I sometimes miss the way he said "China"

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Re: Things I miss
By: IB Joe to All on Tue Jan 18 2022 09:57 am

I sometimes miss the way he said "China"

He who? Trump?

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I sometimes miss the way he said "China"

I miss having gas under $2/gallon and I miss not having stagflation.


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DUMAS WALKER wrote to IB JOE <=-

I sometimes miss the way he said "China"

I miss having gas under $2/gallon and I miss not having stagflation.

It was like 2.89 in California just before Biden was installed after the coup.


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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: MATTHEW MUNSON to DUMAS WALKER on Sun Feb 13 2022 08:47 pm

DUMAS WALKER wrote to IB JOE <=-

I sometimes miss the way he said "China"

I miss having gas under $2/gallon and I miss not having stagflation.

It was like 2.89 in California just before Biden was installed after the coup.

i have been driving my truck because of the weather. it's costing me a fucking arm and leg to gas up.
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On 13 Feb 2022, MATTHEW MUNSON said the following...

It was like 2.89 in California just before Biden was installed after the coup.

Day of reckoning not too far away...

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i have been driving my truck because of the weather. it's costing me a fucking arm and leg to gas up. -+-

So.. after a couple more fillups you will be known as Matt.


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i have been driving my truck because of the weather. it's costing me a fucking arm and leg to gas up. -+-

So.. after a couple more fillups you will be known as Matt.

LOL! If he's in a pile of leaves we'll call him Russell.



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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Gamgee to Ogg on Mon Feb 14 2022 12:18 pm

i have been driving my truck because of the weather. it's costing me
a fucking arm and leg to gas up. -+-

So.. after a couple more fillups you will be known as Matt.

LOL! If he's in a pile of leaves we'll call him Russell.

In water: Bob

Hanging on a wall: Art

In a hole: Phil

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: MRO to MATTHEW MUNSON on Mon Feb 14 2022 02:20:18

i have been driving my truck because of the weather. it's costing me a fucking arm and leg to gas up.

I feel your pain. I'm really envying my wife's 4 cylinder.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: SYS64738 to MRO on Mon Feb 14 2022 09:07 am

i have been driving my truck because of the weather. it's costing me a
fucking arm and leg to gas up.

I feel your pain. I'm really envying my wife's 4 cylinder.

My car is a relatively small car, but its fuel economy isn't quite as good as one might expect. It has a 2.5-liter 5-cylinder engine, and it generates decent power (which I like), but usually it averages about 19mpg in the city (I've seen it get about about 32mpg on the highway). It seems after my model year, they went to turbocharged 4-cylinder engines. I feel like a turbocharger is one more thing that can go wrong, but I suppose a 4-cylinder could get better fuel economy.

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I sometimes miss the way he said "China"

I miss having gas under $2/gallon and I miss not having stagflation.

It was like 2.89 in California just before Biden was installed after the coup.

And what is it now? It is just over $3 here. I suspect you all have some extra taxes applied to your per gallon cost (although KY has quite a few).


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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dumas Walker to MATTHEW MUNSON on Mon Feb 14 2022 04:02 pm

It was like 2.89 in California just before Biden was installed after
the coup.

And what is it now? It is just over $3 here. I suspect you all have some extra taxes applied to your per gallon cost (although KY has quite a few).

I'm not the person you were replying to, but where I am (Oregon), gas is around $3.70 to $4.15 per gallon.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: SYS64738 to MRO on Mon Feb 14 2022 09:07 am

Re: Re: Things I miss
By: MRO to MATTHEW MUNSON on Mon Feb 14 2022 02:20:18

i have been driving my truck because of the weather. it's costing me a fucking arm and leg to gas up.

I feel your pain. I'm really envying my wife's 4 cylinder.

i have a little car for gas milegage. i went on the road when it was snowing and did a fucking 360 spin on the highway.
I wasn't even going fast OR turning. it felt like something just grabbed me and threw me.
road crews suck in wisconsin.

never again!
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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Gamgee to Ogg on Mon Feb 14 2022 12:18 pm

i have been driving my truck because of the weather. it's costing me
a fucking arm and leg to gas up. -+-

So.. after a couple more fillups you will be known as Matt.

LOL! If he's in a pile of leaves we'll call him Russell.

In water: Bob

Hanging on a wall: Art

In a hole: Phil

Hahahaha!

In a mailbox: Bill

Two of them above a window: Curt 'n Rod

Towed behind a ski boat: Skip



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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Mon Feb 14 2022 03:47 pm

And what is it now? It is just over $3 here. I suspect you all have some extra taxes applied to your per gallon cost (although KY has quite a few).

I'm not the person you were replying to, but where I am (Oregon), gas is around $3.70 to $4.15 per gallon.

jesus christ. fuck that. why did people vote for biden.
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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dumas Walker to MATTHEW MUNSON on Mon Feb 14 2022 16:02:00

And what is it now? It is just over $3 here. I suspect you all have some

Here in Italy we can only dream of those prices LOL I pay $7.347 per gallon... (EUR 1.70 per liter).

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Mon Feb 14 2022 03:47 pm

And what is it now? It is just over $3 here. I suspect you all have some extra taxes applied to your per gallon cost (although KY has quite a few).

I'm not the person you were replying to, but where I am (Oregon), gas is around $3.70 to $4.15 per gallon.

jesus christ. fuck that. why did people vote for biden.

I just paid $4.64 a gallon and that had my .5 cent per gallon savings. Of course we have all the CA. Taxes on fuel and Cap & Trade crap.... FJB!!


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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: MRO to SYS64738 on Mon Feb 14 2022 17:53:58

i have a little car for gas milegage. i went on the road when it was snowing and did a fucking 360 spin on the highway.

I did that once in a friend's car. He had a small, barely more than a go-cart, grey something. We called it the "BB". Four bald tires, but it was paid off. Took a right at an intersection on a wet road and full 360...actually, it was more of a 540 because when we stopped we were facing in the direction we came from.

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It was like 2.89 in California just before Biden was installed after
the coup.

And what is it now? It is just over $3 here. I suspect you all have some extra taxes applied to your per gallon cost (although KY has quite a few)

I'm not the person you were replying to, but where I am (Oregon), gas is aroun
$3.70 to $4.15 per gallon.

I am guessing it is always more expensive on the West Coast than here.


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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Andrew Brook to Dumas Walker on Tue Feb 15 2022 11:04 am

Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dumas Walker to MATTHEW MUNSON on Mon Feb 14 2022 16:02:00

And what is it now? It is just over $3 here. I suspect you all have some

Here in Italy we can only dream of those prices LOL I pay $7.347 per gallon... (EUR 1.70 per liter).

that's insane. no wonder people ride bicycles.
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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Thumper to MRO on Tue Feb 15 2022 08:50 am

MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-

Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Mon Feb 14 2022 03:47 pm

And what is it now? It is just over $3 here. I suspect you all have some extra taxes applied to your per gallon cost (although KY has quite a few).

I'm not the person you were replying to, but where I am (Oregon), gas is around $3.70 to $4.15 per gallon.

jesus christ. fuck that. why did people vote for biden.

I just paid $4.64 a gallon and that had my .5 cent per gallon savings. Of course we have all the CA. Taxes on fuel and Cap & Trade crap.... FJB!!

looks like over here in milwaukee wi it's 3.09 but i paid 3.15 2 days ago.
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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: SYS64738 to MRO on Tue Feb 15 2022 10:59 am

Re: Re: Things I miss
By: MRO to SYS64738 on Mon Feb 14 2022 17:53:58

i have a little car for gas milegage. i went on the road when it was snowing and did a fucking 360 spin on the highway.

I did that once in a friend's car. He had a small, barely more than a go-cart, grey something. We called it the "BB". Four bald tires, but it was paid off. Took a right at an intersection on a wet road and full 360...actually, it was more of a 540 because when we stopped we were facing in the direction we came from.

i probably need 3 new tires, but my kia forte is so fucking light it wouldnt matter. i avoid snow at all costs with that car. great non winter car, though.
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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: MRO to Thumper on Tue Feb 15 2022 06:18 pm

looks like over here in milwaukee wi it's 3.09 but i paid 3.15 2 days ago.

A Kia in Milwaukee? That's brave.


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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Andre to MRO on Tue Feb 15 2022 09:04 pm

Re: Re: Things I miss
By: MRO to Thumper on Tue Feb 15 2022 06:18 pm

looks like over here in milwaukee wi it's 3.09 but i paid 3.15 2 days ago.

A Kia in Milwaukee? That's brave.

they tried to steal it twice but they cant.
i locked the wheel. they broke all the switches and ripped open everything and fucked it up. and it snowed and rained all night.

2nd time someone walked up in broad daylight and used a screwdriver to pry the window open. the glass shot in their face and they ran.

2nd time i had a club that goes on the pedal and wheel.
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I just paid $4.64 a gallon and that had my .5 cent per gallon savings. Of course we have all the CA. Taxes on fuel and Cap & Trade crap.... FJB!!

In Lancashire it's 1.50 (pounds) a litre. So, that's 5.67 (pounds) a gallon.

So, in dollars that's... $7.69 a gallon.


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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Andrew Brook to Dumas Walker on Tue Feb 15 2022 11:04 am

Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dumas Walker to MATTHEW MUNSON on Mon Feb 14 2022 16:02:00

And what is it now? It is just over $3 here. I suspect you all have som

Here in Italy we can only dream of those prices LOL I pay $7.347 per gallon. (EUR 1.70 per liter).

Ouch, in Australia we are paying $1.80 AUD per litre, that is what, 1 Euro? Approx?

We have to drive a lot more though. Commutes in Australia are long.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: the doctor to THUMPER on Wed Feb 16 2022 09:38 am

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I just paid $4.64 a gallon and that had my .5 cent per gallon savings. Of course we have all the CA. Taxes on fuel and Cap & Trade crap.... FJB!!

In Lancashire it's 1.50 (pounds) a litre. So, that's 5.67 (pounds) a gallon.

So, in dollars that's... $7.69 a gallon.

it should be cheap over there. dont you guys get oil from norway?
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Ouch, in Australia we are paying $1.80 AUD per litre, that is what, 1 Euro? Approx?

We have to drive a lot more though. Commutes in Australia are long.

Didn't GM make a solar powered car that went across Austrailia?

Too many people would take that success as "See, you all can do that too."


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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dr. What to Boraxman on Wed Feb 16 2022 09:01 am

We have to drive a lot more though. Commutes in Australia are long.

Didn't GM make a solar powered car that went across Austrailia?

Too many people would take that success as "See, you all can do that too."

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Boraxman to Andrew Brook on Wed Feb 16 2022 06:30 pm

Ouch, in Australia we are paying $1.80 AUD per litre, that is what, 1 Euro? Approx?

We have to drive a lot more though. Commutes in Australia are long.

I imagine hybrids & diesels are popular in Australia?

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--- THUMPER wrote ---

I just paid $4.64 a gallon and that had my .5 cent per gallon savings. Of course we have all the CA. Taxes on fuel and Cap & Trade crap.... FJB!!

In Lancashire it's 1.50 (pounds) a litre. So, that's 5.67 (pounds) a gallon.

So, in dollars that's... $7.69 a gallon.

YIKES!! Wouldn't be driving my Chevy 4WD at those prices! Hell.... I don't drive it much as it is with our prices. Stick to my 2006 Scion xA at 39 or so MPG or my 2010 Camaro at 32 or so MPG.... I think the 4WD gets 10-12 maybe....


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jesus christ. fuck that. why did people vote for biden.

Because he didn't make their feelwings hurt.


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YIKES!! Wouldn't be driving my Chevy 4WD at those prices! Hell.... I
don't
drive it much as it is with our prices. Stick to my 2006 Scion xA at 39 or so
MPG or my 2010 Camaro at 32 or so MPG.... I think the 4WD gets 10-12 maybe....

I'd take the train to work but some idiot ripped it out in the 1970s. Not profitable I suppose. I'm going to start working from home at least one day
a week to save money. As I'm the only IT guy...



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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dr. What to Boraxman on Wed Feb 16 2022 09:01 am

Boraxman wrote to Andrew Brook <=-

Ouch, in Australia we are paying $1.80 AUD per litre, that is what, 1 Euro? Approx?

We have to drive a lot more though. Commutes in Australia are long.

Didn't GM make a solar powered car that went across Austrailia?

Too many people would take that success as "See, you all can do that too."

... How do you keep a turkey in suspense?

Yes, I vaguely remember that. It was barely able to carry one person at moderate speed.

I'm waiting for the Hydrogen fusion cars. One million miles to the gallon.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: MRO to Dr. What on Wed Feb 16 2022 09:12 am

Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dr. What to Boraxman on Wed Feb 16 2022 09:01 am

We have to drive a lot more though. Commutes in Australia are long.

Didn't GM make a solar powered car that went across Austrailia?

Too many people would take that success as "See, you all can do that too.

yeah but the drivable area in australia isnt that big.
i cant get my solar panel to charge my freaking front door camera adequately

You can still drive from top to bottom and left to right. But a lot is just, nothing. A LOT is nothing.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Nightfox to Boraxman on Wed Feb 16 2022 09:25 am

Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Boraxman to Andrew Brook on Wed Feb 16 2022 06:30 pm

Ouch, in Australia we are paying $1.80 AUD per litre, that is what, 1 Euro? Approx?

We have to drive a lot more though. Commutes in Australia are long.

I imagine hybrids & diesels are popular in Australia?

Nightfox

Diesels somewhat, hybrids probably less than elsewhere.

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I'd take the train to work but some idiot ripped it out in the 1970s.
Not profitable I suppose. I'm going to start working from home at
least one day a week to save money. As I'm the only IT guy...

In the San Francisco bay area, the auto and tire manufacturers helped pay
off the local government to rip out train tracks and pave more roads in the post-war period.


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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: SYS64738 to MRO on Mon Feb 14 2022 09:07 am

i have been driving my truck because of the weather. it's costing me a fucking arm and leg to gas up.

I feel your pain. I'm really envying my wife's 4 cylinder.

Is it wrong to say that I simply don't care how much gas costs? Unless we choose to take public transportation we will remain a captive audience to the fuel pump. I've traveled throughout Europe and experienced a per-gallon cost upwards of $6 but their public transportation is far superior to the US. Then again, I was in Boston earlier this month and found their public transportation to be both reasonable priced, comprehensive, and got me where I needed to go.

In other words... meh!

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Feb 14 2022 08:24 pm

I'm not the person you were replying to, but where I am (Oregon), gas is around $3.70 to $4.15 per gallon.

jesus christ. fuck that. why did people vote for biden.

Presidents have no control over the cost of gasoline. It is the oil cartels that drive prices up through the reduction of supply.

Crude Oil Prices - Historical Annual Data

Year Avg$ Open$ High$ Low$ Close$ Change%
2022 $86.24 $76.08 $95.46 $76.08 $90.55 20.40%
2021 $68.17 $47.62 $84.65 $47.62 $75.21 55.01%
2020 $39.68 $61.17 $63.27 $11.26 $48.52 -20.64%
2019 $56.99 $46.31 $66.24 $46.31 $61.14 35.42%
2018 $65.23 $60.37 $77.41 $44.48 $45.15 -25.32%
2017 $50.80 $52.36 $60.46 $42.48 $60.46 12.48%
2016 $43.29 $36.81 $54.01 $26.19 $53.75 44.76%
2015 $48.66 $52.72 $61.36 $34.55 $37.13 -30.53%
2014 $93.17 $95.14 $107.95 $53.45 $53.45 -45.55%
2013 $97.98 $93.14 $110.62 $86.65 $98.17 6.90%
2012 $94.05 $102.96 $109.39 $77.72 $91.83 -7.08%
2011 $94.88 $91.59 $113.39 $75.40 $98.83 8.15%
2010 $79.48 $81.52 $91.48 $64.78 $91.38 15.10%
2009 $61.95 $46.17 $81.03 $34.03 $79.39 78.00%
2008 $99.67 $99.64 $145.31 $30.28 $44.60 -53.52%
2007 $72.34 $60.77 $99.16 $50.51 $95.95 57.68%
2006 $66.05 $63.11 $77.05 $55.90 $60.85 -0.34%
2005 $56.64 $42.16 $69.91 $42.16 $61.06 40.82%
2004 $41.51 $33.71 $56.37 $32.49 $43.36 33.37%
2003 $31.08 $31.97 $37.96 $25.25 $32.51 4.17%
2002 $26.19 $21.13 $32.68 $18.02 $31.21 56.36%
2001 $25.98 $27.29 $32.21 $17.50 $19.96 -25.30%
2000 $30.38 $25.56 $37.22 $23.91 $26.72 3.73%
1999 $19.35 $12.42 $28.03 $11.38 $25.76 112.19%
1998 $14.42 $17.41 $17.93 $10.82 $12.14 -31.22%
1997 $20.61 $25.55 $26.55 $17.60 $17.65 -31.85%
1996 $22.12 $19.83 $26.55 $17.33 $25.90 32.55%
1995 $18.43 $17.45 $20.53 $16.86 $19.54 9.96%
1994 $17.20 $14.52 $20.72 $13.89 $17.77 25.23%
1993 $18.43 $19.03 $21.05 $13.98 $14.19 -27.19%
1992 $20.58 $19.43 $23.03 $17.89 $19.49 1.78%
1991 $21.54 $26.53 $32.25 $17.43 $19.15 -32.76%
1990 $24.53 $22.88 $41.07 $15.43 $28.48 30.40%
1989 $19.64 $17.38 $24.62 $16.99 $21.84 27.57%
1988 $15.97 $17.77 $18.54 $12.58 $17.12 2.27%
1987 $19.20 $18.13 $22.44 $15.12 $16.74 -6.64%


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On 20 Feb 2022, Dream Master said the following...

Presidents have no control over the cost of gasoline. It is the oil cartels that drive prices up through the reduction of supply.

Not true.... This president canceled pipelines and shut down drilling on his first day. The US went from exporting energy to depending on it in one day.

I was watching the news today and the US is 500,000 barrels a day less because of Joe Biden's choices and now he's asking OPEC to crank out more production.

Today's gas prices lay squarely on Joe's feet. If you ask Kamala what the Root causes are she'll tell you the same...

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: SYS64738 to MRO on Mon Feb 14 2022 09:07 am

i have been driving my truck because of the weather. it's costing me a fucking arm and leg to gas up.

I feel your pain. I'm really envying my wife's 4 cylinder.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Feb 14 2022 08:24 pm

I'm not the person you were replying to, but where I am (Oregon), gas is around $3.70 to $4.15 per gallon.

jesus christ. fuck that. why did people vote for biden.

Presidents have no control over the cost of gasoline. It is the oil cartels t

Crude Oil Prices - Historical Annual Data

Year Avg$ Open$ High$ Low$ Close$ Change%
2022 $86.24 $76.08 $95.46 $76.08 $90.55 20.40%
2021 $68.17 $47.62 $84.65 $47.62 $75.21 55.01%
2020 $39.68 $61.17 $63.27 $11.26 $48.52 -20.64%
2019 $56.99 $46.31 $66.24 $46.31 $61.14 35.42%
2018 $65.23 $60.37 $77.41 $44.48 $45.15 -25.32%
2017 $50.80 $52.36 $60.46 $42.48 $60.46 12.48%
2016 $43.29 $36.81 $54.01 $26.19 $53.75 44.76%
2015 $48.66 $52.72 $61.36 $34.55 $37.13 -30.53%
2014 $93.17 $95.14 $107.95 $53.45 $53.45 -45.55%
2013 $97.98 $93.14 $110.62 $86.65 $98.17 6.90%
2012 $94.05 $102.96 $109.39 $77.72 $91.83 -7.08%
2011 $94.88 $91.59 $113.39 $75.40 $98.83 8.15%
2010 $79.48 $81.52 $91.48 $64.78 $91.38 15.10%
2009 $61.95 $46.17 $81.03 $34.03 $79.39 78.00%
2008 $99.67 $99.64 $145.31 $30.28 $44.60 -53.52%
2007 $72.34 $60.77 $99.16 $50.51 $95.95 57.68%
2006 $66.05 $63.11 $77.05 $55.90 $60.85 -0.34%
2005 $56.64 $42.16 $69.91 $42.16 $61.06 40.82%
2004 $41.51 $33.71 $56.37 $32.49 $43.36 33.37%
2003 $31.08 $31.97 $37.96 $25.25 $32.51 4.17%
2002 $26.19 $21.13 $32.68 $18.02 $31.21 56.36%
2001 $25.98 $27.29 $32.21 $17.50 $19.96 -25.30%
2000 $30.38 $25.56 $37.22 $23.91 $26.72 3.73%
1999 $19.35 $12.42 $28.03 $11.38 $25.76 112.19%
1998 $14.42 $17.41 $17.93 $10.82 $12.14 -31.22%
1997 $20.61 $25.55 $26.55 $17.60 $17.65 -31.85%
1996 $22.12 $19.83 $26.55 $17.33 $25.90 32.55%
1995 $18.43 $17.45 $20.53 $16.86 $19.54 9.96%
1994 $17.20 $14.52 $20.72 $13.89 $17.77 25.23%
1993 $18.43 $19.03 $21.05 $13.98 $14.19 -27.19%
1992 $20.58 $19.43 $23.03 $17.89 $19.49 1.78%
1991 $21.54 $26.53 $32.25 $17.43 $19.15 -32.76%
1990 $24.53 $22.88 $41.07 $15.43 $28.48 30.40%
1989 $19.64 $17.38 $24.62 $16.99 $21.84 27.57%
1988 $15.97 $17.77 $18.54 $12.58 $17.12 2.27%
1987 $19.20 $18.13 $22.44 $15.12 $16.74 -6.64%


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On 20 Feb 2022, Dream Master said the following...

Presidents have no control over the cost of gasoline. It is the oil cartels that drive prices up through the reduction of supply.

Not true.... This president canceled pipelines and shut down drilling on his

I was watching the news today and the US is 500,000 barrels a day less because

Today's gas prices lay squarely on Joe's feet. If you ask Kamala what the Roo

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: IB Joe to Dream Master on Sun Feb 20 2022 02:09 pm

Not true.... This president canceled pipelines and shut down drilling on his first day. The US went from exporting energy to depending on it in one day.

True, except for your second statement. Keystone XL was to bring in approximately 830,000 bpd of heavy crude (Reuters, January 22, 2021). At the same time, we were importing 3.8m bpd from Canada, therefore, Keystone XL would have continued the trend of oil imports from Canada that were already being handled through the expansion of other pipelines from Canada to the US. "We will be over-piped assuming the other pipelines go ahead on schedule...you can make the argument KXL was not needed." (Mark Oberstoetter, same article).

Further, clarification of facts. The US imports 5.88 million bpd while exporting 8.5 million bpd to approximately 174 countries and 4 US territories (EIA, September 20, 2021). Therefore, your "facts" are entirely wrong, sorry.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dream Master to ream Master on Sun Feb 20 2022 02:55 pm

Re: Re: Things I miss
By: SYS64738 to MRO on Mon Feb 14 2022 09:07 am

i have been driving my truck because of the weather. it's costing me a fucking arm and leg to gas up.

I feel your pain. I'm really envying my wife's 4 cylinder.

Is it wrong to say that I simply don't care how much gas costs? Unless we choose to take public transportation we will remain

I have no idea what happened here but this is not from me. I'm thinking a bad packet from another system based upon the tagline or something.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dream Master to ream Master on Sun Feb 20 2022 02:55 pm

Re: Re: Things I miss
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Feb 14 2022 08:24 pm

I'm not the person you were replying to, but where I am (Oregon), gas is around $3.70 to $4.15 per gallon.

jesus christ. fuck that. why did people vote for biden.

Presidents have no control over the cost of gasoline. It is the oil cartels t

Crude Oil Prices - Historical Annual Data

Year Avg$ Open$ High$ Low$ Close$ Change%
2022 $86.24 $76.08 $95.46 $76.08 $90.55 20.40%
2021 $68.17 $47.62 $84.65 $47.62 $75.21 55.01%
2020 $39.68 $61.17 $63.27 $11.26 $48.52 -20.64%
2019 $56.99 $46.31 $66.24 $46.31 $61.14 35.42%
2018 $65.23 $60.37 $77.41 $44.48 $45.15 -25.32%
2017 $50.80 $52.36 $60.46 $42.48 $60.46 12.48%
2016 $43.29 $36.81 $54.01 $26.19 $53.75 44.76%
2015 $48.66 $52.72 $61.36 $34.55 $37.13 -30.53%
2014 $93.17 $95.14 $107.95 $53.45 $53.45 -45.55%
2013 $97.98 $93.14 $110.62 $86.65 $98.17 6.90%
2012 $94.05 $102.96 $109.39 $77.72 $91.83 -7.08%
2011 $94.88 $91.59 $113.39 $75.40 $98.83 8.15%
2010 $79.48 $81.52 $91.48 $64.78 $91.38 15.10%
2009 $61.95 $46.17 $81.03 $34.03 $79.39 78.00%
2008 $99.67 $99.64 $145.31 $30.28 $44.60 -53.52%
2007 $72.34 $60.77 $99.16 $50.51 $95.95 57.68%
2006 $66.05 $63.11 $77.05 $55.90 $60.85 -0.34%
2005 $56.64 $42.16 $69.91 $42.16 $61.06 40.82%
2004 $41.51 $33.71 $56.37 $32.49 $43.36 33.37%
2003 $31.08 $31.97 $37.96 $25.25 $32.51 4.17%
2002 $26.19 $21.13 $32.68 $18.02 $31.21 56.36%
2001 $25.98 $27.29 $32.21 $17.50 $19.96 -25.30%
2000 $30.38 $25.56 $37.22 $23.91 $26.72 3.73%
1999 $19.35 $12.42 $28.03 $11.38 $25.76 112.19%
1998 $14.42 $17.41 $17.93 $10.82 $12.14 -31.22%
1997 $20.61 $25.55 $26.55 $17.60 $17.65 -31.85%
1996 $22.12 $19.83 $26.55 $17.33 $25.90 32.55%
1995 $18.43 $17.45 $20.53 $16.86 $19.54 9.96%
1994 $17.20 $14.52 $20.72 $13.89 $17.77 25.23%
1993 $18.43 $19.03 $21.05 $13.98 $14.19 -27.19%
1992 $20.58 $19.43 $23.03 $17.89 $19.49 1.78%
1991 $21.54 $26.53 $32.25 $17.43 $19.15 -32.76%
1990 $24.53 $22.88 $41.07 $15.43 $28.48 30.40%
1989 $19.64 $17.38 $24.62 $16.99 $21.84 27.57%
1988 $15.97 $17.77 $18.54 $12.58 $17.12 2.27%
1987 $19.20 $18.13 $22.44 $15.12 $16.74 -6.64%

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Same as before. I think someone has stuff incorrectly configured.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dream Master to SYS64738 on Sun Feb 20 2022 10:26 am

Re: Re: Things I miss
By: SYS64738 to MRO on Mon Feb 14 2022 09:07 am

i have been driving my truck because of the weather. it's costing me a fucking arm and leg to gas up.

I feel your pain. I'm really envying my wife's 4 cylinder.

Is it wrong to say that I simply don't care how much gas costs? Unless we c
public transportation is far superior to the US. Then again, I was in Bost

In other words... meh!

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We all don't live in a city where there is public transit, or need to go
places where public transit will not take us. I live 7 miles out of town in the township, and once upon a time there was a train line that ran 3 miles away, but that disappeared nearly 100 years ago. The other issue is major cities are too far apart. If travel time was less than 2 hours between major cities, commuter trains may be more popular.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dream Master to All on Sun Feb 20 2022 07:38 pm

I have no idea what happened here but this is not from me. I'm thinking a bad packet from another system based upon the tagline or something.

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I have seen umpteen double posts from multiple users after logging in... very strange indeed.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dream Master to ream Master on Sun Feb 20 2022 02:55 pm

Is it wrong to say that I simply don't care how much gas costs? Unless we choose to take public transportation we will remain

Do you have an unlimited supply of money?

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dream Master to SYS64738 on Sun Feb 20 2022 10:26 am

i have been driving my truck because of the weather. it's costing me
a fucking arm and leg to gas up.

I feel your pain. I'm really envying my wife's 4 cylinder.

Is it wrong to say that I simply don't care how much gas costs? Unless we choose to take public transportation we will remain a captive audience to the fuel pump. I've traveled throughout Europe and experienced a per-gallon cost upwards of $6 but their public transportation is far superior to the US. Then again, I was in Boston earlier this month and found their public transportation to be both reasonable priced, comprehensive, and got me where I needed to go.

Do you realize how much time you waste taking public transportation? do you realize it's inconvenient and costly?
Do you realize how many filthy people use it? it's disgusting to ride pubic Trains and Buses, they're usually filthy as hell.
Yes it is toatally wrong for you not to care about the price of gas.
Our ecconomy is largely based on fossil fuels, so why don't you move to Europe if you dont care about fuel prices?




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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dream Master to MRO on Sun Feb 20 2022 10:54 am

I'm not the person you were replying to, but where I am (Oregon),
gas is around $3.70 to $4.15 per gallon.

jesus christ. fuck that. why did people vote for biden.

Presidents have no control over the cost of gasoline. It is the oil cartels that drive prices up through the reduction of supply.

Totally false, Biden and the Democrat's have through their policies directy caused Gas prices to rise dramatically and inflation.
I guess Dream Master fits you because you live in an alternate Dream world thats worlds apart from reality.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Nightfox to Dream Master on Mon Feb 21 2022 06:51 pm

Do you have an unlimited supply of money?

I wish, but no. We are all captive audiences.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Denn to Dream Master on Mon Feb 21 2022 11:24 pm

Do you realize how much time you waste taking public transportation? do you realize it's inconvenient and costly?

That all depends. Let's just say you have an "Express Bus" that takes you from your home to downtown, it is high quality, comfortable, with minimal stops, and costs $200 per month, would you take it? If your answer is no, you are part of the problem. If you calculate the costs of fuel and parking, anything over $200/mo is wasting your money if you choose to not take public transportation.

Do you realize how many filthy people use it? it's disgusting to ride pubic Trains and Buses, they're usually filthy as hell.

Cooties. I get it.

Yes it is toatally wrong for you not to care about the price of gas.

We are all a captive audience when it comes to the cost of fuel. We can sit around, complain about it, blame those who have zero control over how much a gallon costs at the pump, or we can just go on with our day.

Our ecconomy is largely based on fossil fuels, so why don't you move to Europe if you dont care about fuel prices?

100% agree, we are all dependant upon fossil fuels. If it wasn't for those, we wouldn't get deliveries to the stores.

Move to Europe? Where the public transportation system is superior to the US? Wow, great argument. I've considered it in the past. I'll have to avoid the cooties, but that shouldn't be too difficult. In all reality, my choice of where to live is largely based upon a plethora of factors, one of them is not how much a gallon of gasoline costs.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Denn to Dream Master on Mon Feb 21 2022 11:32 pm

Totally false, Biden and the Democrat's have through their policies directy caused Gas prices to rise dramatically and inflation.

Would you be kind enough to cite your sources?

I guess Dream Master fits you because you live in an alternate Dream world thats worlds apart from reality.

My reality is sourced in facts and figures.


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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Denn to Dream Master on Mon Feb 21 2022 11:24 pm

Do you realize how much time you waste taking public transportation? do you realize it's inconvenient and costly?

For some people (those who can't drive for various reasons), public transportation is their only option. I think it's nice to at least have the option available. I don't take public transportation much, but we have a light rail system where I am, and if I'm going to a concert or to an event at our convention center, those are a couple of its stops - I'll often take the light rail to those places so that I don't have to worry about finding a parking space there (which can sometimes be difficult). Those rides are also a particular case where it doesn't take much more time than driving to those places.

As far as the time taken, sometimes I feel like I waste a lot of time in my car stuck in traffic. There are times on the highways here where traffic slows down for no particular reason, or sometimes there's an accident somewhere that backs up traffic for quite a ways. In those cases, I feel like going 10 miles per hour in stop & go traffic on the highway isn't a good use of my time.

Also, costly for whom? If you don't own a car at all, taking public transportation can be less expensive than owning a car and paying for gas, maintenance, car insurance, etc..

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Nightfox to Denn on Tue Feb 22 2022 09:01 am

Also, costly for whom? If you don't own a car at all, taking public transportation can be less expensive than owning a car and paying for gas, maintenance, car insurance, etc..

public transportation is inconvenient, costly to the user and the city and it can be dangerous due to the types of people that use it.

i took public transportation for a while when i had to share a car and it cost me more money and took more time. i was often late to work and i got home an hour later when i lived 15 mins away by car. i took my bike in the summer months and beat the bus every time.

the only good thing is i was the only guy on the bus in the morning. so that was a waste of city money to drive one dude to 1 place with 2 buses.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Denn to Dream Master on Mon Feb 21 2022 11:32 pm

Totally false, Biden and the Democrat's have through their policies directy caused Gas prices to rise dramatically and inflation.

Would you be kind enough to cite your sources?

I'd say a good source would be: Awake and living in today's world, with
eyes open. One needs look no further than pipeline(s) being closed down (causing the loss of jobs), and the "climate change" agenda being forced
down everyone's throats, whether it makes actual sense or not.

I guess Dream Master fits you because you live in an alternate Dream world thats worlds apart from reality.

My reality is sourced in facts and figures.

How about this: Gas prices and inflation in general seems to have
started around January 20, 2021. Fact, or just a coincidence?

You know the answer.


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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Nightfox to Denn on Tue Feb 22 2022 09:01 am

Do you realize how much time you waste taking public transportation? do you realize it's inconvenient and costly?

For some people (those who can't drive for various reasons), public transportation is their only option. I think it's nice to at least have the option available. I don't take public transportation much, but we have a light rail system where I am, and if I'm going to a concert or to an event at our convention center, those are a couple of its stops - I'll often take the light rail to those places so that I don't have to worry about finding a parking space there (which can sometimes be difficult). Those rides are also a particular case where it doesn't take much more time than driving to those places.

It's wonderful to see a logical response to this argument. Public transportation is a necessary evil for some while a pleasant alternative for others. When I worked in downtown Los Angeles and Denver, I would take public transportation in as I loathed sitting in traffic for upwards of an hour each direction. When going to concerts, sporting events, or simply doing something in the "city", I'd also take public transportation. Finding parking in downtown can be hell, paying for it ridiculous, and not having to worry about being too tired to drive, all wins.

As far as the time taken, sometimes I feel like I waste a lot of time in my car stuck in traffic. There are times on the highways here where traffic slows down for no particular reason, or sometimes there's an accident somewhere that backs up traffic for quite a ways. In those cases, I feel like going 10 miles per hour in stop & go traffic on the highway isn't a good use of my time.

I'm up between 5:30 and 6:30am daily. When working in downtown, and if I'd drive, I'd need to be on the road by 6am to be in the office by 7-7:15am. That's an hour of work down the drain, and for what? Again, the drive home being equally long, another hour. From an efficiency perspective, those two additional hours I'm sitting in traffic each day aren't spent working. I prefer working from home, but if I have to take public transportation into downtown, I'm on my computer working.

Also, costly for whom? If you don't own a car at all, taking public transportation can be less expensive than owning a car and paying for gas, maintenance, car insurance, etc..

Exactly. People don't seem to understand the savings by taking public transportation. You're not paying for auto insurance, fuel, upkeep, potentially parking, and if you lease or are making car payments, car payments. A $200 public transportation pass is a hell of a lot cheaper than all those other expenses. Plus, you can write-off the pass.

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Presidents have no control over the cost of gasoline. It is the oil cartels t
t drive prices up through the reduction of supply.

Not entirely true. If their policies lead to hyperinflation, then they
indeed have "controlled" the price of gasoline... and everything else.


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acket from another system based upon the tagline or something.

The Titanic BBS appears to be duplicating messages, and some of the
duplicates are pretty chewed up before they get spit back into the echoes. Would not surprise me if the mangling changes the header info, too.


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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Feb 22 2022 02:58 pm

Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Nightfox to Denn on Tue Feb 22 2022 09:01 am

Also, costly for whom? If you don't own a car at all, taking public transportat
can be less expensive than owning a car and paying for gas, maintenance, car
insurance, etc..

public transportation is inconvenient, costly to the user and the city and it can b
dangerous due to the types of people that use it.

i took public transportation for a while when i had to share a car and it cost me m
money and took more time. i was often late to work and i got home an hour later whe
lived 15 mins away by car. i took my bike in the summer months and beat the bus ev
time.

the only good thing is i was the only guy on the bus in the morning. so that was a
waste of city money to drive one dude to 1 place with 2 buses.

It really depends on the area.

In my city, public transport funded by the administration (ie. taxes) is usually cheap
but also close to useless. It is the sort of public transport which does scheduled
trips which are programmed to arrive to factory X half an hour after the corresponding turn begins :-S

Collective transport funded by private enterprises is a bit better. It is much cheaper
than using a car but coverage is very limited. If you are likely enough to have a
private bus doing a regular line you want to travel, at hours which are fine for you,
it is great. If such coincidence does not happen, you either don't get to use it or
you get to use it at very inconvenient hours.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dream Master to Nightfox on Tue Feb 22 2022 01:45 pm

for others. When I worked in downtown Los Angeles and Denver, I would take public transportation in as I loathed sitting in traffic for upwards of an hour each direction.

You're still in traffic when taking public transportation though.

When going to concerts, sporting events, or simply

doing something in the "city", I'd also take public transportation. Finding parking in downtown can be hell, paying for it ridiculous, and not having to worry about being too tired to drive, all wins.

Yes, as long as I'm not going shopping or anything like that (where I'd be taking things back with me), it's nice to be able to go somewhere and not worry about parking my car - especially in a place where my car might be in danger of getting broken into, etc..

drive, I'd need to be on the road by 6am to be in the office by 7-7:15am. That's an hour of work down the drain, and for what? Again, the drive home being equally long, another hour. From an efficiency perspective, those two additional hours I'm sitting in traffic each day aren't spent working.

Yeah, being in traffic daily definitly feels like time not well spent.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Feb 22 2022 02:58 pm

i took public transportation for a while when i had to share a car and it cost me more money and took more time. i was often late to work and i got home an hour later when i lived 15 mins away by car. i took my bike in the summer months and beat the bus every time.

Public transportation definitely takes more time, which is one of the downsides. But are you saying public transportation also cost you more money than owning a car?

the only good thing is i was the only guy on the bus in the morning. so that was a waste of city money to drive one dude to 1 place with 2 buses.

You can't expect public transportation to be completely full all the time. But I can see what you mean, as it would be expensive for them to drive too few people around.

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I'm up between 5:30 and 6:30am daily. When working in downtown,
and if I'd drive, I'd need to be on the road by 6am to be in the
office by 7-7:15am. That's an hour of work down the drain, and
for what? Again, the drive home being equally long, another
hour. From an efficiency perspective, those two additional hours
I'm sitting in traffic each day aren't spent working. I prefer
working from home, but if I have to take public transportation
into downtown, I'm on my computer working.

Here's some news - not everybody lives in a metropolitan sewer, where
sitting in traffic is a thing. Also, not everybody works on a computer.

Also, costly for whom? If you don't own a car at all, taking public transportation can be less expensive than owning a car and paying for gas, maintenance, car insurance, etc..

Exactly. People don't seem to understand the savings by taking
public transportation. You're not paying for auto insurance,
fuel, upkeep, potentially parking, and if you lease or are making
car payments, car payments. A $200 public transportation pass is
a hell of a lot cheaper than all those other expenses. Plus, you
can write-off the pass.

You also don't have the freedom to move around that a car provides you.
That freedom is worth a LOT more than $200/month.



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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dumas Walker to DREAM MASTER on Tue Feb 22 2022 03:53 pm

Not entirely true. If their policies lead to hyperinflation, then they indeed have "controlled" the price of gasoline... and everything else.

Yes, that is correct. Interesting how "inflation" and record profits are currently in-line with each other.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Arelor to MRO on Tue Feb 22 2022 05:22 pm

and it can b dangerous due to the types of people that use it.

i took public transportation for a while when i had to share a car and it cost me m money and took more time. i was often late to work and i got home an hour later whe lived 15 mins away by car. i took my bike in the summer months and beat the bus ev time.

the only good thing is i was the only guy on the bus in the morning. so that was a waste of city money to drive one dude to 1 place with 2 buses.

It really depends on the area.

In my city, public transport funded by the administration (ie. taxes) is usually cheap but also close to useless. It is the sort of public transport which does scheduled trips which are programmed to arrive to factory X half an hour after the
corresponding turn begins :-S

in my city they had federal and state grant money, taxes AND the people had to pay and they still lost money. i'm sure my city was skimming that money, though.

here is some of the stuff regarding them. https://journaltimes.com/news/local/city-of-racine-moving-forward-with-bus-deal/article_389b7a22-74a5-5028-b75a-570b208d6dc8.html
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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Nightfox to MRO on Tue Feb 22 2022 04:49 pm

Re: Re: Things I miss
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Feb 22 2022 02:58 pm

i took public transportation for a while when i had to share a car and it cost me more money and took more time. i was often late to work and i got home an hour later when i lived 15 mins away by car. i took my bike in the summer months and beat the bus every time.

Public transportation definitely takes more time, which is one of the downsides. But are you saying public transportation also cost you more money than owning a car?

it was certainly close. especially if i did more than just go to work.

no way does public transportation beat having you own vehicle. that's unless you have to pay for storage.

the only good thing is i was the only guy on the bus in the morning. so that was a waste of city money to drive one dude to 1 place with 2 buses.

You can't expect public transportation to be completely full all the time. But I can see what you mean, as it would be expensive for them to drive too few people around.

working people like me were not on the bus in the mornings. and one time i had to go to my job and the bus just sat at a stop. they told me they had to wait there for 20 mins so they could be on time when they met the other buses. i had to get out and walk to take another bus.

fucking bus sucks ass.
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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dream Master to Denn on Tue Feb 22 2022 09:12 am

Do you realize how much time you waste taking public transportation?
do you realize it's inconvenient and costly?

That all depends. Let's just say you have an "Express Bus" that takes you from your home to downtown, it is high quality, comfortable, with minimal stops, and costs $200 per month, would you take it? If your answer is no, you are part of the problem. If you calculate the costs of fuel and

Ok here lies your problem, you lay out a senario that is hypathetical and unfeasable. Then you make a statement that if my answer is no I'm part of the problem making it sound like your conclusion is true when it's (NOT). Fact Most Americans like to come and go as they please, Public transportation is inconvinent costly and the buses and trains I've been on are filthy.
We can get in our cars, go where we want at the time we want. If you like public Transport so much go to California and see what a mess that is.
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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dream Master to Denn on Tue Feb 22 2022 09:13 am

Totally false, Biden and the Democrat's have through their policies
directy caused Gas prices to rise dramatically and inflation.

Would you be kind enough to cite your sources?

You first. <<

Pull your head out and look around, Gas in my area is up over $1.50 more per gallon from 1 year ago, things I buy at the store are higher, we used to catch T-bone steaks on sale two nice steaks for about 12-13 dollars, now over $30 on sale.
My source is everywhere you look prices are skyrocketing.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Nightfox to Denn on Tue Feb 22 2022 09:01 am

Do you realize how much time you waste taking public transportation?
do you realize it's inconvenient and costly?

For some people (those who can't drive for various reasons), public transportation is their only option. I think it's nice to at least have the option available. I don't take public transportation much, but we have a light rail system where I am, and if I'm going to a concert or to an event at our convention center, those are a couple of its stops - I'll often take the light rail to those places so that I don't have to worry about finding a parking space there (which can sometimes be difficult). Those rides are also a particular case where it doesn't take much more time than driving to those places.

And that's fine, but Dream Master apparently want's everyone to ride public transport.
For most people we like to come and go as we please.
We don't care much for people that try to shame us into riding public transportation.
I own two cars and I'm proud of it :)

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Gamgee to Dream Master on Tue Feb 22 2022 02:57 pm

Totally false, Biden and the Democrat's have through their policies
directy caused Gas prices to rise dramatically and inflation.

Would you be kind enough to cite your sources?

I'd say a good source would be: Awake and living in today's world, with eyes open. One needs look no further than pipeline(s) being closed down (causing the loss of jobs), and the "climate change" agenda being forced down everyone's throats, whether it makes actual sense or not.

I guess Dream Master is intellectually blind.

I guess Dream Master fits you because you live in an alternate
Dream world thats worlds apart from reality.

My reality is sourced in facts and figures.

No, Sourced in fantasy and hatred of Donald J. Trump.

How about this: Gas prices and inflation in general seems to have
started around January 20, 2021. Fact, or just a coincidence?

Watch, He'll try to blame it on Trump.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Gamgee to Dream Master on Tue Feb 22 2022 06:42 pm

I'm up between 5:30 and 6:30am daily. When working in downtown,
and if I'd drive, I'd need to be on the road by 6am to be in the
office by 7-7:15am. That's an hour of work down the drain, and

Here's some news - not everybody lives in a metropolitan sewer, where sitting in traffic is a thing. Also, not everybody works on a computer.

Also, costly for whom? If you don't own a car at all, taking public
transportation can be less expensive than owning a car and paying
for gas, maintenance, car insurance, etc..

Exactly. People don't seem to understand the savings by taking
public transportation. You're not paying for auto insurance,
fuel, upkeep, potentially parking, and if you lease or are making
car payments, car payments. A $200 public transportation pass is
a hell of a lot cheaper than all those other expenses. Plus, you
can write-off the pass.

You also don't have the freedom to move around that a car provides you. That freedom is worth a LOT more than $200/month.

I would rather pay the price to own a car and have the freedom a car gives me.
You can't really go grocery shopping using public transportation.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Nightfox to Denn on Tue Feb 22 2022 09:01 am

public transportation is inconvenient, costly to the user and the city and it can be dangerous due to the types of people that use it.

My favourite guy was on the X43 to Manchester.

"Hey man, I've had my bags stolen. See my wife and kids over there!" Points to empty space outside the bus. "I've got to get some money cause crackheads stole our suitcases."

"Dude, you're the crackhead, aren't you?"

"Oh yeah man... got any crack..."

And so on. I just don't go to Manchester if I can avoid it.


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Exactly. People don't seem to understand the savings by taking
public transportation. You're not paying for auto insurance,
fuel, upkeep, potentially parking, and if you lease or are making
car payments, car payments. A $200 public transportation pass is
a hell of a lot cheaper than all those other expenses. Plus, you
can write-off the pass.

How long is that $200 pass good for?


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And so on. I just don't go to Manchester if I can avoid it.

In which state/country is this Manchester? I have been back and forth
through a Manchester in Ohio. They don't appear to have public transport,
but they probably do have plenty of crack/meth heads.


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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dumas Walker to THE DOCTOR on Wed Feb 23 2022 04:18 pm

In which state/country is this Manchester? I have been back and forth through a Manchester in Ohio. They don't appear to have public transport, but they probably do have plenty of crack/meth heads.

Northern England. X43 would be like those big coach buses you can take between nearby major cities in the US.


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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dumas Walker to DREAM MASTER on Wed Feb 23 2022 04:16 pm

Exactly. People don't seem to understand the savings by taking
public transportation. You're not paying for auto insurance,
fuel, upkeep, potentially parking, and if you lease or are making
car payments, car payments. A $200 public transportation pass is
a hell of a lot cheaper than all those other expenses. Plus, you
can write-off the pass.

How long is that $200 pass good for?

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My boss used to give me a bus pass worth 100 euros which lasted 3 months or until you used up 15 trips. It was for intercity trips only. THey had a nice movie catalog in that bus line and internet was included, so you could do a lot of work or moviewatching during the trip.

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In which state/country is this Manchester? I have been back and forth through a Manchester in Ohio. They don't appear to have public
transport, but they probably do have plenty of crack/meth heads.

Sorry, Manchester England...


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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: the doctor to DUMAS WALKER on Thu Feb 24 2022 10:22 am

Sorry, Manchester England...

I was going to say that you shouldn't apologize for someone confusing a large city for a town with about two street lights and a gas station.

But then I remembered... British. :)


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Sorry, Manchester England...

I was going to say that you shouldn't apologize for someone confusing a large city for a town with about two street lights and a gas station.

But then I remembered... British. :)

Heh. I'm actually an American, but I've lived in the UK for about 21 years now...

I'm addicted to my socialist healthcare now, so I'm staying.



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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Arelor to MRO on Tue Feb 22 2022 05:22 pm

Re: Re: Things I miss
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Feb 22 2022 02:58 pm

Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Nightfox to Denn on Tue Feb 22 2022 09:01 am

Also, costly for whom? If you don't own a car at all, taking public t can be less expensive than owning a car and paying for gas, maintenanc insurance, etc..

public transportation is inconvenient, costly to the user and the city an dangerous due to the types of people that use it.

i took public transportation for a while when i had to share a car and it money and took more time. i was often late to work and i got home an hour lived 15 mins away by car. i took my bike in the summer months and beat time.

the only good thing is i was the only guy on the bus in the morning. so t waste of city money to drive one dude to 1 place with 2 buses.

It really depends on the area.

In my city, public transport funded by the administration (ie. taxes) is usu but also close to useless. It is the sort of public transport which does sch trips which are programmed to arrive to factory X half an hour after the corresponding turn begins :-S

Collective transport funded by private enterprises is a bit better. It is mu than using a car but coverage is very limited. If you are likely enough to h private bus doing a regular line you want to travel, at hours which are fine it is great. If such coincidence does not happen, you either don't get to us you get to use it at very inconvenient hours.

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Closest thing to public transportation is Dial a Ride. It is funded by passengers and state grants and millages. there is a fixed route and demand response service. Demand response is more expensive. Either way, you're at the mercy of when the bus shows up or how much they have to deviate off the fixed route to fulfill demand response. DART covers two townships, so you better be prepared to take the scenic route and lots of time to spare for travel. For example, if i wanted to go to the store, I would have to call
the central hub, and let them know where I live. They will give me an
estimate of what time a bus may be diverted to my area. Once finished
shopping, I will have to wait outside the store for the bus heading back
close to my home to come back through. Buses only run 7am to 5 pm M-F. Saturdays are 10am to 3pm. That's demand response. Fixed route is only M-F 10am -5pm.

No Sundays, no major holidays. If you're sick or
appear to be sick with something contageous, forget that ride to the walk-in clinic.

Asuming I worked within the bus route's boundaries. there would be no way for me to fit most companies work shifts within their running hours including
a deviated route schedule. Overtime is out of the question.

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In which state/country is this Manchester? I have been back and forth through a Manchester in Ohio. They don't appear to have public transport, but they probably do have plenty of crack/meth heads.

Northern England. X43 would be like those big coach buses you can take between >earby major cities in the US.

I figured it was but wanted to be sure there was not some other Manchester
here that I needed to avoid at night! :)


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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Moondog to Arelor on Thu Feb 24 2022 12:42 pm

Closest thing to public transportation is Dial a Ride. It is funded by passengers and state grants and millages. there is a fixed route and demand response service. Demand response is more expensive. Either way, you're at the mercy of when the bus shows up or how much they have to deviate off the fixed route to fulfill demand response. DART covers two townships, so you better be prepared to take the scenic route and lots of time to spare for travel. For example, if i wanted to go to the store, I would have to call the central hub, and let them know where I live. They will give me an estimate of what time a bus may be diverted to my area. Once finished shopping, I will have to wait outside the store for the bus heading back close to my home to come back through. Buses only run 7am to 5 pm M-F. Saturdays are 10am to 3pm. That's demand response. Fixed route is only M-F

we had something like that in my home city when they drastically cut the bus service. it fell apart.

stuff like this is why ridesharing services thrive.
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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dumas Walker to DREAM MASTER on Wed Feb 23 2022 04:16 pm

How long is that $200 pass good for?

Here, in Colorado, one month.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dream Master to Dumas Walker on Fri Feb 25 2022 12:09 am

How long is that $200 pass good for?

Here, in Colorado, one month.

If you can do without a car, then depending on your situation, $200 per month for a public transit pass may be less expensive than car insurance, gas, perhaps a car loan if you have a loan, etc.. And without a car, you don't have to worry about the cost of maintenance and repairs.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dumas Walker to DREAM MASTER on Wed Feb 23 2022 04:16 pm

How long is that $200 pass good for?

Here, in Colorado, one month.

That is about the same as upkeep on my vehicle, at least until Biden got elected and gas went back up to Obama-era prices.


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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Nightfox to Dream Master on Fri Feb 25 2022 09:17 am

Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dream Master to Dumas Walker on Fri Feb 25 2022 12:09 am

How long is that $200 pass good for?

Here, in Colorado, one month.

If you can do without a car, then depending on your situation, $200 per mont for a public transit pass may be less expensive than car insurance, gas, perhaps a car loan if you have a loan, etc.. And without a car, you don't h to worry about the cost of maintenance and repairs.

Nightfox

I feel like some sort of Armchair Macho saying this, but if you live in a middle sized town you don't need any transport but a good pair of boots. As long as you are young and have time to spare :-)

They used to run the numbers every now and then in journals and documentaries around here, and collective transport (buses, metros and such) are more cost effective than your regular car, but more modest means of private transport (such as motorbikes or budget cars) were even cheaper.

My main gripe with collective transport is that the administration is trying to push it very hard, but they don't have an actual plan. The proper way of having people use collective transport would be to make collective transport so damn good that you would not need private transport at all - this is, you would not bother getting a car because you know you can use a bus instead and get all the transport you need for little buck. However, the administrations here are doing it the other way around: they attempt to make it harder for you to use your own transportation, in the hope that you will give up and send your car to the scrap yard, but they don't offer you an alternative. Which means, they may force Francisco to give his car up because he can no longer pay the asociated taxes, but then Francisco is given no means for travelling between his village and the cattle market office for work. What the government does is to give you a bus that passes-by every 4 days at the 20:00 and tells you to be a good citizen and use that instead of your car.

I am undescribably bummed by this because there is talk here about increasing the costs of private intercity transport by billing tolls each time you go in or out of a small to middle-sized town. If you don't want to pay the toll you are supposed to get an inoperative collective transport instead, which obviously won¨'t cut it. Lots of small parcel delivery tasks would be overburdened: if you have a small company delivering packages to nearby villages from a city, they will bleed you dry each time your van goes in and out. As you may guess, the end result is that Grannie Antonieta, the end consumer, is going to be the one paying the price in the end, because distribution companies are just going to add the tax costs to the prices of final products.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Nightfox to Dream Master on Fri Feb 25 2022 09:17 am

Here, in Colorado, one month.

If you can do without a car, then depending on your situation, $200 per month for a public transit pass may be less expensive than car insurance, gas, perhaps a car loan if you have a loan, etc.. And without a car, you don't have to worry about the cost of maintenance and repairs.

Prior to COVID, my company provided $80 towards the pass, costing me $120/mo. The savings and overall reduction in frustration was well worth. At the time, I had car payments, but not paying for parking, etc., was well worth it.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dumas Walker to DREAM MASTER on Fri Feb 25 2022 03:33 pm

How long is that $200 pass good for?

Here, in Colorado, one month.

That is about the same as upkeep on my vehicle, at least until Biden got elected and gas went back up to Obama-era prices.

Obama-era? I remember when gas got above $4.00 a gallon (and trending toward $5) in 2008, when George W Bush was still president.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dream Master to Dumas Walker on Fri Feb 25 2022 12:09 am

How long is that $200 pass good for?

Here, in Colorado, one month.

If you can do without a car, then depending on your situation,
$200 per month for a public transit pass may be less expensive
than car insurance, gas, perhaps a car loan if you have a loan,
etc.. And without a car, you don't have to worry about the cost
of maintenance and repairs.

Sure, it's very likely the cheaper option, but you give up the freedom
(and the convenience) that a car provides. EASILY worth the extra cost,
to me.



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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Dumas Walker to DREAM MASTER on Fri Feb 25 2022 03:33 pm

Here, in Colorado, one month.

That is about the same as upkeep on my vehicle, at least until Biden got elected and gas went back up to Obama-era prices.

Since I work from home, we can't count me. My wife babysits our grandchildren at our daughter's house, one of our vehicles needs to be filled up about once a week ($65/week). My other daughter steals my car when she goes to work, requiring a fill-up about once every week and a half ($55/10 days). Between these two, $400ish a month.

I've been going back and forth on replacing my car with a new Ford Expedition Platinum Max (love the room and comfort, the tech is okay, good power). After renting one in Southern California and Boston, I discovered it gets worse gas mileage than most V8s (RAM 1500, for example). I'm torn. Plus, do I really want my daughter driving my newest vehicle? ;)

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Fri Feb 25 2022 06:48 pm

$200 per month for a public transit pass may be less expensive
than car insurance, gas, perhaps a car loan if you have a loan,
etc.. And without a car, you don't have to worry about the cost
of maintenance and repairs.

Sure, it's very likely the cheaper option, but you give up the freedom (and the convenience) that a car provides. EASILY worth the extra cost,
to me.

Yeah. I like the freedom and convenience of having a car and normally would want to take public transit only if I had a good reason to.

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Here, in Colorado, one month.

That is about the same as upkeep on my vehicle, at least until Biden got elected and gas went back up to Obama-era prices.

Obama-era? I remember when gas got above $4.00 a gallon (and trending toward ) in 2008, when George W Bush was still president.

For whatever reason, they didn't get that high here.


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That is about the same as upkeep on my vehicle, at least until Biden got elected and gas went back up to Obama-era prices.

Since I work from home, we can't count me. My wife babysits our grandchildren
t our daughter's house, one of our vehicles needs to be filled up about once a
eek ($65/week). My other daughter steals my car when she goes to work, requir
g a fill-up about once every week and a half ($55/10 days). Between these two
$400ish a month.

I've been going back and forth on replacing my car with a new Ford Expedition atinum Max (love the room and comfort, the tech is okay, good power). After r
ting one in Southern California and Boston, I discovered it gets worse gas mil
ge than most V8s (RAM 1500, for example). I'm torn. Plus, do I really want m
daughter driving my newest vehicle? ;)

I also work from home 4 days a week currently. Work is roughly a 10-mile roundtrip. The difference may be that I don't buy SUVs or big trucks. :)
I know some people, for whatever reason, do need them but I don't have a
big family or reason to haul a lot of people/stuff around so I usually
don't.

There are some places I go when I am on vacation where it would be nice to
at least have a car with AWD and/or better ground clearance, though!


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If you can do without a car, then depending on your situation, $200 per month for a public transit pass may be less expensive than car
insurance, gas, perhaps a car loan if you have a loan, etc.. And
without a car, you don't have to worry about the cost of maintenance
and repairs.

If you're in a big city, add in the cost of parking tickets. When I was in college in San Francisco without a parking space, tickets may have been my biggest expense.

This was before smart phones and calendars that could tell you if it was the first or third Friday of the month when looking at the street cleaning
signs.


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Nightfox wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

That is about the same as upkeep on my vehicle, at least until Biden got elected and gas went back up to Obama-era prices.

Obama-era? I remember when gas got above $4.00 a gallon (and trending toward $5) in 2008, when George W Bush was still president.

This is the debate echo, not the FACTS echo.


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Dream Master wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

Since I work from home, we can't count me. My wife babysits our grandchildren at our daughter's house, one of our vehicles needs to be filled up about once a week ($65/week). My other daughter steals my
car when she goes to work, requiring a fill-up about once every week
and a half ($55/10 days). Between these two, $400ish a month.

I work mostly from home nowadays (only go into the office to babysit a
handful of servers) and drive a Prius Plug-in from 2014. 10 miles of
electric range and a blended 55 mpg means I fill up once every 2 weeks or
so. about $40 each time. :)

I'm looking for something new, but the MPG keeps me driving it. I hate the
new Priuses.


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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sat Feb 26 2022 07:05 am

This is the debate echo, not the FACTS echo.

Everyone thinks they've got the facts. I did a search in here and General the other day for the word "fact." Sure had a lot of hits.


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Hello Arelor!

** On Friday 25.02.22 - 17:34, Arelor wrote to Nightfox:

[...] but then Francisco is given no means for travelling
between his village and the cattle market office for work.
What the government does is to give you a bus that passes-
by every 4 days at the 20:00 and tells you to be a good
citizen and use that instead of your car.

I am undescribably bummed by this because there is talk
here about increasing the costs of private intercity
transport by billing tolls each time you go in or out of a
small to middle-sized town. [...]

Isn't that nightmare and the stupidity of that approach being
debated in your parliament?


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Re: Things I miss
By: Ogg to Arelor on Sun Feb 27 2022 11:14 am

Hello Arelor!

** On Friday 25.02.22 - 17:34, Arelor wrote to Nightfox:

[...] but then Francisco is given no means for travelling
between his village and the cattle market office for work.
What the government does is to give you a bus that passes-
by every 4 days at the 20:00 and tells you to be a good
citizen and use that instead of your car.

I am undescribably bummed by this because there is talk
here about increasing the costs of private intercity
transport by billing tolls each time you go in or out of a
small to middle-sized town. [...]

Isn't that nightmare and the stupidity of that approach being
debated in your parliament?

They debate everything, and they always take the worst decision possible.

I wish I was looking the trainwreck from outside. Then I could have popcorn watching a moronic country self-destruct.


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Re: Things I miss
By: Ogg to Arelor on Sun Feb 27 2022 11:14 am

Isn't that nightmare and the stupidity of that approach being
debated in your parliament?

Besides, it is not a reality yet, but a clearly estated intention. MOst likely they will start soft-removing (aka taxing to death) vehicles they dislike and then proceed down on the rest of vehicles until regular people cannot use a vehicle for personal use anymore. The transition is a decade long plan.

They started a year ago or so by impossing impossible speed limits and removing parking areas in the cities who are on board with the idea, as to make it impractical to use a car in them. Some cities have gone bonkers, turning some vital roads into single lane avenues so traffic is deadly slow and a car is no use.

The fun part is most people I know are not on board with the idea. So much for democracy and rules doing what the people tells them to do.


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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sat Feb 26 2022 07:03 am

If you can do without a car, then depending on your situation, $200
per month for a public transit pass may be less expensive than car
insurance, gas, perhaps a car loan if you have a loan, etc.. And
without a car, you don't have to worry about the cost of maintenance
and repairs.

If you're in a big city, add in the cost of parking tickets. When I was in college in San Francisco without a parking space, tickets may have been my biggest expense.

This was before smart phones and calendars that could tell you if it was the first or third Friday of the month when looking at the street cleaning signs.

Yep, parking tickets are another factor.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sat Feb 26 2022 07:05 am

That is about the same as upkeep on my vehicle, at least until Biden
got elected and gas went back up to Obama-era prices.

Obama-era? I remember when gas got above $4.00 a gallon (and
trending toward $5) in 2008, when George W Bush was still president.

This is the debate echo, not the FACTS echo.

REALLY? Facts can be debated you know.
Are you people just trying to run conservatives out of any and all forms of media?
It's like you think only socialist's can say anything.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dream Master on Sat Feb 26 2022 07:08 am

Since I work from home, we can't count me. My wife babysits our
grandchildren at our daughter's house, one of our vehicles needs to
be filled up about once a week ($65/week). My other daughter steals
my car when she goes to work, requiring a fill-up about once every
week and a half ($55/10 days). Between these two, $400ish a month.

I work mostly from home nowadays (only go into the office to babysit a handful of servers) and drive a Prius Plug-in from 2014. 10 miles of electric range and a blended 55 mpg means I fill up once every 2 weeks or so. about $40 each time. :)

I'm looking for something new, but the MPG keeps me driving it. I hate the new Priuses.

I drive a 2017 nissan versa sedan good old 100% reliable gas engine, I get 39 to 43 MPG and don't ever need to plug it in.
about $35 to fill it up every other week.

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Denn wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

REALLY? Facts can be debated you know.

Are you people just trying to run conservatives out of any and all
forms of media?

It's like you think only socialist's can say anything.

Wow. Just... wow.


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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Denn on Mon Feb 28 2022 06:12 am

REALLY? Facts can be debated you know.

Are you people just trying to run conservatives out of any and all
forms of media?

It's like you think only socialist's can say anything.

Wow. Just... wow.

and the sad part is that what I said is true.

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Re: Re: Things I miss
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Denn on Mon Feb 28 2022 06:12 am

Denn wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

REALLY? Facts can be debated you know.

Are you people just trying to run conservatives out of any and all
forms of media?

It's like you think only socialist's can say anything.

I think anyone will say anything pushed enough and often enough. I think it's just human nature. Along the way people put labels on things. It had to be better just to see things as it were then defining anything.
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