seeds of corruption exist still within the country of Ukraine, so

    The Biden Scandal is proof of it.

    What Biden scandal? Ukraine closed its two investigations into
    the matter, having found no wrongdoing by either of the Bidens.
    Ukraine has also shut the door on the possibility of conducting
    a third investigation (that Trump wanted), with President Zelensky
    reminding folks that Ukraine is an independent country, and that
    as the leader of his country he takes orders from no one.

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Oct 1 09:19:02 2019
    What Biden scandal? Ukraine closed its two investigations into
    the matter, having found no wrongdoing by either of the Bidens.

    I understand that, but to give scandal credit to anyone other than Biden
    would be a liberal magic trick.

    Ukraine doesn't want to investigate the Bidens because Scandalous Joe threatened to without $1 billion from them.

    Joe Biden - once a threat, always a threat.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Oct 3 00:19:02 2019
    On 09-26-19 07:25, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Impeachment Inquiry <=-

    There was no collusion. I'll prove it 100 %

    You keep saying that, and you seem to even believe it -- but then you
    post something that proves you wrong.

    <<SNIP>>
    Ukraine. Much more than the European Union, especially when we are
    talking about sanctions against the Russian Federation. I would also
    like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We
    are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we
    are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for
    defense purposes.

    The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I
    would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of
    things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the
    Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with
    a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever
    you can do, it's very important that you do it, if that's possible.

    Notice the word "Though" up there, as Trump begins to tell the Ukranian President what he wants him to do. Namely, try to reopen a closed investigation into things that might help him win the next election.
    Even if there were no quid pro quo exchange explicitly asked for, it was implied. And even if it were not implied (it was), asking for something
    from a foreign government that might help him get elected would be
    against federal law (which Trump does not believe applies to him).

    President Zelenskyy: Yes it is very important for me and everything
    <<SNIP>>
    you so we can cooperate even more. I will personally tell you that one
    of my assistants spoke with Mr. Giuliani just recently and we are
    hoping very much that Mr. Giuliani will be able to travel to Ukraine
    and we will meet once he comes to Ukraine. I just wanted to assure you

    Giuliani has no business going to Ukraine to discuss foreign affairs.
    That is state department's business. Giuliani is a private lawyer for
    citizen Trump and not part of the administration.

    <<SNIP>>
    want to let you know that. The other thing, there's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people
    want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.

    And here Trump blanently solicts aid from a foreign government to
    produce dirt on his political rival. Something he thinks is perfectly
    OK -- but he is very wrong.



    There you have it citizens, word for word.
    Like I said there is no collision.

    Or at least as much of a word for word as Trump released -- and in it,
    he admits to illegal behavior.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Oct 4 01:30:08 2019
    On 09-29-19 09:14, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Impeachment Inquiry <=-

    The seeds of corruption exist still within the country of
    Ukraine, so course it
    makes since there will be no investigation by such people, but I am
    sure that there are those within Ukraine that will be more then
    willing to cooperate with
    a American investigation.

    None of what you say there matters. What matters is that President
    Trump asked for help finding OpEd info on a potential opponent in the
    next election. That is a federal offense all by itself, whether or not
    such help was agreed to or provided. Furthermore, he implicitly tied
    such a request to their request for military support via anti-tank
    missles to help them combat Russia. That is a further abuse of office,
    namely using federal funds (or withholding them) for personal gain.

    How and Why concerning Hunter Biden
    https://tinyurl.com/y2jgvp53

    still unsure?
    watch this one
    https://tinyurl.com/y5blzdmb
    If after you watch the above video, you believe Hunter is innocent,
    then your part of the problem.

    IT does not matter whether or not Hunter is innocent.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Fri Oct 4 18:45:24 2019
    On 03 Oct 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 09-26-19 07:25, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Impeachment Inquiry <=-

    There was no collusion. I'll prove it 100 %

    You keep saying that, and you seem to even believe it -- but then you
    post something that proves you wrong.

    This impeachment is unraveling & rotting faster then a high speed time
    lapse video of a banana left out on the counter for several days.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Fri Oct 4 18:48:52 2019
    On 04 Oct 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 09-29-19 09:14, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Impeachment Inquiry <=-

    The seeds of corruption exist still within the country of
    Ukraine, so course it
    makes since there will be no investigation by such people, but I am sure that there are those within Ukraine that will be more then willing to cooperate with
    a American investigation.

    None of what you say there matters.

    Nope, you got it twisted yet again, time is an ally of truth, things are already starting to fall apart and the lies of the democrats are coming into focus hour by hour, day by day. Soon they be completely exposed.

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  • From Mark Lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Oct 4 18:52:36 2019

    On 2019 Oct 04 18:41:24, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    There was no collusion. I'll prove it 100 %

    You keep saying that, and you seem to even believe it -- but then you
    post something that proves you wrong.

    This impeachment is unraveling & rotting faster then a high speed time lapse video of a banana left out on the counter for several days.

    you do realize that black bananas are at their ripest point, don't you? even when they start shriveling they are still viable for use... especially in bread or pancakes ;)

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Mark Lewis on Sat Oct 5 08:59:38 2019
    On 04 Oct 2019, mark lewis said the following...


    On 2019 Oct 04 18:41:24, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    There was no collusion. I'll prove it 100 %

    You keep saying that, and you seem to even believe it -- but then yo
    post something that proves you wrong.

    This impeachment is unraveling & rotting faster then a high speed tim lapse video of a banana left out on the counter for several days.

    you do realize that black bananas are at their ripest point, don't you? even when they start shriveling they are still viable for use... especially in bread or pancakes ;)

    Yes of course I knew that, because I'm Vegan. The point has been made. but I will clarify. Efforts from within the left are falling apart and unraveling. The liberal media spends tens of thousands of dollars to spin it's web of
    lies and misinformation as it attempts to support the liberal agenda.
    Then real journalists discover the real what, when and why.
    Democratic politicians like pencil neck Adam Schiff parses and sidesteps and blatantly and deliberately takes comments out of context to a level that
    earns him the title of idiot.

    Episode 1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3Rut64GDgA














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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Sat Oct 5 08:38:26 2019
    IT does not matter whether or not Hunter is innocent.

    That's true. What matters is whether or not Joe Biden is innocent. He is the one at the center of this massive Joe Biden Scandal.

    We need Joe Biden & Barrack Obama put behind bars before they start seeking asylum in Iran. We have no extradition treaty with them. There was no room in the cash plane for an extradition treaty.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Oct 6 02:28:00 2019
    On 10-04-19 18:41, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Impeachment Inquiry <=-

    This impeachment is unraveling & rotting faster then a high speed time lapse video of a banana left out on the counter for several days.

    I agree -- it is looking worse and worse for Trump each day. It also is begining to look like he might not be the only one implicated.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Oct 6 02:30:02 2019
    On 10-04-19 18:44, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Impeachment Inquiry <=-

    GD> The seeds of corruption exist still within the country of
    GD> Ukraine, so course it
    GD> makes since there will be no investigation by such people, but I am
    GD> sure that there are those within Ukraine that will be more then
    GD> willing to cooperate with
    GD> a American investigation.

    None of what you say there matters.

    Nope, you got it twisted yet again, time is an ally of truth, things
    are already starting to fall apart and the lies of the democrats are coming into focus hour by hour, day by day. Soon they be completely exposed.

    What lies of the democrats? You are twisted. It is Trump who keeps
    telling lies. And then he goes on live television and commits another
    felony by asking China to help with his campaign.

    Are you sure that you do not live in Australia, with your head buried in
    the sand like an ostrich?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Merlock@1:261/1036 to Dale Shipp on Sun Oct 6 07:49:30 2019
    > What lies of the democrats? You are twisted. It is Trump who keeps
    telling lies. And then he goes on live television and commits another felony by asking China to help with his campaign.

    You are drawing conclusions - prove het asked them to “help his campaign”. Another view is that
    as the chief law enforcement officer he is going after corruption from the Obama administration.
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  • From Merlock@1:261/1036 to All on Sun Oct 6 07:50:34 2019
    > What lies of the democrats? You are twisted. It is Trump who keeps
    telling lies. And then he goes on live television and commits another felony by asking China to help with his campaign.

    You are drawing conclusions - prove het asked them to “help his campaign”. Another view is that
    as the chief law enforcement officer he is going after corruption from the Obama administration.

    Adding my real name - Al Miller
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sun Oct 6 13:19:58 2019
    On 06 Oct 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    None of what you say there matters.

    Nope, you got it twisted yet again, time is an ally of truth, things are already starting to fall apart and the lies of the democrats are coming into focus hour by hour, day by day. Soon they be completely exposed.

    What lies of the democrats? You are twisted. It is Trump who keeps telling lies. And then he goes on live television and commits another felony by asking China to help with his campaign.

    Why in your mind is it considered problematic or as you have suggested a (felony) to investigate Hunter Biden to discover the crimes that may be connected to the previous Vice President Biden who now is running for President of the United States of America? Hunter Biden traveled there aboard Air Force 2 many times with his father Joe Biden.

    Hunter Biden knew about the same gas business as you and I combined and yet
    he received 50K a month. This is extremely shady, was he paid 50K so that access to the United States through Hunter Biden via to his father who was Joe Biden Vice President of the United States, that is what the American investigation is all about. That is what is believed, but this is a Republican administration we dont operate like the Democrats where we use the power of the media to put out accusations paint a tale that triggers impeachment. We find the the truth and then hold you accountable for your
    actions.

    Was Trump lying when...
    he promised and delivered on the following...

    Economic Growth
    4.2 percent growth in the second quarter of 2018.
    For the first time in more than a decade, growth is projected to exceed 3 percent over the calendar year.

    Jobs
    4 million new jobs have been created since the election, and more than 3.5 million since Trump took office.
    More Americans are employed now than ever before in our history.
    Jobless claims at lowest level in nearly five decades.
    The economy has achieved the longest positive job-growth streak on record.
    Job openings are at an all-time high and outnumber job seekers for the first time on record. Unemployment claims at 50 year low African-American, Hispanic, and Asian-American unemployment rates have all recently reached record lows. African-American unemployment hit a record low of 5.9 percent in May 2018. Hispanic unemployment at 4.5 percent. Asian-American unemployment at record
    low of 2 percent. Womens unemployment recently at lowest rate in nearly 65 years. Female unemployment dropped to 3.6 percent in May 2018, the lowest since October 1953. Youth unemployment recently reached its lowest level in more
    than 50 years. July 2018 youth unemployment rate of 9.2 percent was the lowest since July 1966. Veterans unemployment recently hit its lowest level in nearly two decades. July 2018 veterans unemployment rate of 3.0 percent matched the lowest rate since May 2001. Unemployment rate for Americans without a high school diploma recently reached a record low. Rate for disabled Americans recently hit a record low. Blue-collar jobs recently grew at the fastest rate in more than three decades. Poll found that 85 percent of blue-collar workers believe their lives are headed in the right direction. 68 percent reported receiving a pay increase in the past year. Last year, job satisfaction among American workers hit its highest level since 2005. Nearly two-thirds of Americans rate now as a good time to find a quality job. Optimism about the availability of good jobs has grown by 25 percent. Added more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since the election. Manufacturing employment is growing at its fastest pace in more than two decades. 100,000 new jobs supporting the production & transport of oil & natural gas.


    American Income
    Median household income rose to $61,372 in 2017, a post-recession high.
    Wages up in August by their fastest rate since June 2009.
    Paychecks rose by 3.3 percent between 2016 and 2017, the most in a decade. Council of Economic Advisers found that real wage compensation has grown by
    1.4 percent over the past year. Some 3.9 million Americans off food stamps since the election. Median income for Hispanic-Americans rose by 3.7 percent and surpassed $50,000 for the first time ever in history. Home-ownership among Hispanics is at the highest rate in nearly a decade. Poverty rates for African-Americans and Hispanic-Americans have reached their lowest levels ever recorded.


    American Optimism
    Small business optimism has hit historic highs.
    NFIBs small business optimism index broke a 35 year-old record in August. SurveyMonkey/CNBC small business confidence survey for Q3 of 2018 matched its all-time high. Manufacturers are more confident than ever. 95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future, the highest ever. Consumer confidence is at an 18-year high. 12 percent of Americans rate the economy as the most significant problem facing our country, the lowest level on record. Confidence in the economy is near a two-decade high, with 51 percent rating
    the economy as good or excellent.

    American Business
    Investment is flooding back into the United States due to the tax cuts.
    Over $450 billion dollars has already poured back into the U.S., including
    more than $300 billion in the first quarter of 2018. Retail sales have surged. Commerce Department figures from August show that retail sales
    increased 0.5 percent in July 2018, an increase of 6.4 percent from July
    2017. ISMs index of manufacturing scored its highest reading in 14 years. Worker productivity is the highest it has been in more than three years. Steel and aluminum producers are re-opening. Dow Jones Industrial Average, S&P 500, and NASDAQ have all notched record highs. Dow hit record highs 70 times in
    2017 alone, the most ever recorded in one year.


    Deregulation
    Achieved massive deregulation at a rapid pace, completing 22 deregulatory actions to every one regulatory action during his first year in office.
    Signed legislation to roll back costly and harmful provisions of Dodd-Frank, providing relief to credit unions, and community and regional banks.
    Federal agencies achieved more than $8 billion in lifetime net regulatory
    cost savings. Rolled back Obamas burdensome Waters of the U.S. rule. Used the Congressional Review Act to repeal regulations more times than in history.

    Tax Cuts
    Biggest tax cuts and reforms in American history by signing the Tax Cuts and Jobs act into law Provided more than $5.5 trillion in gross tax cuts, nearly
    60 percent of which will go to families. Increased the exemption for the death tax to help save Family Farms & Small Business. Nearly doubled the standard deduction for individuals and families. Enabled vast majority of American families will be able to file their taxes on a single page by claiming the standard deduction. Doubled the child tax credit to help lessen the financial burden of raising a family. Lowered Americas corporate tax rate from the highest in the developed world to allow American businesses to compete and
    win. Small businesses can now deduct 20 percent of their business income. Cut dozens of special interest tax breaks and closed loopholes for the wealthy. 9 in 10 American workers are expected see an increase in their paychecks thanks to the tax cuts, according to the Treasury Department. More than 6 million of American workers have received wage increases, bonuses, and increased benefits thanks to tax cuts. Over 100 utility companies have lowered electric, gas, or water rates thanks to the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. Ernst & Young found 89
    percent of companies planned to increase worker compensation thanks to the Trump tax cuts. Established opportunity zones to spur investment in left
    behind communities. Worker Development Established a National Council for the American Worker to develop a national strategy for training and retraining Americas workers for high-demand industries. Employers have signed Trumps Pledge to Americas Workers, committing to train or retrain more than 4.2 million workers and students. Signed the first Perkins CTE reauthorization since 2006, authorizing more than $1 billion for states each year to fund vocational and career education programs. Executive order expanding apprenticeship opportunities for students and workers.

    Domestic Infrastructure
    Proposed infrastructure plan would utilize $200 billion in Federal funds to spur at least $1.5 trillion in infrastructure investment across the country. Executive order expediting environmental reviews and approvals for high priority infrastructure projects. Federal agencies have signed the One Federal Decision Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) streamlining the federal permitting process for infrastructure projects. Rural prosperity task force and signed an executive order to help expand broadband access in rural areas.

    Health Care
    Signed an executive order to help minimize the financial burden felt by American households Signed legislation to improve the National Suicide
    Hotline. Signed the most comprehensive childhood cancer legislation ever into law, which will advance childhood cancer research and improve treatments. Signed Right-to-Try legislation, expanding health care options forterminally ill patients. Enacted changes to the Medicare 340B program, saving seniors an estimated $320 million on drugs in 2018 alone. FDA set a new record for generic drug approvals in 2017, saving consumers nearly $9 billion. Released a blueprint to drive down drug prices for American patients, leading multiple major drug companies to announce they will freeze or reverse price increases. Expanded short-term, limited-duration health plans. Let more employers to form Association Health Plans, enabling more small businesses to join together and affordably provide health insurance to their employees. Cut Obamacares burdensome individual mandate penalty. Signed legislation repealing Obamacares Independent Payment Advisory Board, also known as the death panels. USDA invested more than $1 billion in rural health care in 2017, improving access
    to health care for 2.5 million people in rural communities across 41 states Proposed Title X rule to help ensure taxpayers do not fund the abortion industry in violation of the law. Reinstated and expanded the Mexico City Policy to keep foreign aid from supporting the global abortion industry. HHS formed a new division over protecting the rights of conscience and religious freedom. Overturned Obama administrations midnight regulation prohibiting states from defunding certain abortion facilities. Signed executive order to help ensure that religious organizations are not forced to choose between violating their religious beliefs by complying with Obamacares contraceptive mandate or shutting their doors.


    Combating Opioids
    Chaired meeting the 73rd General Session of the United Nations discussing the worldwide drug problem with international leaders. Initiative to Stop Opioid Abuse and Reduce Drug Supply and Demand, introducing new measures to keep dangerous drugs out of our communities. $6 billion in new funding to fight the opioid epidemic. DEA conducted a surge in April 2018 that arrested 28 medical professions and revoked 147 registrations for prescribing too many opioids. Brought the Prescribed to Death memorial to Presidents Park near the White House, helping raise awareness about the human toll of the opioid crisis. Helped reduce high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent in 2017 Opioid Summit on the administration-wide efforts to combat the opioid crisis. Launched a national public awareness campaign about the dangers of opioid addiction. Created a Commission on Combating Drug Addiction and the Opioid Crisis which recommended a number of pathways to tackle the opioid crisis. Led two National Prescription Drug Take Back Days in 2017 and 2018, collecting a record number of expired and unneeded prescription drugs each time. $485 million targeted grants in FY 2017 to help areas hit hardest by the opioid crisis. Signed INTERDICT Act, strengthening efforts to detect and intercept synthetic
    opioids before they reach our communities. DOJ secured its first-ever indictments against Chinese fentanyl manufacturers. Joint Criminal Opioid Darknet Enforcement (J-CODE) team, aimed at disrupting online illicit opioid sales. Declared the opioid crisis a Nationwide Public Health Emergency in October 2017.


    Law and Order
    More U.S. Circuit Court judges confirmed in the first year in office than
    ever. Confirmed more than two dozen U. S. Circuit Court judges. Followed through on the promise to nominate judges to the Supreme Court who will adhere to the Constitution Nominated and confirmed Justice Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court. Signed an executive order directing the Attorney General to develop a strategy to more effectively prosecute people
    who commit crimes against law enforcement officers. Launched an evaluation of grant programs to make sure they prioritize the protection and safety of law enforcement officers. Established a task force to reduce crime and restore public safety in communities across Signed an executive order to focus more federal resources on dismantling transnational criminal organizations such as drug cartels. Signed an executive order to focus more federal resources on dismantling transnational criminal organizations such as drug cartels. Violent crime decreased in 2017 according to FBI statistics. $137 million in grants through the COPS Hiring Program to preserve jobs, increase community policing capacities, and support crime prevention efforts. Enhanced and updated the Project Safe Neighborhoods to help reduce violent crime. Signed legislation making it easier to target websites that enable sex trafficking and strengthened penalties for people who promote or facilitate prostitution. Created an interagency task force working around the clock to prosecute traffickers, protect victims, and prevent human trafficking. Conducted Operation Cross Country XI to combat human trafficking, rescuing 84 children and arresting 120 human traffickers. Encouraged federal prosecutors to use the death penalty when possible in the fight against the trafficking of deadly drugs. New rule effectively banning bump stock sales in the United States.

    Border Security and Immigration
    Secured $1.6 billion for border wall construction in the March 2018 omnibus bill. Construction of a 14-mile section of border wall began near San Diego. Worked to protect American communities from the threat posed by the vile
    MS-13 gang. ICEs Homeland Security Investigations division arrested 796 MS-13 members and associates in FY 2017, an 83 percent increase from the prior year. Justice worked with partners in Central America to secure criminal charges against more than 4,000 MS-13 members. Border Patrol agents arrested 228 illegal aliens affiliated with MS-13 in 2017. Fighting to stop the scourge of illegal drugs at our border. ICE HSI seized more than 980,000 pounds of narcotics in FY 2017, including 2,370 pounds of fentanyl and 6,967 pounds of heroin. ICE HSI dedicated nearly 630,000 investigative hours towards halting the illegal import of fentanyl. ICE HSI made 11,691 narcotics-related arrests in FY 2017. Stop Opioid Abuse and Reduce Drug Supply and Demand introduced new measures to keep dangerous drugs out the United States. Signed the INTERDICT Act into law, enhancing efforts to detect and intercept synthetic opioids. DOJ secured its first-ever indictments against Chinese fentanyl manufacturers. DOJ launched their Joint Criminal Opioid Darknet Enforcement (J-CODE) team, aimed at disrupting online illicit opioid sales. Released an immigration framework that includes the resources required to secure our borders and close legal loopholes, and repeatedly called on Congress to fix our broken immigration laws. Authorized the deployment of the National Guard to help secure the border. Enhanced vetting of individuals entering the U.S. from countries that dont meet security standards, helping to ensure individuals who pose a threat to our country are identified before they enter. These procedures were upheld in a June 2018 Supreme Court hearing. ICE removed over 226,000 illegal aliens from the United States in 2017. ICE rescued or identified over 500 human trafficking victims and over 900 child exploitation victims in 2017 alone.
    In 2017, ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) arrested more than 127,000 aliens with criminal convictions or charges, responsible for
    Over 76,000 with dangerous drug offenses.
    More than 48,000 with assault offenses.
    More than 11,000 with weapons offenses.
    More than 5,000 with sexual assault offenses.
    More than 2,000 with kidnapping offenses.
    Over 1,800 with homicide offenses.
    Created the Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement (VOICE) Office in order
    to support the victims and families affected by illegal alien crime. More than doubled the number of counties participating in the 287(g) program, which allows jails to detain criminal aliens until they are transferred to ICE custody.

    Trade
    Negotiating and renegotiating better trade deals, achieving free, fair, and reciprocal trade for the United States. Agreed to work with the European Union towards zero tariffs, zero non-tariff barriers, and zero subsides.
    Deal with the European Union to increase U.S. energy exports to Europe. Litigated multiple WTO disputes targeting unfair trade practices and
    upholding our right to enact fair trade laws. Finalized a revised trade agreement with South Korea, which includes provisions to increase American automobile exports. Negotiated an historic U.S.-Mexico-Canada Trade Agreement to replace NAFTA. Agreement to begin trade negotiations for a U.S.-Japan trade agreement. Secured $250 billion in new trade and investment deals in China and $12 billion in Vietnam. Established a Trade and Investment Working Group with the United Kingdom, laying the groundwork for post-Brexit trade.
    Enacted steel and aluminum tariffs to protect our vital steel and aluminum producers and strengthen our national security. Conducted 82 anti-dumping and countervailing duty investigations in 2017 alone. Confronting Chinas unfair trade practices after years of Washington looking the other way. 25 percent tariff on $50 billion of goods imported from China and later imposed an additional 10% tariff on $200 billion of Chinese goods. Conducted an investigation into Chinese forced technology transfers, unfair licensing practices, and intellectual property theft. Imposed safeguard tariffs to protect domestic washing machines and solar products manufacturers hurt by Chinas trade policies Withdrew from the job-killing Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP). Secured access to new markets for Americas farmers. Recent deal with Mexico included new improvements enabling food and agriculture to trade more fairly. Recent agreement with the E.U. will reduce barriers and increase trade of American soybeans to Europe. Won a WTO dispute regarding Indonesias unfair restriction of U.S. agricultural exports. Defended American Tuna fisherman and packagers before the WTO Opened up Argentina to American pork experts for the first time in a quarter- century American beef exports have returned to china for the first time in more than a decade OKd up to $12 billion in aid for farmers affected by unfair trade retaliation.

    Energy
    Presidential Memorandum to clear roadblocks to construction of the Keystone
    XL Pipeline. Presidential Memorandum declaring that the Dakota Access
    Pipeline serves the national interest and initiating the process to complete construction. Opened up the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge to energy exploration. Coal exports up over 60 percent in 2017. Rolled back the stream protection rule to prevent it from harming Americas coal industry. Cancelled Obamas anti-coal Clean Power Plan and proposed the Affordable Clean Energy
    Rule as a replacement. Withdrew from the job-killing Paris climate agreement, which would have cost the U.S. nearly $3 trillion and led to 6.5 million fewer industrial sector jobs by 2040. U.S. oil production has achieved its highest level in American history United States is now the largest crude oil producer in the world. U.S. has become a net natural gas exporter for the first time in six decades. Action to expedite the identification and extraction of critical minerals that are vital to the nations security and economic prosperity. Took action to reform National Ambient Air Quality Standards, benefitting American manufacturers. Rescinded Obamas hydraulic fracturing rule, which was expected to cost the industry $32 million per year. Proposed an expansion of offshore drilling as part of an all-of-the above energy strategy Held a lease sale for offshore oil and gas leases in the Gulf of Mexico in August 2018. Got EU to increase its imports of liquefied natural gas (LNG) from the United States. Issued permits for the New Burgos Pipeline that will cross the U.S.-Mexico border.

    Foreign Policy
    Moved the U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. Withdrew from Iran deal and immediately began the process of re-imposing sanctions that had been lifted
    or waived. Treasury has issued sanctions targeting Iranian activities and entities, including the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps-Qods Force Since enacting sanctions, Irans crude exports have fallen off, the value of Irans currency has plummeted, and international companies have pulled out of the country. All nuclear-related sanctions will be back in full force by early November 2018. Historic summit with North Korean President Kim Jong-Un, bringing beginnings of peace and denuclearization to the Korean Peninsula.
    The two leaders have exchanged letters and high-level officials from both
    sides have met resulting in tremendous progress. North Korea has halted
    nuclear and missile tests. Negotiated the return of the remains of missing-in-action soldiers from the Korean War. Imposed strong sanctions on Venezuelan dictator Nicholas Maduro and his inner circle. Executive order preventing those in the U.S. from carrying out certain transactions with the Venezuelan regime, including prohibiting the purchase of the regimes debt. Responded to the use of chemical weapons by the Syrian regime. Rolled out sanctions targeting individuals and entities tied to Syrias chemical weapons program. Directed strikes in April 2017 against a Syrian airfield used in a chemical weapons attack on innocent civilians. Joined allies in launching airstrikes in April 2018 against targets associated with Syrias chemical weapons use. New Cuba policy that enhanced compliance with U.S. law and held the Cuban regime accountable for political oppression and human rights abuses. Treasury and State are working to channel economic activity away from the
    Cuban regime, particularly the military. Changed the rules of engagement, empowering commanders to take the fight to ISIS.
    ISIS has lost virtually all of its territory, more than half of which has
    been lost under Trump. ISIS self-proclaimed capital city, Raqqah, was
    liberated in October 2017. All Iraqi territory had been liberated from ISIS. More than a dozen American hostages have been freed from captivity all of the world. Action to combat Russias malign activities, including their efforts to undermine the sanctity of United States elections. Expelled dozens of Russian intelligence officers from the United States and ordered the closure of the Russian consulate in Seattle, WA. Banned the use of Kaspersky Labs software on government computers, due to the companies ties to Russian intelligence. Imposed sanctions against five Russian entities and three individuals for enabling Russia military and intelligence units to increase Russias offensive cyber capabilities. Sanctions against seven Russian oligarchs, and 12 companies they own or control, who profit from Russias destabilizing activities. Sanctioned 100 targets in response to Russias occupation of Crimea and aggression in Eastern Ukraine. Enhanced support for Ukraines Armed Forces to help Ukraine better defend itself. Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles. Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canadas united bid for 2026 World Cup.

    Defense
    Executive order keeping the detention facilities at U.S. Naval Station Guantanamo Bay open. $700 billion in military funding for FY 2018 and $716 billion for FY 2019. Largest military pay raise in nearly a decade.
    Ordered a Nuclear Posture Review to ensure Americas nuclear forces are up to date and serve as a credible deterrent. Released Americas first fully articulated cyber strategy in 15 years. New strategy on national biodefense, which better prepares the nation to defend against biological threats. Administration has announced that it will use whatever means necessary to protect American citizens and servicemen from unjust prosecution by the International Criminal Court. Released an America first National Security Strategy. Put in motion the launch of a Space Force as a new branch of the military and relaunched the National Space Council. Encouraged North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) allies to increase defense spending to their agree-upon levels. In 2017 alone, there was an increase of more than 4.8 percent in defense spending amongst NATO allies. Every member state has increased defense spending. Eight NATO allies will reach the 2 percent benchmark by the end of 2018 and 15 allies are on trade to do so by 2024.
    NATO allies spent over $42 billion dollars more on defense since 2016. Executive order to help military spouses find employment as their families deploy domestically and abroad.


    Veterans affairs
    Signed the VA Accountability Act and expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
    Delivered more appeals decisions 81,000 to veterans in a single year than ever before. Strengthened protections for individuals who come forward and identify programs occurring within the VA. Signed legislation that provided $86.5 billion in funding for the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), the largest dollar amount in history for the VA. VA MISSION Act, enacting sweeping reform to the VA system that: Consolidated and strengthened VA community care programs. Funding for the Veterans Choice program. Expanded eligibility for
    the Family Caregivers Program. Gave veterans more access to walk-in care. Strengthened the VAs ability to recruit and retain quality healthcare professionals. Enabled the VA to modernize its assets and infrastructure. Signed the VA Choice and Quality Employment Act in 2017, which authorized
    $2.1 billion in addition funds for the Veterans Choice Program. Worked to
    shift veterans electronic medical records to the same system used by the Department of Defense, a decades old priority. Issued an executive order requiring the Secretaries of Defense, Homeland Security, and Veterans Affairs to submit a joint plan to provide veterans access to access to mental health treatment as they transition to civilian life. Increased transparency and accountability at the VA by launching an online Access and Quality Tool, providing veterans with access to wait time and quality of care data. Signed legislation to modernize the claims and appeal process at the VA. Harry W. Colmery Veterans Educational Assistance Act, providing enhanced educational benefits to veterans, service members, and their family members. Lifted a 15-year limit on veterans access to their educational benefits. Created a
    White House VA Hotline to help veterans and principally staffed it with veterans and direct family members of veterans. VA employees are being held accountable for poor performance, with more than 4,000 VA employees removed, demoted, and suspended so far. Signed the Veterans Treatment Court Improvement Act, increasing the number of VA employees that can assist justice-involved veterans.


    Now who's head is burred the sand.

    Are you sure that you do not live in Australia, with your head buried in the sand like an ostrich?

    Are you related to some way to Adam Schiff?

    https://docsplace.org/14249/09/adam-schiff-parody-lied-to-congress/

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sun Oct 6 13:30:30 2019
    On 06 Oct 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 10-04-19 18:41, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Impeachment Inquiry <=-

    This impeachment is unraveling & rotting faster then a high speed tim lapse video of a banana left out on the counter for several days.

    I agree -- it is looking worse and worse for Trump each day. It also is begining to look like he might not be the only one implicated.

    How predictable of you, ust like a democratic clowns you twist the intention of what I said...

    Trump is not calling Impeachment hearings on himself, it was quite obvious
    when I said the impeachment efforts are unraveling and rotting. Meaning it is loosing it's luster it is becoming more and more of a eye roll event then it
    is interesting or valid.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Sun Oct 6 23:27:14 2019
    Hello Dale,

    This impeachment is unraveling & rotting faster then a high speed time >GD>lapse video of a banana left out on the counter for several days.

    I agree -- it is looking worse and worse for Trump each day. It also is >begining to look like he might not be the only one implicated.

    Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! Does that mean the House gets to impeach
    both Trump and Pence at the same time, making Speaker Pelosi
    POTUS?

    Just think of what that would mean -

    She would take the helm declaring in sensation, "Pardon me, boy.
    Is that the Chattanooga choo choo? On track 29? Send `em to the
    station ..."

    --Lee

    --
    Nobody Beats Our Meat

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Oct 7 02:07:00 2019
    On 10-05-19 08:55, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Mark Lewis about Re: Impeachment Inquiry <=-

    Episode 1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3Rut64GDgA

    Do you have a point you want to make with respect to that video? Schiff listened, and asked for the FBI to follow up. What else would you
    expect he might have done? If you listen to the voice, you might
    realize that Chairman Schiff was being fairly hesitant and non
    committal. You did listen to it didn't you?

    try to prove his shady
    makes statements that are


    anda iling even with liberal buddies in the media slanting was making
    was thatMy point has been made. For it was to show that efforts
    of the left to show
    the efforts on the left

    And your words here do not make any sense at all. There is not a
    coherent sentence to be found.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Oct 7 04:16:08 2019
    On 10-06-19 13:15, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Impeachment Inquiry <=-

    What lies of the democrats? You are twisted. It is Trump who keeps telling lies. And then he goes on live television and commits another felony by asking China to help with his campaign.

    Why in your mind is it considered problematic or as you have suggested
    a (felony) to investigate Hunter Biden to discover the crimes that may
    be connected to the previous Vice President Biden who now is
    running for President
    of the United States of America? Hunter Biden traveled
    there aboard Air Force 2
    many times with his father Joe Biden.

    He can ask the FBI to investigate that as much as he wants, but when he
    asks a foreign government to dig up dirt on a political opponent -- it
    is a violation of federal campaign law, which is a felony.

    Was Trump lying when...
    he promised and delivered on the following...

    That laundry list may or may not be the result of Trump -- but it is not
    the issue being discussed. What is being discussed is his violation of
    federal laws.

    And, for the record -- I do not agree that all of the things you listed
    are good for the country, nor do I accept some of the "poll" results you
    might have pulled from a web site supporting Trump.

    Deregulation
    Achieved massive deregulation at a rapid pace, completing 22
    deregulatory actions to every one regulatory action during his first
    year in office. Signed legislation to roll back costly and harmful provisions of Dodd-Frank, providing relief to credit unions, and
    community and regional banks. Federal agencies achieved more than $8 billion in lifetime net regulatory cost savings. Rolled back Obamas burdensome Waters of the U.S. rule. Used the Congressional Review Act
    to repeal regulations more times than in history.

    Deregulation of banks is what lead to the 2008 recession.

    Tax Cuts
    Biggest tax cuts and reforms in American history by signing the Tax
    Cuts and Jobs act into law Provided more than $5.5 trillion in gross
    tax cuts, nearly 60 percent of which will go to families. Increased the

    Perhaps 60% to families -- but only those making millions of dollars per
    year. That tax cut added greatly to the federal deficit and did not
    help the middle and lower class income people very much.

    exemption for the death tax to help save Family Farms & Small Business.

    Death tax, i.e estate tax, only applies to estates worth millions of
    dollars. Increasing the exemption did nothing for the average American,
    only for the very wealthy.

    family. Lowered Americas corporate tax rate from the highest in the developed world to allow American businesses to compete and win. Small

    Perhaps -- but the biggest corporations can still get away with paying
    very little or even nothing. Tell me why that is a good thing?

    businesses can now deduct 20 percent of their business income. Cut

    That was true for me a decade ago when I was an independent consultant.

    Cuts and Jobs Act. Ernst & Young found 89 percent of companies planned
    to increase worker compensation thanks to the Trump tax cuts.

    Did that happen?

    Domestic Infrastructure
    Proposed infrastructure plan would utilize $200 billion in Federal
    funds to spur at least $1.5 trillion in infrastructure investment

    The key word there is "proposed". How much has actually been
    appropriated?

    across the country. Executive order expediting environmental reviews
    and approvals for high priority infrastructure projects. Federal

    Short cutting of environmental review is not a good thing.

    Health Care
    <<SNIP>>
    insurance to their employees. Cut Obamacares burdensome individual
    mandate penalty. Signed legislation repealing Obamacares Independent Payment Advisory Board, also known as the death panels. USDA invested

    Trump has done anything he can to eliminate any thing that might be
    associated with Obama -- no matter how much it hurts the people. He
    tried to get passed legislation to eliminate much of the ACA. That
    would have tossed millions of Americans off of their health coverage and eliminated the ability to obtain coverage in spite of pre existing
    conditions.


    Law and Order
    More U.S. Circuit Court judges confirmed in the first year in office
    than ever. Confirmed more than two dozen U. S. Circuit Court judges. Followed through on the promise to nominate judges to the Supreme Court who will adhere to the Constitution Nominated and confirmed Justice
    Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court. Signed an

    The only reason he got to nominate Neil Gorsuch was because McConnell
    refused to allow a qualified Obama nominee to be considered.

    He then stacked the Subpreme Court with a sycnopath while ignoring
    credible allegations against Kavanaugh without trying to investigate the
    facts. More has come out since then. This is simply an indication of
    the lack of vetting that the Trump administration has done in nominating
    people for high positions in government.

    Border Security and Immigration
    Secured $1.6 billion for border wall construction in the March 2018 omnibus bill. Construction of a 14-mile section of border wall began

    No new border wall construction has been started, despite his claims
    that it would all be done and that Mexico would pay for it.

    affiliated with MS-13 in 2017. Fighting to stop the scourge of illegal drugs at our border. ICE HSI seized more than 980,000 pounds of
    narcotics in FY 2017, including 2,370 pounds of fentanyl and 6,967
    pounds of heroin. ICE HSI dedicated nearly 630,000 investigative hours

    Where were those drug seizures made? I would bet that it was not done
    against anyone crossing the border at Rio Grande or other inbetween
    places. I.e. building a wall would have been irrelevant to those
    seizures.

    Trade
    Confronting Chinas unfair trade practices after years of Washington looking the other way. 25 percent tariff on $50 billion of goods
    imported from China and later imposed an additional 10% tariff on $200 billion of Chinese goods. Conducted an investigation into Chinese

    Who do you think pays for those tariffs? It is the American public.

    Partnership (TPP). Secured access to new markets for Americas farmers.

    You mean after they were devestated as a result of the Chinese tariffs?

    to china for the first time in more than a decade OKd up to $12
    billion in aid for farmers affected by unfair trade retaliation.

    Tell us again why he had to do that?

    Foreign Policy
    Moved the U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. Withdrew from Iran deal
    and immediately began the process of re-imposing sanctions that had

    I.e. allowed Iran to reopen its development of nuclear weapons.

    sides have met resulting in tremendous progress. North Korea has
    halted nuclear and missile tests. Negotiated the return of the remains

    They are still testing missiles.

    entities tied to Syrias chemical weapons program. Directed strikes in April 2017 against a Syrian airfield used in a chemical weapons attack

    Strange that all of the Russian planes that had been there left before
    the attack (which did minimal damage to the airfield).

    Sanctioned 100 targets in response to Russias occupation of Crimea and aggression in Eastern Ukraine. Enhanced support for Ukraines Armed
    Forces to help Ukraine better defend itself.

    That occupation happened before Trump took office and it was the Obama administration and other nations that imposed the sanctions, something
    that Trump tried unsucessfully to undo. Plus, he withheld funds for
    military support until Ukraine gave him a statement that they would
    investigate Hunter Biden.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Mon Oct 7 07:43:04 2019
    On 07 Oct 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 10-05-19 08:55, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Mark Lewis about Re: Impeachment Inquiry <=-

    Episode 1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3Rut64GDgA

    Do you have a point you want to make with respect to that video? Schiff listened, and asked for the FBI to follow up. What else would you
    expect he might have done? If you listen to the voice, you might
    realize that Chairman Schiff was being fairly hesitant and non
    committal. You did listen to it didn't you?

    Yes. I did listen unfortunately to the entire Schiff parody.
    Then I also listened to the video which the url represents..
    The purpose and scope of video and the commentary that ran before and after
    the snip-it or sample of Adam Schiff clearly indicates that he was making it
    up at least to some extent, because there was never any quid pro quo at any point ever.

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  • From Merlock@1:261/1036 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Oct 7 18:37:00 2019
    expect he might have done? If you listen to the voice, you might realize that Chairman Schiff was being fairly hesitant and non committal. You did listen to it didn't you?

    Yes. I did listen unfortunately to the entire Schiff parody.
    Then I also listened to the video which the url represents..
    The purpose and scope of video and the commentary that ran before and after the snip-it or sample of Adam Schiff clearly indicates that he was making it up at least to some extent, because there was never any quid pro quo at any point ever.

    It makes me laugh that folks read into things they want to hear and then use that as evidence that
    they are correct and they say Trump makes it up.
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Tue Oct 8 00:12:14 2019
    On 07 Oct 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    And, for the record -- I do not agree that all of the things you listed are good for the country, nor do I accept some of the "poll" results you might have pulled from a web site supporting Trump.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com

    That is the heart of the matter here, where I see the absolute good in everything that is a long list accomplishments and promises made and kept. Where you see have disagreement, and things that you have described as not good for the country is proof that liberalism is a mental disease.

    Perhaps 60% to families -- but only those making millions of dollars per year. That tax cut added greatly to the federal deficit and did not
    help the middle and lower class income people very much.

    Your making the wrong conclusion because you're trying not to look foolish,
    or you don't realize that you are not making sense. I know it is a desire for you to hold on to what you believe as the truth, but the real truth is
    everyone started to make more the moment the tax laws were changed, it's mathematical. Case & point I was bringing home $625.00 a week before the tax cuts went into effect, after the tax cuts I was bringing home $640.00 a week for the same hours worked. So it was not exclusive to a certain group of
    elite people. I know it is / was hard for you "Never Trumpers" to admit that they brought home more money with this tax cut, but like I said it is a mathematical fact.

    Trump has done anything he can to eliminate any thing that might be associated with Obama -- no matter how much it hurts the people. He
    tried to get passed legislation to eliminate much of the ACA. That
    would have tossed millions of Americans off of their health coverage and eliminated the ability to obtain coverage in spite of pre existing conditions.

    Trump did eliminate the penalty which was a fine for not having health insurance. Stopping the government from sucking up or reducing the amount of money that is due to the tax payer in the form of a tax refund. Many people were very upset about not having that planned tax refund.
    I am sure that the ACA does do some good and that there are life stories I do not not doubt that, but it is not affordable for most, I am very familiar
    with the various levels of plans bronze, silver, gold, platinum and catastrophic plans and how they work deductible based with somw - co-pay vs co-insurance for more expensive plans. All is dependent on what plan is chosen, but I also know they $600.00 to $900.00 a month is really not affordable for most families. There was a lot wrong with the way it was
    rolled out and a lot wrong with what was said by Obama himself. Remember
    "Like your doctor, like your plan, you can keep your doctor.. that never did work out as advertised.

    The only reason he got to nominate Neil Gorsuch was because McConnell

    The President gets to make this decision, who they want to appoint. They
    still have to go through the confirmation process.

    No new border wall construction has been started, despite his claims
    that it would all be done and that Mexico would pay for it.

    In a since they are paying for it, as they are in debt to the United States
    for a lot of money, when I say a lot I mean tens of millions of dollars.

    Where were those drug seizures made? I would bet that it was not done against anyone crossing the border at Rio Grande or other inbetween
    places. I.e. building a wall would have been irrelevant to those
    seizures.

    What is your basis for making such a statement. I know where you are going w/ this; the wall did not have any effect here because your calling it irrelevant which means that you don't believe that the wall aided w/ the drug
    seizures.
    The wall stops people from freely crossing and it forces them to choose another point of entry.
    (try this real life experiment) next time you put oil in your car/truck don't use a funnel and then tell me again how walls don't work.


    Trade
    Confronting Chinas unfair trade practices after years of Washington looking the other way. 25 percent tariff on $50 billion of goods imported from China and later imposed an additional 10% tariff on $200 billion of Chinese goods. Conducted an investigation into Chinese

    Who do you think pays for those tariffs? It is the American public.

    It might cost more if you continue to buy these cheap Chinese cheesy merchandise, so buy American and support your countrymen in the process.

    (TPP). Secured access to new markets for Americas farmer
    You mean after they were devestated as a result of the Chinese tariffs?
    to china for the first time in more than a decade OKd up to $12
    billion in aid for farmers affected by unfair trade retaliation.

    It was the Chinese who backed out of the deal w/respective to the deal product from the American Farmer. I do not know why the Chinese are complaining?
    or why they feel or why it is so hard to understand? That the trade is unfair, Chinese made products flow into the U.S. at 4% tariff and American made products producers are sucker punched with a 25% tariff in China. How is that fare? W/ respect to the American farm product South America is now getting Farm product from the North American (U.S. Farmer) that also is new.

    Plus, he withheld funds for
    military support until Ukraine gave him a statement that they would investigate Hunter Biden.

    No, Trump never did hold anything back as there never was any quid pro quo!
    I know that is what the left wing media is trying to sell, but that only works with the weak minded.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Oct 9 02:00:00 2019
    On 10-08-19 00:08, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Impeachment Inquiry <=-

    kept. Where you see have disagreement, and things that you have
    described as not good
    for the country is proof that liberalism is a mental disease.

    What is it that is said about debates? If you have no facts to respond,
    attack your adversary, even resorting to made up comments if necessary.

    The only reason he got to nominate Neil Gorsuch was because McConnell

    The President gets to make this decision, who they want to appoint.
    They still have to go through the confirmation process.

    So, you are arguing that the President gets to fill a Supreme court
    vacancy. I agree. But McConnell did not and blocked Obama's nominee
    from being considered. I do not find that at all fair.

    No new border wall construction has been started, despite his claims
    that it would all be done and that Mexico would pay for it.

    In a since they are paying for it, as they are in debt to the United States for a lot of money, when I say a lot I mean tens of millions of dollars.

    Ten Million might cover the interest for one week on the 26 billion that
    Trump wanted to build his shiny new wall. He didn't get any of that,
    and so he had to steal it from military appropiations.

    Where were those drug seizures made? I would bet that it was not done against anyone crossing the border at Rio Grande or other inbetween places. I.e. building a wall would have been irrelevant to those seizures.

    What is your basis for making such a statement. I know where you are

    It has been covered quite well. The drugs coming into the USA from
    Mexico are mostly coming in via various transportation means at ports of
    entry, i.e. semi-trailers, cars, airplanes. A smaller portion is coming
    into other areas via tunnels, boats and even a submarine or two. No significant amount is coming in across the unsecured borders such as the
    Rio Grande.

    going w/ this; the wall did not have any effect here because your
    calling it irrelevant which means that you don't believe that the wall aided w/ the drug seizures.

    By George, I think you got it. The wall would not help prevent drugs
    from coming into the USA.

    The wall stops people from freely crossing and it forces
    them to choose another
    point of entry.

    It would stop the people who are seeking asylum. It will not stop the
    drug dealers.


    (try this real life experiment) next time you put oil in your
    car/truck don't use a funnel and then tell me again how walls don't
    work.

    Who do you think pays for those tariffs? It is the American public.

    It might cost more if you continue to buy these cheap Chinese cheesy merchandise, so buy American and support your countrymen in the
    process.

    Who has makes the televisions that people buy? The computers and the components that go into them? The solar panels that will help make USA
    energy independent?


    Plus, he withheld funds for
    military support until Ukraine gave him a statement that they would investigate Hunter Biden.

    No, Trump never did hold anything back as there never was any quid pro quo! I know that is what the left wing media is trying to sell, but
    that only works with the weak minded.

    That is exactly what he said, and what was said by other members of the administration. The words are right there for all to see in the portion
    of the telephone conversation he had released.

    Even if you do not belive that, the telephone transcript and his public statement to China are evidence for the same felony that his personal
    lawyer is now serving jail time and for which Trump was stated as having directed that activity for which his lawyer plead guilty.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Wed Oct 9 07:35:28 2019
    On 09 Oct 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 10-08-19 00:08, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Impeachment Inquiry <=-

    kept. Where you see have disagreement, and things that you have described as not good
    for the country is proof that liberalism is a mental disease.

    What is it that is said about debates? If you have no facts to respond, attack your adversary, even resorting to made up comments if necessary.

    You want to know the angle where this comes from, I think you may already
    know. but I will tell you anyway, The hate on the left and within the Democratic party / media drives this hate, my comments have been and will continue to be the countermeasure to that hated.

    The only reason he got to nominate Neil Gorsuch was because McConnell
    The President gets to make this decision, who they want to appoint.
    They still have to go through the confirmation process.

    So, you are arguing that the President gets to fill a Supreme court vacancy. I agree. But McConnell did not and blocked Obama's nominee
    from being considered. I do not find that at all fair.

    Life is not fair, but for an explanation to what happened for Obama's
    nominee, you would need to look at who had the majority at that time.
    You can state it's not fair, and even have a revengeful patience; where as it said OK, just you wait Republicans until you want to nominee then we will resort to childish behavior and invoke to tit.

    No new border wall construction has been started, despite his claims that it would all be done and that Mexico would pay for it.

    In a since they are paying for it, as they are in debt to the United States for a lot of money, when I say a lot I mean tens of millions o dollars.

    Ten Million might cover the interest for one week on the 26 billion that Trump wanted to build his shiny new wall. He didn't get any of that,
    and so he had to steal it from military appropiations.

    POTUS is commander and chief, therefore he was not stealing from anyone, at least he does not print money to support his initiatives, like Obama did.


    Where were those drug seizures made? I would bet that it was not don against anyone crossing the border at Rio Grande or other inbetween places. I.e. building a wall would have been irrelevant to those seizures.

    What is your basis for making such a statement. I know where you are

    It has been covered quite well. The drugs coming into the USA from
    Mexico are mostly coming in via various transportation means at ports of entry, i.e. semi-trailers, cars, airplanes. A smaller portion is coming into other areas via tunnels, boats and even a submarine or two. No significant amount is coming in across the unsecured borders such as the Rio Grande.

    Do you see what your doing here and what your suggesting, you are blaming someone one else, the coast guard the immigration officials who work at the border along the border and those who work at points of entry.

    DS> GD> going w/ this; the wall did not have any effect here because your
    calling it irrelevant which means that you don't believe that the wall aided w/ the drug seizures.
    By George, I think you got it.

    Is the pope safer behind his wall?
    Is Nancy Pelosi saver behind hers, not to mention the assassins who protect
    her with guns.

    Walls work.


    The wall would not help prevent drugs
    from coming into the USA.

    The wall stops people from freely crossing and it forces
    them to choose another
    point of entry.

    It would stop the people who are seeking asylum. It will not stop the drug dealers.


    (try this real life experiment) next time you put oil in your car/truck don't use a funnel and then tell me again how walls don't work.

    Who do you think pays for those tariffs? It is the American public.

    It might cost more if you continue to buy these cheap Chinese cheesy merchandise, so buy American and support your countrymen in the process.

    Who has makes the televisions that people buy? The computers and the components that go into them? The solar panels that will help make USA energy independent?

    You seem to think we need these nations, who do you think developed these things in the first place.

    When you stop hating on America and change your attitude that it sucks, then you might understand why I feel the way I do.

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  • From Mark Lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Oct 9 22:46:00 2019

    On 2019 Oct 09 07:31:28, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    kept. Where you see have disagreement, and things that you have
    described as not good for the country is proof that liberalism is a
    mental disease.

    What is it that is said about debates? If you have no facts to
    respond, attack your adversary, even resorting to made up comments if
    necessary.

    You want to know the angle where this comes from, I think you may
    already know. but I will tell you anyway,

    WHOOSH! it went right over your head... dale was talking about you attacking the adversary instead of the idea and that you also use made up comments if necessary...

    The hate on the left and within the Democratic party / media drives
    this hate, my comments have been and will continue to be the countermeasure to that hated.

    you think there's no hate on the right/conservative side? you're wrong if you do...

    The President gets to make this decision, who they want to appoint.
    They still have to go through the confirmation process.

    So, you are arguing that the President gets to fill a Supreme court
    vacancy. I agree. But McConnell did not and blocked Obama's nominee
    from being considered. I do not find that at all fair.

    Life is not fair, but for an explanation to what happened for Obama's nominee, you would need to look at who had the majority at that time.

    that's not how it works...

    No new border wall construction has been started, despite his
    claims that it would all be done and that Mexico would pay for it.

    In a since they are paying for it,

    they are NOT paying for it... open your damned eyes and stop being such a fool...

    as they are in debt to the United States for a lot of money, when I
    say a lot I mean tens of millions of dollars.

    you have proof of this debt that Mexico owes to the US? if they are in debt to us, how can their debt be paying for the wall? you've been lied to so much that you cannot even tell what is true any more... the wizard's first rule is definitely true...

    Ten Million might cover the interest for one week on the 26 billion
    that Trump wanted to build his shiny new wall. He didn't get any of
    that, and so he had to steal it from military appropiations.

    POTUS is commander and chief, therefore he was not stealing from anyone,
    at
    least he does not print money to support his initiatives, like Obama did.

    wow... do you even hear yourself?? the Fed is a private organization that the US hired to manage the money... the president cannot order them to do much of anything... printing $$$ weakens the US dollar... if you knew anything about economics, you would know this...

    Where were those drug seizures made? I would bet that it was not
    don't against anyone crossing the border at Rio Grande or other
    inbetween places. I.e. building a wall would have been irrelevant
    to those seizures.

    What is your basis for making such a statement. I know where you are

    It has been covered quite well. The drugs coming into the USA from
    Mexico are mostly coming in via various transportation means at ports
    of entry, i.e. semi-trailers, cars, airplanes. A smaller portion is
    coming into other areas via tunnels, boats and even a submarine or
    two. No significant amount is coming in across the unsecured borders
    such as the Rio Grande.

    Do you see what your doing here and what your suggesting, you are
    blaming someone one else, the coast guard the immigration officials
    who work at the border along the border and those who work at points
    of entry.

    he's not blaming anyone... he's stating fact... do you really expect a few dozen agents to actually be able to check all of the thousands of vehicles that cross every day? give your head a shake and think about that for a minute...

    Is the pope safer behind his wall? Is Nancy Pelosi saver behind hers,
    not to mention the assassins who protect her with guns.

    Walls work.

    not for someone determined to breach them... that's a well known fact... the walls didn't help jericho very well, did they? perhaps you need to revisit the book of joshua?

    Who has makes the televisions that people buy? The computers and the
    components that go into them? The solar panels that will help make
    USA energy independent?

    You seem to think we need these nations, who do you think developed
    these things in the first place.

    obviously you don't know if you have to ask...

    solar panels: French physicist Edmond Becquerel

    television had many pioneers... american, russian, scottish... in fact, the first mechanical television was invented by two different inventors, John Logie Baird (scottish) and Charles Francis Jenkins (american)... that was in the early 1920s... before them, Paul Gottlieb Nipkow (german), developed a device that used a rotating metal disk to send images through wires... he called it an electronic telescope and it only had 18 lines of resolution... mechanical televisions actually appeared in the early 1800s, though... they scanned an image and then transmitted it onto a screen... saying they were very crude is an understatement...

    so what was your argument again?

    When you stop hating on America and change your attitude that it
    sucks, then you might understand why I feel the way I do.

    dale and i certainly don't hate america and our attitudes are just fine... neither of us thinks that america sucks... apparently you do, though, since you seem to project your feelings and attitude on others quite a bit... that's why you don't understand what we/they are saying and you start arguing not realizing that you are arguing with yourself...

    have a day... they are numbered ;)

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Oct 10 02:23:02 2019
    On 10-09-19 07:31, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Impeachment Inquiry <=-

    Ten Million might cover the interest for one week on the 26 billion that Trump wanted to build his shiny new wall. He didn't get any of that,
    and so he had to steal it from military appropiations.

    POTUS is commander and chief, therefore he was not stealing from
    anyone, at least he does not print money to support his initiatives,
    like Obama did.

    The money was appropriated by Congress for specific projects. He took
    that money to apply to help fund his wall.

    What is your basis for making such a statement. I know where you are


    It has been covered quite well. The drugs coming into the USA from
    Mexico are mostly coming in via various transportation means at ports of entry, i.e. semi-trailers, cars, airplanes. A smaller portion is coming into other areas via tunnels, boats and even a submarine or two. No significant amount is coming in across the unsecured borders such as the Rio Grande.

    Do you see what your doing here and what your suggesting, you are
    blaming someone one else, the coast guard the immigration officials who work at the border along the border and those who work at points of
    entry.

    I blamed no one. I stated facts. You should try that sometime.


    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Mark Lewis on Thu Oct 10 22:43:40 2019
    WHOOSH! it went right over your head... dale was talking about you attacking the adversary instead of the idea and that you also use made
    up comments if necessary...

    I have nothing against any one person including Dale, but I have seen these
    so called ideas indicated not only here in fidonet but through out the Democatic party, not to mention through out the media. These peddlers (troublemakers) are planting these seeds of hate and fictitious and erroneous ideas then they should be dealt with the same push back as their big wig corporate cousins that are executives within the media industry.

    I am a Trump supporter. I stand w/ positive items of measure.
    Lowest Unemployment in 50+ years, the economy, higher wages and no just for rich, more optimism in business, stock market in a upward and even smashing
    new records never seen before within its history. What do I get in return denial, negativity, disgust, therefore I would have to conclude that
    liberalism is a mental disease. In short I don't give a dam if I am attacking the perpetrator or the instigator, I am tired of the fake news that is generated by the democratic voter that drives democratic media spin that drives the Democratic politicians to make statements which leads to a impeachment circus. President Trump has accomplished many good things and has kept many of the campaign promises.

    The hate on the left and within the Democratic party / media drives
    this hate, my comments have been and will continue to be the countermeasure to that hated.
    you think there's no hate on the right/conservative side? you're wrong
    if you do...

    Which brings up the question, who started it first?

    Where did this hate come from?

    In my my opinion it started here among other places in the media with a
    chuckle over subject matter that Donald Trump will never ever be President. Then came the phony case of the Russian dossier of which was completely fake, and then came muller investigation of which went no where.

    You seem to think we need these nations, who do you think developed these things in the first place.

    I was not asking, I was suggesting there is no need to have cheap inferior products from China.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Thu Oct 10 22:54:28 2019
    On 10 Oct 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 10-09-19 07:31, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Impeachment Inquiry <=-

    Ten Million might cover the interest for one week on the 26 billion t Trump wanted to build his shiny new wall. He didn't get any of that, and so he had to steal it from military appropiations.

    POTUS is commander and chief, therefore he was not stealing from anyone, at least he does not print money to support his initiatives, like Obama did.

    The money was appropriated by Congress for specific projects. He took that money to apply to help fund his wall.

    What is your basis for making such a statement. I know where you are


    It has been covered quite well. The drugs coming into the USA from Mexico are mostly coming in via various transportation means at ports entry, i.e. semi-trailers, cars, airplanes. A smaller portion is com into other areas via tunnels, boats and even a submarine or two. No significant amount is coming in across the unsecured borders such as Rio Grande.

    Do you see what your doing here and what your suggesting, you are blaming someone one else, the coast guard the immigration officials w work at the border along the border and those who work at points of entry.

    I blamed no one. I stated facts. You should try that sometime.

    Sure you are if your first statement is to be taken into account.
    You stated
    " DS> It has been covered quite well. The drugs coming into the USA from
    Mexico are mostly coming in via various transportation means at ports entry, i.e. semi-trailers, cars, airplanes. A smaller portion is com
    into other areas via tunnels, boats and even a submarine or two. No significant amount is coming in across the unsecured borders such as
    Rio Grande."

    Nothing taken out of context, or changed, to fit my narrative. Your own words used against you.
    If what you say is to be believed the people who are checking the semi-trailers, cars, airplanes. You make it sound like like these people are fools where as they do not know of the alleged tunnels and boats, and oh lets not forget the submarine or two, I did not make up that last part, you did
    this on your own. Submarines... Indeed..
    You're hate runs so deep as to where you fantasize about what could occur and you sound completely foolish in the process.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Oct 12 01:27:06 2019
    On 10-10-19 22:50, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Impeachment Inquiry <=-

    I blamed no one. I stated facts. You should try that sometime.

    Sure you are if your first statement is to be taken into account.
    You stated
    " DS> It has been covered quite well. The drugs coming into the USA from
    Mexico are mostly coming in via various transportation means at ports entry, i.e. semi-trailers, cars, airplanes. A smaller portion is com
    into other areas via tunnels, boats and even a submarine or two. No significant amount is coming in across the unsecured borders such as
    Rio Grande."

    Nothing taken out of context, or changed, to fit my narrative. Your
    own words used against you.

    My own words are facts. It is you who are reading things into them that
    are not true.

    If what you say is to be believed the people who are checking the semi-trailers, cars, airplanes. You make it sound like like these
    people are fools where as they do not know of the alleged tunnels and boats, and oh lets not forget the submarine or two, I did not make up
    that last part, you did this on your own. Submarines... Indeed..

    No such implication. The statements are based on the statistics of the
    drugs that have been caught, including the submarine. Almost all of
    them were not caught crossing the Rio Grande or similar like the asylum
    seekers are doing. The customs and border officials are doing the best
    that they can with limited resources. Drugs are getting through, and it
    is reasonable to think that the ones that are getting through are coming
    in via paths similar to the drugs that have been caught.

    You're hate runs so deep as to where you fantasize about what could
    occur and you sound completely foolish in the process.

    And there you go again, attacking the messenger with ad hominem remarks
    simply because you have nothing reasonable to say other than a feeble
    attempt to twist the words into something that was not said.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Mon Oct 14 19:52:00 2019

    The statements are based on the statistics of the
    drugs that have been caught, including the submarine.

    So then if the drugs in question were caught, this would also seem to indicate that they were intercepted or stopped from entering the USA.

    Drugs are getting through, and it
    is reasonable to think that the ones that are getting through are coming in via paths similar to the drugs that have been caught.

    Is it a reasonable thought or is it a assumption on your part due to your Trump hating political bias?

    For the record I have nothing against you personally Dale, but you do seem
    to stand with the fringe left, just as I am on conservative and a
    stand with Donald Trump who is the President of the United States.

    We can have spirited debates, about r-e-a-l issues as this is one of the places within fidonet for such discussions.

    I do not know where you get your information if it is MSNBC or CNN, or another source. All I am suggesting here at some point, a light bulb should go on and
    a question should start to form, Is Donald Trump as bad as these programs
    that your watching or the papers that you are reading that tell you so.
    If you think they are accurate as you hear and or reading, then why do their attempts keep failing.

    For the why explanation; The truth is discovered by real journalists and
    these people who have peddled a false narrative are discovered beyond any doubt. So why would you trust them in the future. This is why I have
    suggested that liberalism in a mental disorder.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Oct 15 01:48:00 2019
    On 10-14-19 19:48, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Impeachment Inquiry <=-


    The statements are based on the statistics of the
    drugs that have been caught, including the submarine.

    So then if the drugs in question were caught, this would also seem to indicate that they were intercepted or stopped from entering the USA.

    Very true, and customs officials will readily admit that they catch only
    a percentage of the drugs intering the USA via those portals.

    Drugs are getting through, and it
    is reasonable to think that the ones that are getting through are coming in via paths similar to the drugs that have been caught.

    Is it a reasonable thought or is it a assumption on your
    part due to your Trump
    hating political bias?

    See above. It is a reasonable based on reporting by customs officials.

    For the record I have nothing against you personally Dale, but you do
    seem to stand with the fringe left, just as I am on conservative and a stand with Donald Trump who is the President of the United States.

    I stand on the side of the truth. I have, and will continue to dispute
    false information spread here by you or others.

    reading that tell you so. If you think they are accurate as you hear
    and or reading, then why do their attempts keep failing.

    Who says that my sources of information are failing? Their reporting is
    done by responsible journalists, backed up my multiple verified sources
    of information.

    For the why explanation; The truth is discovered by real journalists
    and these people who have peddled a false narrative are discovered
    beyond any doubt. So why would you trust them in the future. This is
    why I have suggested that liberalism in a mental disorder.

    The lies of Trump are easily discovered by the real journalists,
    documented and published by those who care about the truth. He is the instigator of false narrative, discovered beyond any doubt. So why do
    you trust Trump?

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Tue Oct 15 07:28:52 2019
    Who says that my sources of information are failing? Their reporting is done by responsible journalists, backed up my multiple verified sources
    of information.

    Does that include ABC who got caught recently?

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/abc-news-slaughter-in-syria-footage- appears-to-come-from-a-kentucky-gun-range

    "ABC News regrets the error."
    It's more than a error, they deliberately attempted to plant and twist the truth with a video from a Kentucky gun show as a Syrian incident.

    The lies of Trump are easily discovered by the real journalists,
    He is the instigator of false narrative, discovered beyond any doubt.
    you trust Trump?

    What false narrative are you talking about?

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Tue Oct 15 20:46:32 2019
    Who says that my sources of information are failing? Their reporting is done by responsible journalists, backed up my multiple verified sources
    of information.

    In addition to what I have already indicated regarding the ABC story where as they have tried to twist and control the truth.

    CNN President Jeff Zucker was caught also.

    https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/10/15/part-2-cnn-leadership-and-staffers-re veal-true-sentiments-network-picks-favorites-among-democratic-candidates-on-eve -of-debate/

    These people as you have referred to as responsible journalists are not remotely responsible.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:123/525 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Oct 17 18:12:56 2019
    In addition to what I have already indicated regarding the ABC story
    where as they have tried to twist and control the truth.

    They've become so "good" at twisting the truth that their followers have
    become experts at it also. I think that was planned. Now there are a whole bunch of liberal zombies making convenient truths for everything.

    They are working hard to turn the phrase "illegal immigrant" into
    hate-speech. It's now illegal to use the phrase in NYC thanks to liberal
    genius Bill Deblasio. They're brainwashing people with lousy brains.

    Now if I go to NYC and call someone "illegal" then CNN's next headline will read "White Supremacist arrested for attack on exploitable person in NYC."

    Maybe Bill Deblasio is right - from now on, I'll refer to them as
    "exploitable persons."

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sun Oct 20 13:23:30 2019
    On 16 Oct 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    Here are a very few gleaned from many taken off of the reference below. Full descriptions of each item can be had by going to that web site,
    along with many more examples.

    https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/

    Politifact is not where the truth lives. https://thefederalist.com/2016/12/16/running-data-politifact-shows-bias-conserv atives/

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  • From Mark Lewis@1:3634/12 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Oct 20 22:15:50 2019
    Re: Re: Drugs
    By: Gregory Deyss to Dale Shipp on Sun Oct 20 2019 13:19:31


    https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/

    Politifact is not where the truth lives.
    https://thefederalist.com/2016/12/16/running-data-politifact-shows-bias-conserv atives/

    it sure as hell doesn't live at the federalist...


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Oct 21 02:17:00 2019
    On 10-20-19 22:11, Mark Lewis <=-
    spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: Drugs <=-


    Re: Re: Drugs
    By: Gregory Deyss to Dale Shipp on Sun Oct 20 2019 13:19:31

    https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald- trump/statements/byruling/

    Politifact is not where the truth lives. https://thefederalist.com/2016/12/16/running-data- politifact-shows-bias-conservatives/

    it sure as hell doesn't live at the federalist...

    Or whitehouse.gov.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Wed Oct 23 07:30:32 2019
    On 21 Oct 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 10-20-19 22:11, Mark Lewis <=-
    spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: Drugs <=-


    Re: Re: Drugs
    By: Gregory Deyss to Dale Shipp on Sun Oct 20 2019 13:19:31

    https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald- trump/statements/byruling/

    Politifact is not where the truth lives. https://thefederalist.com/2016/12/16/running-data- politifact-shows-bias-conservatives/

    it sure as hell doesn't live at the federalist...

    Or whitehouse.gov.

    Seriously you're including the peoples house and its website whitehouse.gov? Let me guess, it was a ray of sunshine, when Obama was president?

    Here is the thing there is an equal amount of websites both left as well as right, most are listed here at the following site https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/

    Websites from the left websites push left and the right pushes back with equal force, with it's websites. It would appear from my perspective that the
    left's media bias is more than just biased, it is down right dishonest, most
    of the time.

    Then we have this circus concerning impeachment, the reason why
    this is feverishly being attempted, if they do not this, there is no way they or any of their cronies will be able to stop him from being re-elected in
    2020.

    Then you have CNN of which was caught referencing the unthinkable, assassination.
    Sisnette's commentary takes these feeling to the extreme.
    This is a story thats not gonna go away, the network supervisor laments.
    The only way this will go away is when he [Trump] dies.
    He added, Hopefully soon.

    https://thepoliticalinsider.com/cnn-production-supervisor-caught-on-tape-hoping -trump-dies-soon/

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Nov 6 05:57:20 2019
    Hello Greg,

    Who says that my sources of information are failing? Their reporting is >DS>done by responsible journalists, backed up my multiple verified sources >DS>of information.

    In addition to what I have already indicated regarding the ABC story where
    as
    they have tried to twist and control the truth.

    The truth? You can't handle the truth!

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