he posts can do it, others that dont, dont.
.CAN?
Is this an individual option to block peoples posts? First I'm hearing of this.
He wasn't liked by Democrats and didn't "suck up" to them. BTW. Mr.
Trump was aquitted yet again of impeachment. You can't keep a good man down.
"Teflon Don" strikes again.
I think the "financial decisions" part is what some fail to
grasp. Those that don't want to make any sacrifices are not
going to be able to retire in their 50s/60s.
Indeed. I'm afraid many of the recent generation (or two) will be in
for a rude awakening when they reach middle age. Lack of prior planning
will be a huge problem for many of them.
Dumas Walker wrote to ARELOR <=-
Something folks who push degrees, and some form of collective/socialist/whatever-you-want-to-call-it utopia don't seem to understand that there are a lot of jobs that "need doing" that don't require a degree.
I don't care if you are in the "evil" western capitalist society or in
the utopia they think is possible, your society will NOT WORK if there
are not folks willing to do what needs doing and not seeing those jobs
as "beneath them."
I believe the only way you get there is not by pushing kids towards impractical degrees but instead teaching them to be happy as
themselves.
IMHO, filling their heads full of crap, and keeping their pockets empty the rest of their lives, is much meaner than telling them "no" up
front.
Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-
I think the "financial decisions" part is what some fail to grasp.
Those that don't want to make any sacrifices are not going to be able
to retire in their 50s/60s.
Gamgee wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
Exactly. Living beyond your means (which for the Dems and millenials
in the crowd means having excessive debt) means a delayed retirement
until that debt can be paid back. It's really quite simple actually.
Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-
I don't agree with their fix... throw more good money after bad...
though. I think the fix is to stop throwing any more money at it and changing how things are done to make it more difficult to build that
debt to begin with.
The Elites look upon those non-degree jobs with scorn because they are "beneath" them. In reality those kinds of jobs require skill and knowledge and are completely beyond the ability of the Elites to do. But Elites **need** to believe that they are better.
I believe the only way you get there is not by pushing kids towards
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I think the "financial decisions" part is what some fail to
grasp. Those that don't want to make any sacrifices are not
going to be able to retire in their 50s/60s.
Indeed. I'm afraid many of the recent generation (or two) will be in
for a rude awakening when they reach middle age. Lack of prior planning will be a huge problem for many of them.
One thing I cannot fully disagree with Democrats/the left on is that
the lack of proper, prior planning by previous generations, like their parents or those who threw money at them when they were "earning" a useless degree and building crushing debts, is eventually going to come back and bite those future adults who had no hand in those prior decisions.
I don't agree with their fix... throw more good money after bad...
though. I think the fix is to stop throwing any more money at it and changing how things are done to make it more difficult to build that
debt to begin with.
"Free college," unless that involves forcing students to get practical educations and changing the limits based on work force demand, is not
the way to fix it.
Dr. What wrote to Gamgee <=-
Exactly. Living beyond your means (which for the Dems and millenials
in the crowd means having excessive debt) means a delayed retirement
until that debt can be paid back. It's really quite simple actually.
It means being very dependant on the gov't handouts when you are
in retirement. It's all part of the Plantation scheme that the
Dems have to create large groups of people who will ALWAYS vote
Democrat to keep their handouts coming.
Oh, no. They are quite well aware of that. But convincing people that degrees are "needed" they:
1. Funnel lots of money into colleges, that are cesspools of useless Lefties 2. Puts kids/parents into debt, which makes them more dependant on the gov't handouts.
3. Puts more kids into the Leftie indocrination centers that many of our universities have become.
The Elites look upon those non-degree jobs with scorn because they are "beneath" them. In reality those kinds of jobs require skill and knowledge and are completely beyond the ability of the Elites to do. But Elites **need** to believe that they are better.
Mike Rowe Works Foundation.
But that's what the Lefties want: People as useless as themselves, but think that they are better than the people who actually **DO** something. And feeling mad because the local plumber is making better money than they do.
Even 30-40 years ago, financial planning was NOT something that was commonly taught in the schools. Luckily, my parents did a good job of that with me.
But I know that today, such education is not commonplace at all.
It means being very dependant on the gov't handouts when you are in retirement. It's all part of the Plantation scheme that the Dems have
to create large groups of people who will ALWAYS vote Democrat to keep
their handouts coming.
1. We get a bunch of worthless Leftie "professors" in worthless Leftie colleges who get to continue making a living doing nothing useful.
Benefit: Lefties.
2. We get a bunch of people who are saddled with debt and have a useless degree that's not worth anything. These people are dependant on the gov't, mad at the fact that they "have a degree" but the high paying job that
they were promised never materalized and have the time and hatred to
smash buildings and riot.
Benefit: Lefties.
3. Those colleges, who are flush with money for producing nothing but brainwashed morons, donate back to the Democrat establishment.
Benefit: Lefties.
So why would the Lefties want to fix this? It benefits them all around.
cleaning a huge place in a small amount of time takes a lot of skill. it takes a lot of time management skill. you have to be very organized. a lot of these workers who thought they were better than us were berated constantly for not having these attributes.
Oh, no. They are quite well aware of that. But convincing people that degrees are "needed" they:
1. Funnel lots of money into colleges, that are cesspools of useless Lefties
2. Puts kids/parents into debt, which makes them more dependant on
the gov't handouts.
3. Puts more kids into the Leftie indocrination centers that many of our universities have become.
College is not an indoctrination center, it is a place to gain knowledge. Whether you choose to open your mind or not to knew ideas and concepts remai a choice you and you alone make.
3. Those colleges, who are flush with money for producing nothing but brainwashed morons, donate back to the Democrat establishment.
Benefit: Lefties.
The majority of colleges spend their money on athetics.
See, that's what we call an unfounded claim. I'd love to see your source fo that.
In my personal experience, I'm not sure how much of this is really true.. I got an associates & a bachelor's degree in software engineering, and I think the degree program I was in was fairly good and focused on what it was meant be. In the classes I had, I never had a sense that anyone was pushing a political agenda either way; they were just teaching the course material.
I think the "financial decisions" part is what some fail to grasp.
Those that don't want to make any sacrifices are not going to be able
to retire in their 50s/60s.
Even 30-40 years ago, financial planning was NOT something that was commonly taught in the schools. Luckily, my parents did a good job of that with me.
I don't agree with their fix... throw more good money after bad... though. I think the fix is to stop throwing any more money at it and changing how things are done to make it more difficult to build that debt to begin with.
I think you are looking at this the wrong way.
Everyone knows that throwing good money after bad won't solve the problem,
so I think we can assume that solving the problem is **not** the goal.
Honestly, the only thing it takes to take College off its pedestal is visiting it. It is High School 2.0 with a special bullshit and political mix thrown in. If you think they are not boiling with political campaigning then you must have been to a College much different than mine.
For some careers, degrees are needed and not having one will prevent you from getting in the door. Your points are rather foolish but offer some validation to claims I've made numerous times. Public colleges should be free or heavily subsized. This will reduce the financial burden on families and open more doors for children who avoid careers due to the high debt load. There is nothing wrong with colleges; they open the minds of our youth allowing them to examine multiple arguments besides those they were raised with. There are views and arguments that our youth may never look beyond that college will never fix, but the thought of trying is still important.
Re: Re: GAB
By: Arelor to Dream Master on Wed Feb 17 2021 05:42 pm
Honestly, the only thing it takes to take College off its pedestal is visiting it. It is High School 2.0 with a special
bullshit and political mix thrown in. If you think they are not boiling with political campaigning then you must have bee
to a College much different than mine.
College, job market, they are all High School 2.0. You take from it what you put in. You're right, college is a great plac
to get indoctrinated just like watching Fox News, listening to the now deceased Rush Limbaugh, or going onto a far right
website--indoctrination happens if you let it.
Brian Klauss <-> Dream Master
Caught in a Dream | caughtinadream.com a Synchronet BBS
Dream Master wrote to Arelor <=-
Honestly, the only thing it takes to take College off its pedestal is visiting it. It is High School 2.0 with a special bullshit and political mix thrown in. If you think they are not boiling with political campaigning then you must have been to a College much different than mine.
College, job market, they are all High School 2.0. You take from
it what you put in. You're right, college is a great place to
get indoctrinated just like watching Fox News, listening to the
now deceased Rush Limbaugh, or going onto a far right website--indoctrination happens if you let it.
Nightfox wrote to Dr. What <=-
In my personal experience, I'm not sure how much of this is really
true.. I got an associates & a bachelor's degree in software
engineering, and I think the degree program I was in was fairly good
and focused on what it was meant to be. In the classes I had, I never
had a sense that anyone was pushing a political agenda either way; they were just teaching the course material.
As far as debt, I can understand not wanting debt. I was in a
low-income situation where I qualified for financial aid in the form of grants that significantly eased the cost for me. I came out of college debt-free. Although I had the option to take loans, I chose not to.
What was leftover after grants was paid out of pocket.
Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-
I don't think they taught it when I was in school, which fits that time frame. They may have taught it in the "remedial" classes, where they seemed to teach more practical stuff than the "college bound" classes.
Luckily my parents did a good job of that also. IMHO the failing here
is not just on the schools.
Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-
Everyone knows that throwing good money after bad won't solve the problem, so I think we can assume that solving the problem is **not** the goal.
I am not convinced that everyone does know that.
I do agree that many
are set up to benefit from the practice for sure.
Arelor wrote to Dream Master <=-
Many college departments are more power ful than people think and you
get professors distributing weird ideas to students, like "continuous calculus is a worthless model", without opposition.
Honestly, the only thing it takes to take College off its pedestal is visiting it.
I think the "financial decisions" part is what some fail to grasp. Those that don't want to make any sacrifices are not going to be able to retire in their 50s/60s.
Even 30-40 years ago, financial planning was NOT something that was commonly taught in the schools. Luckily, my parents did a good job of that with me.
I don't think they taught it when I was in school, which fits that time frame. They may have taught it in the "remedial" classes, where they
seemed to teach more practical stuff than the "college bound" classes.
Luckily my parents did a good job of that also. IMHO the failing here is not just on the schools.
My Step Son and Step Daughter worked and went to college and paid for their college as they wen't, My wife and I provided free room and board during this period of time, and now they're makeing good money but not in debt.
I don't believe our taxes should be paying for someones further education after 12th grade, my step kids did just fine and are not in debt.
I don't think jobs are High School 2.0 at all.
So, you don't think it's accurate to say that nearly *ALL* colleges tend
to try and sway students to the Left? You don't think that nearly *ALL* college "professors" are liberals and try to add their personal
political beliefs into their lesson plans?
Seriously?
That's a *LOT* different than watching/listening to a particular
channel, or "going to a website". Not even remotely the same thing.
Dream Master wrote to Gamgee <=-
So, you don't think it's accurate to say that nearly *ALL* colleges tend
to try and sway students to the Left? You don't think that nearly *ALL* college "professors" are liberals and try to add their personal
political beliefs into their lesson plans?
Yes, that is what I am saying. I've been to colleges in Orange
County, California and Denver, Colorado. My professors were on
both sides and I never once felt indoctrinated into a certain
"mindset". Once again, you take what you want from college. I
spent many hours debating professors who were on both sides, I
learned some, laughed some, and regretted some of those
conversations. Ultimately, I still learned.
My Step Son and Step Daughter worked and went to college and paid for
their college as they wen't, My wife and I provided free room and
board during this period of time, and now they're makeing good money
Okay, and that works for you and your family, but I believe higher education should also be subsidized ensuring greater access to education. We are the only country in the world where education is a luxury. Even a paltry 1% increase in taxes would fund higher education. Just for clarification, primary, middle, and high schools are paid for by home ownership taxes. Those who live in apartments do not directly pay into "lower" education.
So, you don't think it's accurate to say that nearly *ALL* colleges
tend to try and sway students to the Left? You don't think that
nearly *ALL* college "professors" are liberals and try to add their
personal political beliefs into their lesson plans?
Yes, that is what I am saying. I've been to colleges in Orange County, California and Denver, Colorado. My professors were on both sides and I never once felt indoctrinated into a certain "mindset". Once again, you take what you want from college. I spent many hours debating professors who were on both sides, I learned some, laughed some, and regretted some of those conversations. Ultimately, I still learned.
Yes, that is what I am saying. I've been to colleges in Orange County, Califor
ia and Denver, Colorado. My professors were on both sides and I never once fel
indoctrinated into a certain "mindset". Once again, you take what you want fr
m college. I spent many hours debating professors who were on both sides, I le
rned some, laughed some, and regretted some of those conversations. Ultimately,
I still learned.
If someone wants a higher education they should work for it and not depend on >taxes to pay for it.
If someone wants a higher education they should work for it and not depend on taxes to pay for it.
If someone wants a higher education they should work for it and not
depend on taxes to pay for it.
That's a good point, but an argument could probably be made that if we want a good local economy, we need skilled & educated workers, so it would be good to make a higher education easier to obtain. There are many jobs that are being outsourced overseas because there aren't enough local skilled workers for the jobs. If outsourcing is done, I suppose that might mean the local population is too lazy to work for their higher education, and the people overseas are more willing to work for it?
Re: Re: GAB
By: Denn to Dream Master on Thu Feb 18 2021 11:15 pm
If someone wants a higher education they should work for it and not depend on taxes to pay for it.
That's a good point, but an argument could probably be made that if we want a good local economy, we need skilled & educated
workers, so it would be good to make a higher education easier to obtain. There are many jobs that are being outsourced
overseas because there aren't enough local skilled workers for the jobs. If outsourcing is done, I suppose that might mean
local population is too lazy to work for their higher education, and the people overseas are more willing to work for it?
Nightfox
Re: Re: GAB
By: Nightfox to Denn on Fri Feb 19 2021 08:12 pm
If someone wants a higher education they should work for it and not
depend on taxes to pay for it.
That's a good point, but an argument could probably be made that if we want a good local economy, we need skilled &
educated workers, so it would be good to make a higher education easier to obtain. There are many jobs that are being
outsourced overseas because there aren't enough local skilled workers for the jobs. If outsourcing is done, I suppose t
might mean the local population is too lazy to work for their higher education, and the people overseas are more willin
to work for it?
We have the skilled worker's, companies like Disney and others made workers train their oversea's replacements, the oversea
workers like in India work for far less money.
Arelor wrote to Nightfox <=-
So when I read that we have to increase the availability of
College education, why I am reading is "we have to funnel more
people into a broken education system."
We have the skilled worker's, companies like Disney and others made workers train their oversea's replacements, the oversea's workers like in India work for far less money.
HP Printing outsources a lot of their coding to Spain. They used to outsource it to India because India is cheaper, but they are learning the hard way that code produced in India is getting hard to integrate with their existing products.
In the end of the day it is all about getting the best result/dollar ratio.
That's a good point, but an argument could probably be made that if we want a g
od local economy, we need skilled & educated workers, so it would be good to ma
e a higher education easier to obtain. There are many jobs that are being outs
urced overseas because there aren't enough local skilled workers for the jobs.
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dream Master to HusTler on Sun Feb 14 2021 01:03 pm
He wasn't liked by Democrats and didn't "suck up" to them. BTW. Mr.
Trump was aquitted yet again of impeachment. You can't keep a good man down.
"Teflon Don" strikes again.
I'LL BE BOK ;-)
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dream Master to Dr. What on Wed Feb 17 2021 09:32 am
College is not an indoctrination center, it is a place to gain knowledge. Whether you choose to open your mind or not to knew ideas and concepts remai a choice you and you alone make.
Colleges are indoctrination centers.
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dream Master to Dr. What on Wed Feb 17 2021 10:22 am
3. Those colleges, who are flush with money for producing nothing but brainwashed morons, donate back to the Democrat establishment.
Benefit: Lefties.
The majority of colleges spend their money on athetics.
See, that's what we call an unfounded claim. I'd love to see your source fo that.
When I was at college and I wanted to join some extra-curicular coding/engineering activities, I realized ALL the College sponsored
ones were woke infiltrated.
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Nightfox to Dr. What on Wed Feb 17 2021 12:37 pm
In my personal experience, I'm not sure how much of this is really true.. I got an associates & a bachelor's degree in software engineering, and I think the degree program I was in was fairly good and focused on what it was meant be. In the classes I had, I never had a sense that anyone was pushing a political agenda either way; they were just teaching the course material.
Technical and science-studies seem to be resistant to political infiltration because the people in them are not good candidates for politicla activism - so I see less recruiters from political groups trying.
The arts, filosophy, literature and nursery studies were LOADED with politics. Heck, you had arts students scoring credits for erecting monuments to Marx and Bakunin.
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dream Master to Dr. What on Wed Feb 17 2021 09:32 am
For some careers, degrees are needed and not having one will prevent you from getting in the door. Your points are rather foolish but offer some validation to claims I've made numerous times. Public colleges should be free or heavily subsized. This will reduce the financial burden on families and open more doors for children who avoid careers due to the high debt load. There is nothing wrong with colleges; they open the minds of our youth allowing them to examine multiple arguments besides those they were raised with. There are views and arguments that our youth may never look beyond that college will never fix, but the thought of trying is still important.
My Step Son and Step Daughter worked and went to college and paid for their college as they wen't, My wife and I provided free room and board during this period of time, and now they're makeing good money but not
in debt.
I don't believe our taxes should be paying for someones further
education after 12th grade, my step kids did just fine and are not in debt.
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dream Master to Arelor on Wed Feb 17 2021 05:44 pm
Re: Re: GAB
By: Arelor to Dream Master on Wed Feb 17 2021 05:42 pm
Honestly, the only thing it takes to take College off its pedestal is
ting it. It is High School 2.0 with a speciali
bullshit and political mix thrown in. If you think they are not boiling
th political campaigning then you must have beeou
to a College much different than mine.
College, job market, they are all High School 2.0. You take from it what
put in. You're right, college is a great placeceas
to get indoctrinated just like watching Fox News, listening to the now
ed Rush Limbaugh, or going onto a far right
website--indoctrination happens if you let it.
Brian Klauss <-> Dream Master
Caught in a Dream | caughtinadream.com a Synchronet BBS
I don't think jobs are High School 2.0 at all.
Certain workplaces are indoctrination centers, but they are nothing
like High School.
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Dream Master wrote to Arelor <=-
Honestly, the only thing it takes to take College off its pedestal is visiting it. It is High School 2.0 with a special bullshit and political mix thrown in. If you think they are not boiling with political campaigning then you must have been to a College much different than mine.
College, job market, they are all High School 2.0. You take from
it what you put in. You're right, college is a great place to
get indoctrinated just like watching Fox News, listening to the
now deceased Rush Limbaugh, or going onto a far right website--indoctrination happens if you let it.
So, you don't think it's accurate to say that nearly *ALL* colleges
tend to try and sway students to the Left? You don't think that nearly *ALL* college "professors" are liberals and try to add their personal political beliefs into their lesson plans?
Seriously?
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Denn to Nightfox on
Sat Feb 20 2021 12:48 am
Re: Re: GAB
By: Nightfox to Denn on Fri Feb 19 2021 08:12 pm
If someone wants a higher education they should work for it and not
depend on taxes to pay for it.
That's a good point, but an argument could probably be made that if we
ant a good local economy, we need skilled &fo
educated workers, so it would be good to make a higher education easierto obtain. There are many jobs that are being
outsourced overseas because there aren't enough local skilled workers
r the jobs. If outsourcing is done, I suppose tedu
might mean the local population is too lazy to work for their higher
cation, and the people overseas are more willin
to work for it?
We have the skilled worker's, companies like Disney and others made workers
train their oversea's replacements, the oversea
workers like in India work for far less money.
It is a tight balance.
HP Printing outsources a lot of their coding to Spain. They used to outsource it to India because India is cheaper, but they are learning
the hard way that code produced in India is getting hard to integrate
with their existing products.
In the end of the day it is all about getting the best result/dollar ratio.
HP Printing outsources a lot of their coding to Spain. They used to
outsource it to India because India is cheaper, but they are
learning the hard way that code produced in India is getting hard to
integrate with their existing products.
Don't these companies wonder WHY labour is cheaper? It amuses me to no
end to hear stories of companies going for cheaper labour, then
realising they are getting a shoddier product, not having expected this outcome.
Don't these companies wonder WHY labour is cheaper? It amuses me to no
end to hear stories of companies going for cheaper labour, then
realising they are getting a shoddier product, not having expected this outcome.
We dumb ass "consoomers" figured out that cheap imports were cheaper
because they weren't as good, how did these well paid people miss this?
Vague wrote to Gamgee <=-
So, you don't think it's accurate to say that nearly *ALL* colleges
tend to try and sway students to the Left? You don't think that nearly *ALL* college "professors" are liberals and try to add their personal political beliefs into their lesson plans?
I like how you pretend to know so certainly that they are. lmao
Vague wrote to Arelor <=-
When I was at college and I wanted to join some extra-curicular coding/engineering activities, I realized ALL the College sponsored
ones were woke infiltrated.
As soon as you hear "woke infiltrated" in a conversation, you
know the level of bullshit will be astronomical.
Vague wrote to Denn <=-
My Step Son and Step Daughter worked and went to college and paid for their college as they wen't, My wife and I provided free room and board during this period of time, and now they're makeing good money but not
in debt.
I don't believe our taxes should be paying for someones further
education after 12th grade, my step kids did just fine and are not in debt.
Sure is lucky for your kids that you had enough money and
resources to do that for them.
I wonder how many people can do that?
Don't these companies wonder WHY labour is cheaper? It amuses me to no
end to hear stories of companies going for cheaper labour, then
realising they are getting a shoddier product, not having expected this outcome.
MRO wrote to Denn <=-
i worked at a company that made medical devices. we were given the news that we can go over to puerto rico to train our replacements! everyone
was so excited! except me who said fuck that.
Boraxman wrote to Arelor <=-
Don't these companies wonder WHY labour is cheaper? It amuses me to no end to hear stories of companies going for cheaper labour, then
realising they are getting a shoddier product, not having expected this outcome.
MRO wrote to Denn <=-
i worked at a company that made medical devices. we were given the news that we can go over to puerto rico to train our replacements! everyone was so excited! except me who said fuck that.
I wonder if anyone stayed in PR and went into business for themselves consulting for the outsourcer?
Now that would have been the boss move.
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Vague wrote to Gamgee <=-
So, you don't think it's accurate to say that nearly *ALL* colleges
tend to try and sway students to the Left? You don't think that nearly *ALL* college "professors" are liberals and try to add their personal political beliefs into their lesson plans?
I like how you pretend to know so certainly that they are. lmao
What makes you think I'm "pretending"? You don't think it's possible
that I know that for certain?
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My Step Son and Step Daughter worked and went to college and paid for their college as they wen't, My wife and I provided free room and board during this period of time, and now they're makeing good money but not
in debt.
I don't believe our taxes should be paying for someones further
education after 12th grade, my step kids did just fine and are not in debt.
Sure is lucky for your kids that you had enough money and
resources to do that for them.
He said that they let their kids stay at their home while the kids went
to college, and fed them. How much money and resources does that require...??
I wonder how many people can do that?
I'd say nearly 100% of people. I mean, the kids were staying/eating
there before they left for college, right?
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Boraxman to Arelor on
Sat Feb 20 2021 12:17 pm
HP Printing outsources a lot of their coding to Spain. They used to
outsource it to India because India is cheaper, but they are
learning the hard way that code produced in India is getting hard to
integrate with their existing products.
Don't these companies wonder WHY labour is cheaper? It amuses me to no
end to hear stories of companies going for cheaper labour, then
realising they are getting a shoddier product, not having expected this outcome.
I think there's more to it than cheaper = lower quality. As far as
labor costs, in some countries, I think a large part of it is cost of living in a certain country and exchange rate with where the company is based. If a company is based in the USA and is paying workers in
India, I think the cost of living in India is lower than the US, and
the exchange rate from US dollars to Indian Rupees is favorable (right now, $1 US = 72.55 Indian Rupees).
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Boraxman to Arelor on
Sat Feb 20 2021 12:17 pm
Don't these companies wonder WHY labour is cheaper? It amuses me to nooutco
end to hear stories of companies going for cheaper labour, then
realising they are getting a shoddier product, not having expected this
me.
We dumb ass "consoomers" figured out that cheap imports were cheaper
because they weren't as good, how did these well paid people miss this?
I have a bunch of theories about that.
To be honest, there are many IT dudes in cheapo places who know their trade quite well. If you put somebody to oversee an outsourced
operation with operatives from a developping country it is
theoretically possible to come up with good results.
I think modern corporations have lots of dead weight in the middle
ranks. Redundant Human Resources employees, redundant managers. This people has to keep doing stuff in order to justify their existence. I
have foud there are two main ways they achieve this:
* Pushing Quality Control plans that cost a bunch of money to
implement. This way they can talk to their higher-ups and tell them
they are improving the comapny's Quality. It doesn't matter if the plan
is worthless.
* Pushing Cost Plans, so they can talk to the higher-ups and tell them
how much money they are saving for the company.
Once the company is really optimized, you run out of useful things to
do, so you have to push plans that crank things up to 11. Othersiwe you risk senior managers discovering you are not needed anymore.
So you come up with the idea of moving operations to India - even
knowing you can't possibly improve results doing that - because that
will keep you looking busy for some years.
Vague wrote to Gamgee <=-
So, you don't think it's accurate to say that nearly *ALL* colleges
tend to try and sway students to the Left? You don't think that nearly *ALL* college "professors" are liberals and try to add their personal political beliefs into their lesson plans?
I like how you pretend to know so certainly that they are. lmao
What makes you think I'm "pretending"? You don't think it's possible
that I know that for certain?
I do not. Mainly because it's not believable. There are a lot of
colleges. You've been to 2 at most, and not to do studies on
their cultures. Your anecdotal story, at best, is based on a
miniscule database of information. Again, I do not believe you.
Vague wrote to Gamgee <=-
My Step Son and Step Daughter worked and went to college and paid for their college as they wen't, My wife and I provided free room and board during this period of time, and now they're makeing good money but not
in debt.
I don't believe our taxes should be paying for someones further
education after 12th grade, my step kids did just fine and are not in debt.
Sure is lucky for your kids that you had enough money and
resources to do that for them.
He said that they let their kids stay at their home while the kids went
to college, and fed them. How much money and resources does that require...??
I wonder how many people can do that?
I'd say nearly 100% of people. I mean, the kids were staying/eating
there before they left for college, right?
Oh.. yeah.. 100%! Suuuure. And I'm sure when you look around all
you see if middle class. When was the last time you had to decide
whether to buy groceries or pay rent? Poeple have to make that
decision daily in this country, but you say 100% of Americans can
afford to provided free room and board for their adult children
while they are in college for the next 4 to 6 years? Do you also
think 100% of Texans could just fly to Cancun?
i worked at a company that made medical devices. we were given the news that we can go over to puerto rico to train our replacements! everyone was so excited! except me who said fuck that.
Trump was aquitted yet again of impeachment. You can't keep a good
man down.
"Teflon Don" strikes again.
I'LL BE BOK ;-)
Um.... he's still impeached. They aquitted Clinton, too. He's still impeached.
MRO wrote to Arelor <=-
my company tried outsourcing some of their electronics to india.
Then it comes back to me and i check it with the engineers and we
reject everything. this has happened 3 times already.
it's like they have people making things who have no experience reading blueprints/drawings and zero electronics experience.
whats funny is they tried to change the quote after they thought they
had us.
Obviously "Impeachment" don't mean shit. Just like Biden and his Democrats don't mean shit.Impeachment is the charge. That's ALL it is.
Re: Re: GAB
By: MRO to Denn on Sat Feb 20 2021 12:18 pm
i worked at a company that made medical devices. we were given the news that we can go over to puerto rico to train our replacements! everyone was so excited! except me who said fuck that.
Did you? So did I. What did you do? I did Welding and Machining.
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Vague wrote to Gamgee <=-
So, you don't think it's accurate to say that nearly *ALL* colleges
tend to try and sway students to the Left? You don't think that nearly *ALL* college "professors" are liberals and try to add their personal political beliefs into their lesson plans?
I like how you pretend to know so certainly that they are. lmao
What makes you think I'm "pretending"? You don't think it's possible
that I know that for certain?
I do not. Mainly because it's not believable. There are a lot of
colleges. You've been to 2 at most, and not to do studies on
their cultures. Your anecdotal story, at best, is based on a
miniscule database of information. Again, I do not believe you.
You make a lot of erroneous assumptions. I am not basing my statement
on *ONLY* my personal experiences with college. It includes my own
kids, my entire (large) family, my wife's family, and LOTS of friends
and aquaintances. And friends of friends that I talk to. And business people that I deal with. And reading/web material. All of this over
most all the geographical areas of the country.
See?
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My Step Son and Step Daughter worked and went to college and paid for their college as they wen't, My wife and I provided free room and board during this period of time, and now they're makeing good money but not
in debt.
I don't believe our taxes should be paying for someones further
education after 12th grade, my step kids did just fine and are not in debt.
Sure is lucky for your kids that you had enough money and
resources to do that for them.
He said that they let their kids stay at their home while the kids went
to college, and fed them. How much money and resources does that require...??
I wonder how many people can do that?
I'd say nearly 100% of people. I mean, the kids were staying/eating
there before they left for college, right?
Oh.. yeah.. 100%! Suuuure. And I'm sure when you look around all
you see if middle class. When was the last time you had to decide
whether to buy groceries or pay rent? Poeple have to make that
decision daily in this country, but you say 100% of Americans can
afford to provided free room and board for their adult children
while they are in college for the next 4 to 6 years? Do you also
think 100% of Texans could just fly to Cancun?
<sigh> Your reading comprehension sucks. You need some college (or perhaps high school) remedial education.
I did not say "100% of Americans". You fucking idiot. I was speaking about the kids who went to college (and PAID FOR IT BY WORKING THEIR
WAY THROUGH COLLEGE), who stayed/ate at their parents' house. There weren't any resources used by the parents to send the kids to college. They (the kids) paid for it themselves. That's what the dude said,
right there above!
So, yes. For kids attending college that way, I'm sure that they're parents could house/feed them. I mean, a few months prior, when the
kids were still in high school, they were staying/eating at home,
right?
Pull your head out of your ass and pay attention to what is written,
not what you're imagining.
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Vague to HusTler on Sat Feb 20 2021 06:16 pm
Trump was aquitted yet again of impeachment. You can't keep a good
man down.
"Teflon Don" strikes again.
I'LL BE BOK ;-)
Um.... he's still impeached. They aquitted Clinton, too. He's still impeached.
Obviously "Impeachment" don't mean shit. Just like Biden and his Democrats don't mean shit.
How I can describe it on top of my own country's experience:
[2] All decisions are steered out from the back seat by the party leader who i
turbo catholic, nationalistic wanna be patriot with Poland first attitude but only in the way how he understands or accepts definition of being a good citizen. All other versions of patriotism, national loyalty and value systems that are not approved by him are heavily distriminated publicly and more often
legally
[3] LGBT is chased and officially discredited, top politicians either claim it's a mental sickness or ideology if you're not straight
[8] Conservative supports call liberals 'the lefties', liberals call convervatives 'the nazis' and compare the current movements to NSDAP
[2] All decisions are steered out from the back seat by the party leader whoi
turbo catholic, nationalistic wanna be patriot with Poland first attitudeut
only in the way how he understands or accepts definition of being a good citizen. All other versions of patriotism, national loyalty and valueystems
that are not approved by him are heavily distriminated publicly and moreoften
legally
That doesn't sound too good.
[3] LGBT is chased and officially discredited, top politicians either claim it's a mental sickness or ideology if you're not straight
While I cannot follow them down the rabbit-hole of "there are an
infinite number of genders/sexual identities," I have nothing against people who are "not straight." I doubt they have any more control over being attracted to members of the same sex than I do with being
attracted to women.
Here we sort of have the opposite going... I think we are near the
point where it is going to be expected that young people must go
through a gender identity crisis or there is something wrong with them.
It does not. I loved to be called a patriot and country loving person before. I
liked what I've learnt in US about what I always called 'a positive patriotism'
in contradiction to nationalism. Not I find word patriotism totally overrated.
Here we sort of have the opposite going... I think we are near the
point where it is going to be expected that young people must go
through a gender identity crisis or there is something wrong with them.
I believe our kids generations will go through serious identity crisis for various different reasons if we won't stop bombarding them with information.
The US also used to be known as a melting pot. That is, folks from
other places would come in and assimilate into the society while maybe bring something new into it. At some point, that changed. Some people still do but others want to come in and then have things be the way
they want them, i.e. like they were where they came from.
Sometime after that, it seemed like Americans started becoming less tolerant.
I cannot really blame them.
The US also used to be known as a melting pot. That is, folks from other places would come in and assimilate into the society while maybe bring something new into it. At some point, that changed. Some people still do but others want to come in and then have things be the way they want them, i.e. like they were where they came from.
Sometime after that, it seemed like Americans started becoming less tolerant.
Not everybody likes their city anymore, some have already moved somewhere else >to keep having lifestyle they used to have.
From what I've heard, it sounds like Canada is more of a melting pot now.
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Not everybody likes their city anymore, some have already moved somewhere
to keep having lifestyle they used to have.
You mean the lifestyle where looting is not an acceptable behaviour?
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It does not. I loved to be called a patriot and country loving person before. I
liked what I've learnt in US about what I always called 'a positive patriotism'
in contradiction to nationalism. Not I find word patriotism totally overrated.
The US also used to be known as a melting pot. That is, folks from
other places would come in and assimilate into the society while maybe bring something new into it. At some point, that changed. Some people still do but others want to come in and then have things be the way
they want them, i.e. like they were where they came from.
Sometime after that, it seemed like Americans started becoming less tolerant.
I cannot really blame them.
Here we sort of have the opposite going... I think we are near the point where it is going to be expected that young people must go through a gender identity crisis or there is something wrong with them.
I believe our kids generations will go through serious identity crisis for various different reasons if we won't stop bombarding them with information.
Indeed.
Multiculturalism doesn't work. Never has. The melting pot was doomed to fail.
It can only work if you accept a small number of people. Once you start to see demographic shifts, its game over.
The USA imported people to a degree which caused demographic shifts, as did many other Western nations. This set off a change from which we will never recover.
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No rather a situation where even a shack barely sizeable to store your bike costs $1M+ sold as real estate, same with rental. City turns into
a place that only high-tech, high-payable jobs can afford living well
and restaurant business was dying long before covid in many neighbourhoods.
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker on
Wed Mar 03 2021 10:51 pm
Multiculturalism doesn't work. Never has. The melting pot was doomed to fail.
It can only work if you accept a small number of people. Once you start to see demographic shifts, its game over.
The USA imported people to a degree which caused demographic shifts, as did many other Western nations. This set off a change from which we will never recover.
What kinds of changes, from which we will never recover? Honestly I haven't looked into the effects of multiculturalism much myself, but
it's something I've been curious about. From what I've heard, it
sounds like multiculturalism exists in Canada much more than in the US though.
From what I've heard, it sounds like multiculturalism exists
in Canada much more than in the US though.
What kinds of changes, from which we will never recover? Honestly I haven't lo
ked into the effects of multiculturalism much myself, but it's something I've b
en curious about. From what I've heard, it sounds like multiculturalism exists
in Canada much more than in the US though.
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No rather a situation where even a shack barely sizeable to store your bike costs $1M+ sold as real estate, same with rental. City turns into
a place that only high-tech, high-payable jobs can afford living well
and restaurant business was dying long before covid in many neighbourhoods.
When I was in San Francisco in the late 80s, I knew second and third generation families, plumbers, tradesmen, *real* waiters and bartenders (who did it for a living, not just to pay the bills) and coffee
shop/bagel shop owners.
Last time I was there a couple of years ago I saw amazing restaurants I loved empty and a line of food delivery service cars driving into the parking structure of one of the high-rise condos in the area where I
used to work.
What's the point of paying that kind of money to live in a city if
you're not going to explore and enjoy the city?
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