paulie420 wrote to Ogg <=-
Re: Re: Nice BBS/SyncTerm article in Raspberry Pi Tips, Tricks & Fixes
By: Ogg to All on Mon May 18 2020 05:06 pm
Hello Paulie420!
** On Thursday 14.05.20 - 00:04, paulie420 wrote to DaiTengu:
I think the reference to digital privacy is more about keeping said
information out of the hands of those large corporations and less
about some random sysop having the access. In that respect, BBSes do
offer a form of privacy that is extinct in the current internet age.
The public is just blindly carrying on and giving places like FB all ou information for nothing but it should be for $omething.
What I'd prefer, as an alternative, is paying $10/mo for a totally ad-free track-free everything-free Facebook. Just let me pay, because the service, content and amount of people on it are valuable, for the service that I use.
And leave me out of all the algorithmn bullshit.
I would bet a five-dollar-footlong that they make more than $10/month per us A friend of mine is a market expert and we discussed it one night over dinne I asked him if they likely studied the cost/month for a user for this experience and the outcome was above what people would pay. He agreed that h had heard from contacts within the company that they entertained the idea bu their marketing team discovered that, to stay profitable per unit of sale, t cost would be prohibitive for the standard user. The development cost, alone to partition users from the facebook treatment would be expensive. Those use would need to log into a separate facebook since all the algorighms are deep ensconced in the site's code.
I quit facebook in 2009 after they socially engineered me in a very scammy w and I never looked back.
Daniel Traechin
... Visit me at gopher://gcpp.world
Ogg wrote to paulie420 <=-
Hello paulie420!
** On Monday 18.05.20 - 21:13, paulie420 wrote to Ogg:
The public is just blindly carrying on and giving places like FB all
our information for nothing but it should be for $omething.
What I'd prefer, as an alternative, is paying $10/mo for a totally ad- free track-free everything-free Facebook. Just let me pay, because the service, content and amount of people on it are valuable, for the service that I use.
Even $1/mo is too much! It is OUR data that they are using. The cashflow should come in OUR direction.
I would normally agree. If they're going to profit off your data they shoudl pay you. But you are using their 'service' for free so yuo're paying for it with your privacy. All of it. The scope of spying they do would make you sleepless.
I made one more LAST visit to FB tonight. I'm not going back there for at least a month.
In this last visit alone, my data meter indicated that it took 1.8MB (received) and 500K (sent) just to load all the crap before everything settled down. FB is a very big pig.
Much of that is analytics and trackers sitting on your cache. Their intrusiveness is astonishing.
Daniel Traechin
... Visit me at gopher://gcpp.world
I would bet a five-dollar-footlong that they make more than $10/month per user. A friend of mine is a market expert and we discussed it one night over dinner. I asked him if they likely studied the cost/month for a user for this experience and the outcome was above what people would pay. He agreed that he had heard from contacts within the company that they entertained the idea but their marketing team discovered that, to stay profitable per unit of sale, the cost would be prohibitive for the standard user. The development cost, alone, to partition users from the facebook treatment would be expensive. Those users would need to log into a separate facebook since all the algorighms are deeply ensconced in the site's code.
I quit facebook in 2009 after they socially engineered me in a very scammy way and I never looked back.
Daniel Traechin
Re: Re: Nice BBS/SyncTerm art
By: calcmandan to Ogg on Tue May 19 2020 05:44 am
After I started running a Pi-hole with some added lists I noticed in between 25 and 50% requests blocked on cetain sites. Some news sites would not launch at all unless Pi-hole was throttled back.Ogg wrote to paulie420 <=-
Recently I 've been hearing about smart TV's and IP security cameras being quite "chatty" with more than just their manufacturer's sites.
I really hate what the web has turned into.
"We cannot have a society in which, if two people wish to communicate, the only way that can happen is if it's financed by a third person who wishes
to manipulate them" - Jaron Lanier.
This was bound to happen, with many users expecting to use the Internet with understanding what it is and how it works. People have a mental model of computers, where it is an closed box appliance, rather than a tool. This le to a belief that these companies provide a service, when in reality, the service they are providing is just taking control of something which the use could have engineered themselves. All to often, I see people subscribe the services of an app/cloud service provider, to do something which could have been done by e-mail, or email and a basic web page.
Kurisu wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Nice BBS/SyncTerm art
By: Dennisk to Kurisu on Thu May 21 2020 10:18 am
This was bound to happen, with many users expecting to use the Internet with understanding what it is and how it works. People have a mental model of computers, where it is an closed box appliance, rather than a tool. This le to a belief that these companies provide a service, when in reality, the service they are providing is just taking control of something which the use could have engineered themselves. All to often, I see people subscribe the services of an app/cloud service provider, to do something which could have been done by e-mail, or email and a basic web page.
You really were spot on with this. People, on a whole, just don't understand what a computer, in any form, really is from a perspective
of captability. Then again I am one of those people who thinks one
should understand things as much as they can which, while yes, it's not necessary to use and enjoy something, does allow a person to get
maximum usage out of the machine, tool, what have you.
User ignorance, the nature of relying on SEO or freaking YouTube videos
to determine what information a person wil find (see the click bait comment you made as a fine example of SEO being abused for
pointlessness) and corporate greed and forcing things all into the same basket (I'm looking at you Google) has just really messed up not only
the internet but user perception on what the internet actually is, how
it can and should be used, and how it can better ones life.
It's sad, really.
Kurisu wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Nice BBS/SyncTerm art
By: Dennisk to Kurisu on Thu May 21 2020 10:18 am
This was bound to happen, with many users expecting to use the Internet w understanding what it is and how it works. People have a mental model of computers, where it is an closed box appliance, rather than a tool. This to a belief that these companies provide a service, when in reality, the service they are providing is just taking control of something which the could have engineered themselves. All to often, I see people subscribe t services of an app/cloud service provider, to do something which could ha been done by e-mail, or email and a basic web page.
You really were spot on with this. People, on a whole, just don't understand what a computer, in any form, really is from a perspective of captability. Then again I am one of those people who thinks one should understand things as much as they can which, while yes, it's not necessary to use and enjoy something, does allow a person to get maximum usage out of the machine, tool, what have you.
User ignorance, the nature of relying on SEO or freaking YouTube videos to determine what information a person wil find (see the click bait comment you made as a fine example of SEO being abused for pointlessness) and corporate greed and forcing things all into the same basket (I'm looking at you Google) has just really messed up not only the internet but user perception on what the internet actually is, how it can and should be used, and how it can better ones life.
It's sad, really.
I work for a large organisation, and their management of information is mind bogglingly crap. We are literally paying people well above minimum wage, to copy and paste information from one document to another, then sometimes, to copy from THAT to another still. Then paying for someone to eyeball the document to make sure the information matches. Huh? Are people aware that computer can duplicate information flawlessly? Are people aware that you ca store data in such a way that you can write queries to extract the data you need? That the computer itself can take that data and put it into a formatt document for printing? That a computer itself can take care of business log such as when one data set becomes active or inactive? It seems no. They co do so much more with a simple CSV file and some python scripts.
It's like watching someone with a car, have it pulled by a horse and use it some kind of carriage, then complaining that the horses are getting worn dow and getting MORE horses! All because they don't know what a car can actuall do, and people seem to think it is better to just throw more resources at a problem, than make people learn something new.
Because managers have no idea what computers actually do, that you can actua write new logic and instructions, they either go with the crap status quo, o purchase goliath 'consumer web based' enterprise software with poor interoperability with anything but MS Office. They only think in terms of 'apps', and the 'documents' those apps open and close.
All this I think came from the expectation that users should just be able to use appplications, which is wrong headed. They are NOT using applications, they are processing data using logic and storage technology. It's a seeming subtle difference of view, but it leads to vastly different results.
... He does the work of 3 Men...Moe, Larry & Curly
Moondog wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Nice BBS/SyncTerm art
By: Dennisk to Kurisu on Sat May 23 2020 10:49 am
Kurisu wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Nice BBS/SyncTerm art
By: Dennisk to Kurisu on Thu May 21 2020 10:18 am
This was bound to happen, with many users expecting to use the Internet w understanding what it is and how it works. People have a mental model of computers, where it is an closed box appliance, rather than a tool. This to a belief that these companies provide a service, when in reality, the service they are providing is just taking control of something which the could have engineered themselves. All to often, I see people subscribe t services of an app/cloud service provider, to do something which could ha been done by e-mail, or email and a basic web page.
You really were spot on with this. People, on a whole, just don't understand what a computer, in any form, really is from a perspective of captability. Then again I am one of those people who thinks one should understand things as much as they can which, while yes, it's not necessary to use and enjoy something, does allow a person to get maximum usage out of the machine, tool, what have you.
User ignorance, the nature of relying on SEO or freaking YouTube videos to determine what information a person wil find (see the click bait comment you made as a fine example of SEO being abused for pointlessness) and corporate greed and forcing things all into the same basket (I'm looking at you Google) has just really messed up not only the internet but user perception on what the internet actually is, how it can and should be used, and how it can better ones life.
It's sad, really.
I work for a large organisation, and their management of information is mind bogglingly crap. We are literally paying people well above minimum wage, to copy and paste information from one document to another, then sometimes, to copy from THAT to another still. Then paying for someone to eyeball the document to make sure the information matches. Huh? Are people aware that computer can duplicate information flawlessly? Are people aware that you ca store data in such a way that you can write queries to extract the data you need? That the computer itself can take that data and put it into a formatt document for printing? That a computer itself can take care of business log such as when one data set becomes active or inactive? It seems no. They co do so much more with a simple CSV file and some python scripts.
It's like watching someone with a car, have it pulled by a horse and use it some kind of carriage, then complaining that the horses are getting worn dow and getting MORE horses! All because they don't know what a car can actuall do, and people seem to think it is better to just throw more resources at a problem, than make people learn something new.
Because managers have no idea what computers actually do, that you can actua write new logic and instructions, they either go with the crap status quo, o purchase goliath 'consumer web based' enterprise software with poor interoperability with anything but MS Office. They only think in terms of 'apps', and the 'documents' those apps open and close.
All this I think came from the expectation that users should just be able to use appplications, which is wrong headed. They are NOT using applications, they are processing data using logic and storage technology. It's a seeming subtle difference of view, but it leads to vastly different results.
... He does the work of 3 Men...Moe, Larry & Curly
Several years ago i applied for unemployment, and part of the process
was to go to an agency that helped find jobs. They had this cool
online program that aksed questions about where you worked and when,
and what you did, then assembled it into a functional resume. For
users who worked in jobs that normally do not require a resume, I can
see how that would be a time saver. I also could bet whatever format
they used could be easily stripped down and digested by HR software.
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