going to let it continue its flight across the country, until it reaches the Gulf
or the Atlantic or falls down on its own rather than shoot it down.
So, if you live in its path, you might want to go outside and give the Chinese government something to look at. :(
Our government seems as clueless, and vulnerable, as they did right
before 9/11.
MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
going to let it continue its flight across the country, until it reaches the Gulf
or the Atlantic or falls down on its own rather than shoot it down.
So, if you live in its path, you might want to go outside and give the Chinese government something to look at. :(
Our government seems as clueless, and vulnerable, as they did right
before 9/11.
exactly. very pathetic.
too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.
too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.
Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feet altitude? Thanks.
Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.
...beautiful, my beautiful... Chinese Spy Balloon!!!
So this morning I am watching the local news (NBC affiliate), and they mention that a UFO was sighted over Montana and US officials had determined it was a spy balloon, likely from China. Apparently it wafted across the US-Canadian border sometime mid-week.
They also said that the decision on what to do about it went all the way up to President Biden, who said we couldn't shoot it down because it might "fal and hurt someone."
Now, Montana is a very large and very sparsely populated state. Some of
the states it would have had to have crossed through to get to its current position (apparently over Kansas City, MO) are also very sparsely
populated. Plenty of opportunity to shoot it down and have it likely not fall on anything, except a corn field or a former government missle silo site.
Now that they've waited until it is over more populated areas, they are goin to let it continue its flight across the country, until it reaches the Gulf or the Atlantic or falls down on its own rather than shoot it down.
So, if you live in its path, you might want to go outside and give the Chinese government something to look at. :(
Our government seems as clueless, and vulnerable, as they did right
before 9/11.
* SLMR 2.1a * His mind is not for rent / To any god or government
Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-
too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.
Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feet altitude? Thanks.
Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.
Your local hobby shop should have one of those, right? ;)
I get th impression it's being left up to draw attention of other countries. It's like saying to the world thta China must not have that good of satellite surviellance if they rely on a big balloon.Of course, they claim it is a weather balloon. No one believes that. Shame on China.
MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
going to let it continue its flight across the country, until it reaches Gulf
or the Atlantic or falls down on its own rather than shoot it down.
So, if you live in its path, you might want to go outside and give the Chinese government something to look at. :(
Our government seems as clueless, and vulnerable, as they did right before 9/11.
exactly. very pathetic.
too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.
Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feet altitude? Thanks.
Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.
... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..
By: Gamgee to MRO on Fri Feb 03 2023 09:20 pm
too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.
Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feet altitude? Thanks.
Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.
Your local hobby shop should have one of those, right? ;)
Nightfox
I get th impression it's being left up to draw attention of other countries. It's like saying to the world thta China must not have that good of satellite surviellance if they rely on a big balloon.Of course, they claim it is a weather balloon. No one believes that. Shame on China.
Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.
Your local hobby shop should have one of those, right? ;)
Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Fri Feb 03 2023 10:30 pm
Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..
By: Gamgee to MRO on Fri Feb 03 2023 09:20 pm
too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.
Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feet altitude? Thanks.
Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.
Civiliian GPS is hobbled so it has an altitude and speed restriction. The gov 't is afraid of people making ballistic missiles.
Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.
Your local hobby shop should have one of those, right? ;)
It would be pretty hilarious if the government says they cannot bring it down safely and then some Joe Schmo brings it down with some hobby equipment. :D
Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-
exactly. very pathetic.
too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.
Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feet altitude? Thanks.
Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.
Commercial GPS modules are limited by the gov't regarding
operation range. hy are restricted in speed and altitude. They
don't want home brew guided mnissiles.
20 years ago a New Zealander made aclaim it is possible to build
a cruise missile for under $15000 at the time, and he wasn't
taken very seriously. He started a build log, leaving out
technical stuff to a minimum. When he scheduled a flightplan
with the New Zealand version of the FAA, they took him seriously.
And so did the US. He sells high end model planes and he was
restricted in selling certain technology to customers in the
Middle East. In order to function with commercial GPS chips, he
kept his flight plan to lower altitudes and lower speeds. In
stead of making a mach 4 missile he made a WWII style pulse jet
similar to a V-1 rocket. It would fly along at 300-400 mph and
fly a level course along several waypoints (low altitude object
avoidance, fly below radar.)
It would be pretty hilarious if the government says they cannot bring it down safely and then some Joe Schmo brings it down with some hobby equipment. :D
honestly i was expecting elon musk to do something.
just for laughs.
Cool story. Not sure what it's got to do with the topic under
discussion..., but still cool.
It would be pretty hilarious if the government says they cannot bring it down safely and then some Joe Schmo brings it down with some hobby equipment. :D
honestly i was expecting elon musk to do something.
just for laughs.
If someone had the tech to go up that high, grab it, and bring it back, it would probably be him. Now that it has happened, it would not surprise me if he doesn't figure out how to do it.
Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-
Cool story. Not sure what it's got to do with the topic under discussion..., but still cool.
Using non-government technology to bring the balloon down was how
I think we got to this. It is an interesting story for sure.
MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
It would be pretty hilarious if the government says they cannot bring it down safely and then some Joe Schmo brings it down with some hobby equipment. :D
honestly i was expecting elon musk to do something.
just for laughs.
If someone had the tech to go up that high, grab it, and bring it back, it would probably be him. Now that it has happened, it would not surprise me if he doesn't figure out how to do it.
it's just a balloon that went up high. despite the us govt
actions, it's not impossible to take down.
Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..
By: Moondog to Dumas Walker on Sat Feb 04 2023 03:15 am
I get th impression it's being left up to draw attention of other countri It's like saying to the world thta China must not have that good of satellite surviellance if they rely on a big balloon.Of course, they clai it is a weather balloon. No one believes that. Shame on China.
maybe it's a way to test us. we showed them that we let it cross the entire
I get th impression it's being left up to draw attention of other countrie It's like saying to the world thta China must not have that good of satell surviellance if they rely on a big balloon.Of course, they claim it is a weather balloon. No one believes that. Shame on China.
If you are able to fly balloons over your target, and nothing happens, why waste money to launch a satellite? I have heard the weather balloon claim as well as that it might have been launched by a non-government entity but, yeah, no one believes that.
There are supposedly now two of them.
The weather has been very clear in some of the areas it was sighted in. Makes me wonder if it happens more often than we know, and it was only exposed because civilians noticed it this time.
* SLMR 2.1a * Do ministers do more than lay people?
Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.
Your local hobby shop should have one of those, right? ;)
It would be pretty hilarious if the government says they cannot bring it down safely and then some Joe Schmo brings it down with some hobby equipment. :D
* SLMR 2.1a * Those who live by the sword... kill those who don't.
Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sat Feb 04 2023 12:20 pm
Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Fri Feb 03 2023 10:30 pm
Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..
By: Gamgee to MRO on Fri Feb 03 2023 09:20 pm
too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.
Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feet altitude? Thanks.
Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.
oh i see my buddy gamgee who i block is replying to me.
I'm sure the govt has drones that can fly that high. also the altitude
from the balloon was changing. the govt certainly has unmanned aircraft tha
BALLOON SO HARD! SO HARD TO GET BALLOON!
i can tell you voted for biden, gamgee.
Civiliian GPS is hobbled so it has an altitude and speed restriction. Th gov 't is afraid of people making ballistic missiles.
people could see the huge balloon. it was also somewhat manuverable.
Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-
exactly. very pathetic.
too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.
Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feet altitude? Thanks.
Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.
Commercial GPS modules are limited by the gov't regarding
operation range. hy are restricted in speed and altitude. They
don't want home brew guided mnissiles.
20 years ago a New Zealander made aclaim it is possible to build
a cruise missile for under $15000 at the time, and he wasn't
taken very seriously. He started a build log, leaving out
technical stuff to a minimum. When he scheduled a flightplan
with the New Zealand version of the FAA, they took him seriously.
And so did the US. He sells high end model planes and he was restricted in selling certain technology to customers in the
Middle East. In order to function with commercial GPS chips, he
kept his flight plan to lower altitudes and lower speeds. In
stead of making a mach 4 missile he made a WWII style pulse jet
similar to a V-1 rocket. It would fly along at 300-400 mph and
fly a level course along several waypoints (low altitude object avoidance, fly below radar.)
Cool story. Not sure what it's got to do with the topic under discussion..., but still cool.
... Diplomacy is saying 'Nice Doggy' until you find a rock.
It's route was over a bunch of sites they could easily keep track of with satellite. A ballon would take weeks to get here over the North Pole and Canada so if they wanted to catch or observe something special, they would have to have ample time to know what and where to look for. It was left up there to draw attention to the antics of the Chinese government. Any signals that came from it could've been captured and decrypted by the CIA.
It was also at 66,000 feet. Non-military GPS limits altitude to 60,000 feet a nd speds under 1000 knots. Whatever you want to hit it with would have operate outside the bounds of commercial grade equipment
Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Feb 05 2023 09:57 am
It would be pretty hilarious if the government says they cannot brin it down safely and then some Joe Schmo brings it down with some hobb equipment. :D
honestly i was expecting elon musk to do something.
just for laughs.
If someone had the tech to go up that high, grab it, and bring it back, i would probably be him. Now that it has happened, it would not surprise m if he doesn't figure out how to do it.
it's just a balloon that went up high. despite the us govt actions, it's no
it's just a balloon that went up high. despite the us govt actions, it's no
The US shot it down with a missile from an F-22. I'm sure the CIA studied it
a bunch while it wass trasmitting
Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Feb 05 2023 12:06 pm
It was also at 66,000 feet. Non-military GPS limits altitude to 60,000 f a nd speds under 1000 knots. Whatever you want to hit it with would have operate outside the bounds of commercial grade equipment
that's what we were told one time. this is not a normal balloon and it's po
if they wanted high-res imagery they could control the balloon and forced it
This very large balloon, manuverable with sensors. Perhaps
the sensors on the airship were more advanced than satellite tech.
It was a plain old helium balloon. Depending on size and weight carried, it will fly at one height.
This very large balloon, manuverable with sensors. Perhaps
the sensors on the airship were more advanced than satellite tech.
Where have they said it was manuverable? The path it took from China, over Alaska, Canada, and the rest of the US follows the typical path of the jet stream. It did not really deviate that much, if at all.
Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Feb 05 2023 04:53 pm
it's just a balloon that went up high. despite the us govt actions, i no
The US shot it down with a missile from an F-22. I'm sure the CIA studie it
a bunch while it wass trasmitting
that's not good enough. it should be shot down before entering our airspace.
Moondog wrote to MRO <=-
that's not good enough. it should be shot down before entering our airspace.
Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. In
Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study the
methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited until
sundown to prevent from being observed.
Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?
Dumas Walker wrote to MOONDOG <=-
The weather has been very clear in some of the areas it was sighted in. Makes me wonder if it happens more often than we know, and it was only exposed because civilians noticed it this time.
Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
By: Moondog to MRO on Mon Feb 06 2023 09:46 am
It was a plain old helium balloon. Depending on size and weight carried, will fly at one height.
no it wasnt. information the chinese eluded to is that the balloon was somew
and it was not a plain old balloon. it was fucking huge.
Moondog wrote to MRO <=-
that's not good enough. it should be shot down before entering our airspa
Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. In Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study the
methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited until
sundown to prevent from being observed.
Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?
... All the easy problems have been solved.
it's in a lot of articles. it's not a regular weather balloon.
Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. In Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study the
methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited until
sundown to prevent from being observed.
Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?
Dumas Walker wrote to MOONDOG <=-
The weather has been very clear in some of the areas it was sighted in. Makes me wonder if it happens more often than we know, and it was only exposed because civilians noticed it this time.
3 times while Trump was president, apparently.
It was a big ass helium ballon the length of two buses. The ballon stayed at 66k feet all through it's course. At the spped it travelled across the US,
it's in a lot of articles. it's not a regular weather balloon.
I knew that. It did have what looked like solar panels but maybe they were/were also sails that could be moved to cause it to change its course somewhat.
Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?
They have it because Joe Biden left it for them during the great exit!!
The weather has been very clear in some of the areas it was sighted
in. Makes me wonder if it happens more often than we know, and it
was only exposed because civilians noticed it this time.
3 times while Trump was president, apparently.
Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-
that's not good enough. it should be shot down before entering our airspa
Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. In Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study the
methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited until
sundown to prevent from being observed.
Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?
Even if they did, EOD teams travel with security teams which keep observers and passers by several hundred yards from the device
being dismantled. Assumming no one noticed this group of guys
NODS with magnification recording video, they would also require
a clear line of sight to see what the EOD guys are doing.
Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-
Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. In Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study the
methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited until
sundown to prevent from being observed.
Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?
If they didn't before, they do now thanks to Biden.
Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Tue Feb 07 2023 06:29 am
The weather has been very clear in some of the areas it was sighted
in. Makes me wonder if it happens more often than we know, and it
was only exposed because civilians noticed it this time.
3 times while Trump was president, apparently.
And apparently they didn't realize it until well after the balloon had left our airspace.
DaiTengu
There are people who think Trump is still the "secret president" and
that the US Military still takes orders from him.
So, was Trump directly in charge of the Afghanistan withdrawl?
i dunno. do you really think that's so? it's not just the govt that could catch something like that. it's airports and civilians that could catch it also.
i guess in the past they flew over small areas.
the media that is getting a boner about trump bashing is bloomberg and other trump haters.
i dont think we ever had a godzilla balloon just map an entire stretch from coast to coast before.
Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. In Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study the methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited until sundown to prevent from being observed.
Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?
If they didn't before, they do now thanks to Biden.
* SLMR 2.1a * I'm! A! Graduate! Of! The! Bill! Shatner! Acting! School!
Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Feb 07 2023 02:56 pm
It was a big ass helium ballon the length of two buses. The ballon staye at 66k feet all through it's course. At the spped it travelled across th US,
they said it was around 50k in some locations.
also pentagon and other sources said its maneuverable.
Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-
that's not good enough. it should be shot down before entering our air
Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. In Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study the methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited until sundown to prevent from being observed.
Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?
Even if they did, EOD teams travel with security teams which keep observers and passers by several hundred yards from the device
being dismantled. Assumming no one noticed this group of guys
NODS with magnification recording video, they would also require
a clear line of sight to see what the EOD guys are doing.
But they need that (a clear line of sight) anyway... (even in daylight). What you're saying doesn't make much sense in supporting the idea that
they do things after dark to avoid being observed.
... Press any key to continue or any other key to quit
if it's imaging areas it probably had the ability to adjust vertically, asel
i just looked it up and this balloon was 200feet in height and was carringro
d 2,000lbs of payload
Then they waited until it got 6 miles off our coast to shoot it down.
There are people who think Trump is still the "secret president" and thathe
S Military still takes orders from him.
So, was Trump directly in charge of the Afghanistan withdrawl?
Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-
If they didn't before, they do now thanks to Biden.
Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-
If they didn't before, they do now thanks to Biden.
You mean, because of the middle-east troop draw-down that Trump
signed before he left?
If they didn't before, they do now thanks to Biden.
You mean, because of the middle-east troop draw-down that Trump
signed before he left?
If they didn't before, they do now thanks to Biden.
You mean, because of the middle-east troop draw-down that Trump
signed before he left?
no because of biden leaving equipment and people there.
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