On 06-29-20 02:06, Grasshopper wrote to All <=-
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What happened to the spirituality aspect of religion? I see people
doing it more for show than anything. Main stream religion seems to
have lost that.
What happened to the spirituality aspect of religion? I see people doing it more for show than anything. Main stream religio
seems to have lost that.
What happened to the spirituality aspect of religion? I see people doing it
On 06-29-20 02:06, Grasshopper wrote to All <=-
@VIA: VERT/ONENESS
What happened to the spirituality aspect of religion? I see people doing it more for show than anything. Main stream religion seems to have lost that.
A lot of what passes for "religion" these days is about power and control of the people. The Catholic Church started out as an instrument of the Roman Empire, from what I understand, after Emperor Constantine converted to Christianity in the 4th Century.
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On 06-29-20 09:35, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
In a case where people will follow the church before the state, it was essential to establish a system where the church became a branch of the state. The divine right of kings was such a system, where kings became leaders of men because it was God's will.
Hello Moondog,
Could you please elaborate? What have you witnessed to support this? I'm curious as to how you've reached this conclusion.
Let me try to answer you. I was a devout Catholic for many, many years. I listened with my heart at the teachings that were given to me in Catechism. I listened with
heart at what the Priest read for the gospel and then the homily. As I grew older I became disheartened at what I saw in the majority of the people and yes, sometimes
the Priest himself. I found that for most the words were hollow. Everyone listened but most did not do what was just spoken
in the gospel. I wanted to shout hypocrites during mass. I saw so many as just "whited sepluchers". I am not saying everyone in the church was like that but
it did seem to be almost all. The getting angry because someone is driving too slow to get out of the church parking lot. Or purposefully cutting someone off in the
church parking lot because someone's time is more valuable than someone elses. At one time, the Priest himself stated he would try to make the mass shorter so everyon
can get home and watch the football game. A "football
game" really? That is more important than hearing the word of God? I have seen these things play out in so many different ways through out my life that I finally deci
it was enough.
Vk3jed wrote to Moondog <=-
On 06-29-20 09:35, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
In a case where people will follow the church before the state, it was essential to establish a system where the church became a branch of the state. The divine right of kings was such a system, where kings became leaders of men because it was God's will.
Yeah, that's another way of explaining it, highlighting that the Church really was an instrument of political power.
On 06-29-20 09:35, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
In a case where people will follow the church before the state, it was essential to establish a system where the church became a branch of the state. The divine right of kings was such a system, where kings became leaders of men because it was God's will.
Yeah, that's another way of explaining it, highlighting that the Church real was an instrument of political power.
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Re: Spirituality
By: Moondog to Grasshopper on Mon Jun 29 2020 09:31 am
Hello Moondog,
Could you please elaborate? What have you witnessed to support this? I' curious as to how you've reached this conclusion.
Let me try to answer you. I was a devout Catholic for many, many years. I li ecame disheartened at what I saw in the majority of the people and yes, some in the gospel. I wanted to shout hypocrites during mass. I saw so many as ju it did seem to be almost all. The getting angry because someone is driving me, the Priest himself stated he would try to make the mass shorter so every game" really? That is more important than hearing the word of God? I have se
I think the message Jesus gave was wonderful and a lot could be learned from it. I just feel people have just watered it down so much that it has been ch that doesn't happen for so many. It is sad. The beautiful messages are righ few will listen.
There is more but that may be more of a novel then. So, going to church is n a bad thing. Being Catholic is not a bad thing. It is what people do with it I was also of the generation where Priests taught 'fire and brim stone' whic es the world a better place?
Hence, for me, it is more about spirituality. I now feel there are many path to God. Not just a single one. It is the "goodness" in oneself that leads on to God. The willingness to help your fellow person. To think of others first his essence. He didn't care about other's religion. He is love. And with lov heart be "bad" because they aren't of another religion. Religion, in my eyes like Jesus had for people. With that, sort of caring, there can be no bad de
I don't know if I conveyed the depths of what I am trying to say or why I ma
Peace and Love, Love and peace to all.
Vk3jed wrote to Moondog <=-
On 06-29-20 09:35, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
In a case where people will follow the church before the state, it was essential to establish a system where the church became a branch of the state. The divine right of kings was such a system, where kings became leaders of men because it was God's will.
Yeah, that's another way of explaining it, highlighting that the Church really was an instrument of political power.
The Church is dead because it is no longer a leader, but a follower. Mainstream churches more or less adapt to the changing cultural more of society. At most, they will resist a little. When the Church is essentiall following Liberalism, then Church becomes nothing of any real meaning.
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Definitely. A have noticed that a number of old prohibitions seem based upo health issues of the times when those parts of religious texts were written the laws laid down.
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On 06-30-20 22:29, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
The Church is dead because it is no longer a leader, but a follower. Mainstream churches more or less adapt to the changing cultural more of society. At most, they will resist a little. When the Church is essentially following Liberalism, then Church becomes nothing of any
real meaning.
This sounds more polirical than theological, and these days, I ignore anything looking remotely like US politics.
Re: Spirituality
By: Moondog to Grasshopper on Tue Jun 30 2020 11:00 pm
Yes,
I am also not saying that every Catholic / Christian is like this. I am sayi dness, love and respect is what it boils down to.
On 07-02-20 11:16, Moondog wrote to Grasshopper <=-
Regardless of practice, most folk in general can agree on a "do unto others" or "treat others as you wish to be treated" philospohy.
Politics and religion always end up interwingled so badly...
This reminds me once I was doing some unformal research about Islam's views asking if it was legit in the eyes of Alah to have sex with war slaves. Acco somebody popped up explaining why it was not ok according to Allah.
The whole situation struck me as "Hmmm.... ok, our religion endorses behavio going to come up with a way to override our scriptures in order to make our
I agree with Dennisk here since the Catholic church has been doing something in a coulcil that God wants you to kill homosexuals, if you decide to overri politically ugly you are basically overriding the word of God for convenienc
But then the debate gets ugly, because you have to check how councils aprove of worms in itself.
What happened to the spirituality aspect of religion? I see people doing it more for show than anything. Main stream religion seems to have lost that.
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I've always wondered how the contracts or obligations were written? If slav
provided a child fathered by the slave owner, was this consentual or obligatory? Were there special or customary rights to be provided for the children? In the sotry of Abraham and Sarah, Sarah provided the Egyptian slave named Hagar to provide a son for Abraham. This resulted in the birth of Ishmael. After Sarah gave birth to Isaac, Sarah demanded Abraham to kick Hagar and Ishmael out of the house and cast them out to the desert. He fed them bread and water, then sent them along their way. That's wild.
Re: Re: Spirituality
By: Moondog to Arelor on Sat Jul 04 2020 11:24 am
I've always wondered how the contracts or obligations were written? If s
provided a child fathered by the slave owner, was this consentual or obligatory? Were there special or customary rights to be provided for th children? In the sotry of Abraham and Sarah, Sarah provided the Egyptian slave named Hagar to provide a son for Abraham. This resulted in the bir of Ishmael. After Sarah gave birth to Isaac, Sarah demanded Abraham to k Hagar and Ishmael out of the house and cast them out to the desert. He f them bread and water, then sent them along their way. That's wild.
What's wild is that, that far back in history, there was a person named SARA and a person named HAGAR. How is that possible?
I often wonder was there a Lewis living next door to Abraham?
A chad?
A spencer?
the names are what make it so hard to buy into...
I suppose most of those names are modern-translations into the closest name the time to something we know so we read Sarah instead of Shara^seo or something,.. But still, i would prefer the names to be as close to what they were as possible.
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I believe the names are Americanized as this story is was first written in Hebrew.
I choose to have a more pagan belief
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