https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/05/the-music-lives-on/
We will say what we want, but Apple would have been dead and gone without that product. The translucent iMac brought them back, but iPod ensured the cash flow that paved the way for iPhone.
I had an mp3 player before getting an iPod eventually and never looked back. They nailed the coffin on other players with the intuitive interface with the scroll wheel. Just sad that it was also a vanity product. You didn't have white earphones with the iconic white wires. What was wrong with you?
What do you think?
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/05/the-music-lives-on/
We will say what we want, but Apple would have been dead and gone without th product. The translucent iMac brought them back, but iPod ensured the cash f that paved the way for iPhone.
I had an mp3 player before getting an iPod eventually and never looked back. They nailed the coffin on other players with the intuitive interface with th scroll wheel. Just sad that it was also a vanity product. You didn't have wh earphones with the iconic white wires. What was wrong with you?
What do you think?
Re: Bye Bye iPod
By: Ennev to All on Tue May 10 2022 06:54 pm
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/05/the-music-lives-on/
We will say what we want, but Apple would have been dead and gone witho that product. The translucent iMac brought them back, but iPod ensured cash flow that paved the way for iPhone.
I had an mp3 player before getting an iPod eventually and never looked back. They nailed the coffin on other players with the intuitive interf with the scroll wheel. Just sad that it was also a vanity product. You didn't have white earphones with the iconic white wires. What was wrong with you?
What do you think?
They say "while supplies last", like it's a limited edition or something..
Before the iPod came out, I remember seeing the Diamond Rio MP3 player in st irs.
In 2001-2002, I did have an MP3 player, but it was a different brand. It us ad a lot more storage than the previous MP3 players I had.
Apple's iPods were easy to use, but I always found it weird that so many peo
Nightfox
They say "while supplies last", like it's a limited edition or something.. Did Apple decide to stop making their iPod Touch?
In 2001-2002, I did have an MP3 player, but it was a different brand. It used CompactFlash cards, and I think the biggest card I had for it was 128 megabytes. I found it fairly easy to use. Later I did have a few Apple iPods, but mainly because they had a lot more storage than the previous MP3 players I had.
Apple's iPods were easy to use, but I always found it weird that so many people would go crazy for their products and line up to buy them when they came out.
I guess because I've always been a bit on the autistic spectrum disorder side, I never saw a dying need to keep up with the Jones'. I was hung up on the concept of what people related to as "normal" behavior. I was happy with a ch eap but reliable Taiwanese portable tape player, and didn't care about the vanity factor of owning the latest version Walkman. I did feel what it was
It also taught us kids to value what we could have, and to be smart with the money we earned. Some of the best things in life are not things.
Ennev wrote to All <=-
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/05/the-music-lives-on/
We will say what we want, but Apple would have been dead and gone
without that product. The translucent iMac brought them back, but iPod ensured the cash flow that paved the way for iPhone.
I had an mp3 player before getting an iPod eventually and never looked back. They nailed the coffin on other players with the intuitive
interface with the scroll wheel. Just sad that it was also a vanity product. You didn't have white earphones with the iconic white wires.
What was wrong with you?
But Apple's attitude of "we control everything" always grated on me and I always found better products for less, so I had no reason to submit to the Lord Steve Jobs.
I've had many MP3 players. The Archos devices beat Apple hands down. I did own 1 iPod that I got used somewhere. It was worthless until I flashed it with Rockbox. Then it was actually pretty nice.
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/05/the-music-lives-on/
We will say what we want, but Apple would have been dead and gone without th product. The translucent iMac brought them back, but iPod ensured the cash f that paved the way for iPhone.
I had an mp3 player before getting an iPod eventually and never looked back. They nailed the coffin on other players with the intuitive interface with th scroll wheel. Just sad that it was also a vanity product. You didn't have wh earphones with the iconic white wires. What was wrong with you?
What do you think?
I guess because I've always been a bit on the autistic spectrum disorder side, I never saw a dying need to keep up with the Jones'. I was hung up the concept of what people related to as "normal" behavior. I was happy with a ch eap but reliable Taiwanese portable tape player, and didn't car about the vanity factor of owning the latest version Walkman. I did feel what it was
I get you, myself it was only the fact that I wasn't limited to only a few songs that I would get tired of hearing, and podcasts. And the battery life, not having to recharge AA all the time and having more than a few hours of music was cool.
It also taught us kids to value what we could have, and to be smart wit the money we earned. Some of the best things in life are not things.
So sad that profit at all cost where outsourcing was the norm without regard people's life. And with the problem in the work right now, having the buildi capacity in the country would definitely help with the shortages. Myself I would be ready to pay an extra few extra $$ to have something built locally fairly.
Ennev wrote to All <=-
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/05/the-music-lives-on/
We will say what we want, but Apple would have been dead and gone without that product. The translucent iMac brought them back, but iPod ensured the cash flow that paved the way for iPhone.
Apple's had a long track record of "jumping ahead" then failing to innovate while their competitors moved past them - in price, quality and features.
But Apple's attitude of "we control everything" always grated on me and I always found better products for less, so I had no reason to submit to the L Steve Jobs.
I had an mp3 player before getting an iPod eventually and never looked back. They nailed the coffin on other players with the intuitive interface with the scroll wheel. Just sad that it was also a vanity product. You didn't have white earphones with the iconic white wires. What was wrong with you?
I've had many MP3 players. The Archos devices beat Apple hands down. I did own 1 iPod that I got used somewhere. It was worthless until I flashed it w Rockbox. Then it was actually pretty nice.
... In an attempt to kill a fly, I drove into a pole.
Yes, my first one (kodak's MC3 (hey a player and a camera!!)) used a compact flash. So yes, a hard drive was a game-changer.
Even cheap feature phones can double as an mp3 and radio players these days. There is not much of a reason for having a vanity portable music player anymore.
On that note, imagine if there was a limited conflict with China, and electronics from the Pacific Rim nations were cut off from being shipped outside of their navy's control. How many companies int he US or Canada or even Europe have the ability to make electronic component, pcb manufacturing, and pick and place assembly technology. How about basic materials for making batteries and led's for lasers and flashlights?
I may still have it, a SiPix Blink and an Aiptek Pencam from when I went through a low-res phase.
Ennev wrote to Dr. What <=-
Oh, the Archos, that was a nice device, forgot about it.
Even cheap feature phones can double as an mp3 and radio players these days. There is not much of a reason for having a vanity portable music player anymore.
I think that vanity played a lot. A kid wouldn't want to be seen with something else; it was a status thing.
But the other aspect was simplicity, I guess. Where we are all a bunch of geeks familiar with tech, we can rip, recode, format, and copy stuff in our sleep. But for most people, it's not the
case. I guess that close-up platform brought simplicity and a clear path to do things; it's the only path but a path that will work.
How many of you set up players for relatives and friends? I think they were loading it up at purchase for a lot of users, and then the player never got any new files into them.
I still have 2 Archos XS200 (creamed spinach screen, 20MB hard drive - not flash RAM) and 2 Archos phone-sized tablets. I still bring them out every so often for use.
I think I have only met one person IRL who had an iPod. Everybody else was using something else.
Maybe it would take some time but some capacity could be regained. The US still produces the "top of the line" CPU. Research is made in North
I think I have only met one person IRL who had an iPod. Everybody else was using something else.
It is not like ripping CDs or downloading from The Pirate Bay is harder than setting up iTunes on Windows. I don't think managing an iPod was simpler.
Wow, Archos is really popular around here. In my circle here in Montreal it was kind of rare, one would have one and have the admiration of others.
But somehow, people don't listen to music as much. What I see now is people scrolling on Instagram or Facebook etc.
Music seems to be less popular.
I
thought they made the silicon wafers in the US, but then the wafers would typically be shipped to China (and maybe a couple other countries) that actually made the CPUs from the wafers.
That might be true. But the odd thing is they're not mutually exclusive. With smartphones, you could be listening to music while reading Facebook, Instagram, or others.
I
thought they made the silicon wafers in the US, but then the wafers would
typically be shipped to China (and maybe a couple other countries) that
actually made the CPUs from the wafers.
Yes, the wafer is where the art really is. cutting the wafer into chips and
putting them in a package and attaching pins to it could be done anywhere.
On that note, imagine if there was a limited conflict with China, and electronics from the Pacific Rim nations were cut off from being shipped outside of their navy's control. How many companies int he US or Canada o even Europe have the ability to make electronic component, pcb manufacturing, and pick and place assembly technology. How about basic materials for making batteries and led's for lasers and flashlights?
Maybe it would take some time but some capacity could be regained. The US st produces the "top of the line" CPU. Research is made in North America. Thy w the embargo on chips to china did hurt companies like Huawei and Xiaomi. For time a lot of Power PC chips were produced here (for me) around Montreal. Usually, the prototyping is still made in America and mass production is outsourced elsewhere. Maybe that will change with current world dynamics. Bu won't be done overnight.
But yes, globalism got kicked in the nuts.
I'd think etching the chips and cutting the wafers is really high-precision work, and you'd need good tools and knowledgeable workers to do that.
Oh, here (Montreal) in public transport, iPods were dominating,..
But somehow, people don't listen to music as much. What I
see now is people scrolling on Instagram or Facebook etc.
Music seems to be less popular.
Always thought that for the fun of it one day I'll try to unbend or replace the connector.
I still have 2 Archos XS200 (creamed spinach screen, 20MB hard drive - not flash RAM) and 2 Archos phone-sized tablets. I still bring them out every so often for use.
Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
By: Ennev to Arelor on Thu May 12 2022 07:48 am
Even cheap feature phones can double as an mp3 and radio players these days. There is not much of a reason for having a vanity portable music player anymore.
I think that vanity played a lot. A kid wouldn't want to be seen with something else; it was a status thing.
But the other aspect was simplicity, I guess. Where we are all a bunch of geeks familiar with tech, we can rip, recode, format, and copy stuff in o sleep. But for most people, it's not the case. I guess that close-up platform brought simplicity and a clear path to do things; it's the only path but a path that will work.
How many of you set up players for relatives and friends? I think they we loading it up at purchase for a lot of users, and then the player never g any new files into them.
I think I have only met one person IRL who had an iPod. Everybody else was using something else.
It is not like ripping CDs or downloading from The Pirate Bay is harder than setting up iTunes on Windows. I don't think managing an iPod was simpler.
On the other hand, with modern music players, it is quite common for my moth to ask me to fill hers up with Heavy Metal and then she never bothers to add remove any music :-)
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Always thought that for the fun of it one day I'll try to unbend or
replace the connector.
That's a noble hobby, re-straightening pins. I did that on a 486 CPU and more VGA cables than I could count.
My wife had an iPod or two, and it was a pain to put music on. Checking the sync setting, to make sure you wouldn't wipe a collection, then the incompatilities between whatever version of iTunes she needed, with what
would urn on her Apple. I bought a device which exposed the internal drive as a USB Mass Storage device, so, so much easier.
There's no doubt we'd recover eventually. Will it happen fast enough to endure a long campaign?
Maybe that's only on your route on public transport! LOL
That's a noble hobby, re-straightening pins. I did that on a 486 CPU and more VGA cables than I could count.
I have an old iPod Mini, I wonder if I could cram a Raspberry Pi Zero in it and somehow use the screen? :)
Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
By: Boraxman to Arelor on Fri May 13 2022 07:17 pm
My wife had an iPod or two, and it was a pain to put music on. Checking the sync setting, to make sure you wouldn't wipe a collection, then the incompatilities between whatever version of iTunes she needed, with wha
I used to have an iPod Touch years ago. I didn't think it was that much of pain to put music on (and I don't remember having to worry about wiping out collection). It was just a matter of dragging music files from the iTunes music list to the device.
would urn on her Apple. I bought a device which exposed the internal dr as a USB Mass Storage device, so, so much easier.
I had tried browsing the filesystem of my iPod Touch, and I found that the M files I put on it were copied to strange locations and renamed to something thta looked like hashes or something. If I had just copied MP3 files somewh on it, I don't think its internal player software would have seen them. It seemed that the music syncing scheme between a computer and an iPod had some scheme to keep track of the music files.. I figured the iPods (and also iPhones) may have been using some database to keep track of the music files would name the music files based on a hash or something used by the databse identify them.
Nightfox
Nightfox wrote to Arelor <=-
Ripping/downloading and using iTunes are not mutually exclusive. For a while I had a couple iPods (and before that, a couple non-Apple MP3 players), and I had ripped my own CD collection and used iTunes to copy
my ripped MP3s onto my iPods.
Ennev wrote to Nightfox <=-
Again it's just my perception when I'm using (rarely these days) public transport. I still see a lot of people with earbuds or headphones, but less than it used to be. Most people are reading screens nowadays.
Moondog wrote to Ennev <=-
There's no doubt we'd recover eventually. Will it happen fast enough
to endure a long campaign? Will our economy survive or give way to a positive change that helps win a war?
Ennev wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Maybe no need, just install rockbox on it. https://www.rockbox.org/
you'll have plenty of fun just with the original hardware.
Loading iTunes on my computer for the first time in 8
years, I'm reminded what a steaming heap of dung it is.
I've run Android, and like being able to take my SD card
out, load any music or video format on it, and play it
with VLC or any audio app.
I used to have an iPod Touch years ago. I didn't think it
was that much of a pain to put music on (and I don't
remember having to worry about wiping out my collection).
It was just a matter of dragging music files from the
iTunes music list to the device.
I had tried browsing the filesystem of my iPod Touch, and I
found that the MP3 files I put on it were copied to strange
locations and renamed to something thta looked like hashes
or something.
My wife had an iPod or two, and it was a pain to put music
on. Checking the sync setting, to make sure you wouldn't
wipe a collection, then the incompatilities between
whatever version of iTunes she needed, with what would urn
on her Apple. I bought a device which exposed the internal
drive as a USB Mass Storage device, so, so much easier.
Apple seems easier, but it isn't. Apple users are like
those people who have some convoluted, difficult way of
doing things, but resist being taught some principles and
knowledge to work better. Learning is too hard.
I'm setting up a spare phone, I got an iPhone SE to replace an older
phone on my account that didn't have 4G.
Loading iTunes on my computer for the first time in 8 years, I'm
reminded what a steaming heap of dung it is. I've run Android, and
like being able to take my SD card out, load any music or video format
on it, and play it with VLC or any audio app.
I noticed that too when I discovered i-FunBox for the PC. i-
Funbox was my tool of choice when I simply needed to use the
iPods as "storage" devices for transporting temporary files
like video files or documents.
Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
It is also a very capable ripper, and converter.
I do miss ripping CDs while getting all the metadata right - that's
one thing I appreciate iTunes for.
back. They nailed the coffin on other players with the intuitive interface with th scroll wheel. Just sad that it was also a vanity product. You didn't have wh earphones with the iconic white wires. What was wrong with you?
What do you think?
I guess because I've always been a bit on the autistic spectrum disorder side, I never saw a dying need to keep up with the Jones'. I was hung up on
I call it the Cult of Steve Jobs. He had a vision of making machines that did not have the traditional machine characteristics. His obsession with not putting loud fans in his products was another example. During his exodus
I understand the iTunes software was a pain, especially on windows :-) But I always felt there was a workaround. In a way, it helped me organize my music much better than what I was doing on winamp. With the help of stuff like "music brain picard" I tagged properly my music collection and at first, reluctantly iTunes (now music) became my central repository. But sadly that silo approach always was and is still there from many manufacturers, wasn't really easy to use a Palm Pilot without the proprietary software or even a kindle today. In a way it's sad, I don't mind that I have to use your software but let me use something else too.
Even cheap feature phones can double as an mp3 and radio player these days. There is not much of a reason for having a vanity portable music player anymore.
I never understood the iPod fever. A Sansa Clip would get you about the same service without making you dependent of the Apple ecosystem. Everybody who used an iPod around me needed a different sort of wire and a specific software suite for it. Meanwhile normal people using commodity players got the same service without having to suffer.
Hello poindexter FORTRAN!
** On Friday 13.05.22 - 06:46, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox:
Loading iTunes on my computer for the first time in 8
years, I'm reminded what a steaming heap of dung it is.
I've run Android, and like being able to take my SD card
out, load any music or video format on it, and play it
with VLC or any audio app.
For me, I find that the iTunes prog is quite a fine performer
as a database for local tunes. I still use 10.5.0.142 on my XP
machines. One of them shares its repository with another
iTunes repository that I have on a Win7/64 desktop.
It is also a very capable ripper, and converter.
Re: Bye Bye iPod
By: MRO to Moondog on Wed May 11 2022 04:20 am
Did you simply explain it, or did you check that he understood?
I remember getting a lot of things explained to me as a kid, and it was a waste of time for both of us. You can explain until you're blue in the face, but none of that will matter if the other person isn't operating with the same values.
I do miss ripping CDs, while getting all the metadata right - that's
one thing I appreciate iTunes for.
I noticed that too when I discovered i-FunBox for the PC. i-
Funbox was my tool of choice when I simply needed to use the
iPods as "storage" devices for transporting temporary files
like video files or documents.
like 10 years ago at work we had to in an emergency copy a database of about 20GB, the only thing we had readily available was the modified iPod classic with a 320GB HD. It got us out of trouble.
No special software was needed just have to set through the iTunes software "enable disk use" and that wast it. Of could it would play media files there but enable you to transport files.
Re: Bye Bye iPod
By: Moondog to Ennev on Wed May 11 2022 12:43 am
back. They nailed the coffin on other players with the intuitive interface with th scroll wheel. Just sad that it was also a vanity product. You didn't have wh earphones with the iconic white wires. Wha was wrong with you?
What do you think?
I guess because I've always been a bit on the autistic spectrum disorder side, I never saw a dying need to keep up with the Jones'. I was hung up
when i was a kid there was a lot of pressure. i'm an adult now so i dont dre
a
lesser or in house brand from Walmart, or other mega stores. Sad part s somed
of the older brand names I could trust have all been bought up and now produce clothing in others countries cheaper. Not just in price cheaper, but cheaply made.
I don't mind burning cheap jeans and work pants if i can buy three or
four
pair for the price of whatever the cool brand goes for. Shoes are a different story because I wear through cheap shoes faster and the price savings isn't that great. I can recycle faded or old clothes for home use. worn out shoes are worn out shoes regardless.
Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Ogg on Mon May 16 2022 06:33 am
I do miss ripping CDs, while getting all the metadata right - that's one thing I appreciate iTunes for.
There are also other CD ripping programs that can download the metadata and apply it to MP3/FLAC/etc. files automatically. And other programs like MP3T make it easy to update common tags in multiple files (such as album name and cover photo, auto-incrementing track numbers, etc.).
Nightfox
Long time GRIP user here. It will be a sad day when it is no longer runnable. Insert the CD, it gets the tags from CDDB (or whatever free equivalent is around now), easy to configure and simple.
For me, I find that the iTunes prog is quite a fine
performer as a database for local tunes. I still use
10.5.0.142 on my XP machines. One of them shares its
repository with another iTunes repository that I have on a
Win7/64 desktop.
It is also a very capable ripper, and converter.
so what do you mean by 'database'? you mean you can search
all the songs you have? you can do that without itunes if
htat's what you mean.
i'm still using winamp here.
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