Dr. What wrote to DaiTengu <=-
DaiTengu wrote to Dr. What <=-
Land doesn't vote. People do.
And I'll remind you that we live in a Republic, not a Democracy.
Lefties like to ignore the facts that they don't like. The fact is
that the Constutition set up a system where the President is the
candidate that gets the most wide-spread support.
If you look at the maps, you will see that Biden got only a few,
hightly populated areas of the country. Even here in Michigan, he got only the large cities. Not what I would call "wide-spread" support.
Re: Re: Election
By: Dr. What to Al on Fri Nov 20 2020 10:12 am
If you think Trump is going to win when the Electoral College casts its votes and if you think everyone who isn't on board with MAGA is glued to
Trump is going to do what serves Trump; American be damned.Which makes him different than Biden or HRC or Obama or W or any other recent President, except maybe the elder Bush, how?
I do think Trump is probably better in that regard since at least Bush
41. I do think that Reagan absolutely was about country first, loved
the US, western culture and democracy, and it showed. HW served the
country above most other things, but his family was highly political
beyond him though.
Clinton, I don't even know where to begin, and Obama largely emulated
the same. Biden is probably the absolute worst in terms of corruption
of the political system of any President in the past century. I wish it
were different.
I'm hoping to see more from the likes of Crenshaw and other more
populist conservative upstarts in the mid-terms and 2024 election run.
I'd also like to see a more pragmatic Libertarian candidate running, but that's a really hard ask.
The Marxists inside the DNC need to be stopped in their tracks and the
tech censorship worries me in so much as their ideas may spread
unchecked by reality, history or experience of those who know better.
What has Biden's staff done?
Biden himself has admitted, in past, that he withheld US funding to the Ukraine until they fired a prosecutor. What he left out of his admission was that this same prosecutor was busy going after the company his son was working for.
D-Generate wrote to Dr. What <=-
If you think Trump is going to win when the Electoral College casts its votes and if you think everyone who isn't on board with MAGA is glued
to CNN, you should take your own advice and deversify your news consumption. ONN, Newsmax, Breitbart and the dwindling number of Trump-approved outlets are Trumpworld favorites for a reason and it's
not because of high journalism standards or a track record of
crediblity. Note how Fox News has fallen out of favor for "disloyalty."
Al wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
This investigation is complete and Biden did nothing wrong. It wasn't Biden who wanted the prosecutor fired, it was for some policy or corruption on the part of that prosecutor and he was fired.
*Laugh* You really need to get a dose of reality. CNN and the other "news" networks are failing because they stopped
being journalists and became pushers of propaganda. Fox, which was simply less, is failing not because of "disloyality"
Re: Re: Election
By: Dr. What to D-Generate on Sun Nov 22 2020 11:59 am
*Laugh* You really need to get a dose of reality. CNN and the other
"news" networks are failing because they stopped
being journalists and became pushers of propaganda. Fox, which was
simply less, is failing not because of "disloyality"
I think it's great Trump refuses to answer any questions from the Press. Pay back's a bitch. F*^ck all of them.
So, the video and audio of Biden saying that Ukrain wasn't going to get Federal money unless the prosecutor was fired is false? Someone made it up and Biden really didn't say those things?
You honestly expect anyone to believe that Leftie narrative?
I think it's great Trump refuses to answer any questions from the Press. Pay back's a bitch. F*^ck all of them.
Al wrote to Dr. What <=-
You honestly expect anyone to believe that Leftie narrative?
I am not a leftie or righty or a democrat or a republican. I am a conservative if that really matters but I have a problem with
several "facts" around all this.
LOL! HAR!!!!
There's the best joke you'll read all day!
Actually, it's complete bullshit. You're about as Left as it gets,
who do you think you're kidding?
So, the video and audio of Biden saying that Ukrain wasn't going to get >DW> Federal money unless the prosecutor was fired is false? Someone made it up >DW> and Biden really didn't say those things?
Well yes he did if I remember right that is what he said. This is an old thing >ou speak of from when Biden was vice president. It was the American position th
t they wanted the despot removed and he was.
What Donald Trump was doing was a little different. Donald was holding money co
gress gave Ukraine for dirt on Biden. That was not never the American position.
Al wrote to Dr. What <=-
You honestly expect anyone to believe that Leftie narrative?
I am not a leftie or righty or a democrat or a republican. I am a conservative if that really matters but I have a problem with
several "facts" around all this.
LOL! HAR!!!!
There's the best joke you'll read all day!
Actually, it's complete bullshit. You're about as Left as it gets,
who do you think you're kidding?
Al wrote to Dr. What <=-
Well yes he did if I remember right that is what he said. This is an
old thing you speak of from when Biden was vice president. It was the American position that they wanted the despot removed and he was.
What Donald Trump was doing was a little different. Donald was holding money congress gave Ukraine for dirt on Biden. That was not never the American position.
Donald Trump does not care about you or America. He only cares about himself.
I am not a leftie or righty or a democrat or a republican. I am a conservative if that really matters but I have a problem with several "facts" around all this.
Al wrote to Gamgee <=-
I am a conservative, I have conservative values although I admit I am progressive. I believe in science.
This Donald Trump thing is not conservatism. It is something else.
My understanding is that no one in Washington is allowed to withhold promised foreign aid money regardless of the reason. Biden withholding until they fire an attorney (who was after his son's company)
or Trump's team withholding it hoping to get the country to pursue a case against Biden (for doing the same thing) is not different under those circumstances.
Dumas Walker wrote to Gamgee <=-
I am not a leftie or righty or a democrat or a republican. I am a conservative if that really matters but I have a problem with
several "facts" around all this.
LOL! HAR!!!!
There's the best joke you'll read all day!
Actually, it's complete bullshit. You're about as Left as it gets,
who do you think you're kidding?
You have to remember, on the West Coast, conservative is a little
farther left than it is in the rest of the country. In Canada,
it is farther left still. On the West Coast of Canada, it is
quite likely somewhere to the left of center.
You don't remember right. You should review the video again.
It was pretty clear that Quid Pro Joe wanted the prosecutor (that was investigating the company his worthless son was on the board of) removed or the gov't of Ukraine wouldn't get the money.
There was no "despot" involved. But nice attempt at a spin.
What Donald Trump was doing was a little different. Donald was
holding money congress gave Ukraine for dirt on Biden. That was not
never the American position.
Just more fake news from the Leftie media.
Donald Trump does not care about you or America. He only cares about
himself.
You're confused. Biden has been in politics for 47 years without doing anything. The Dems have a trail of corruption so long that it's almost horrorifying. Of course, you won't see any of that as long as you continue to watch your Leftie Media.
You keep spouting Leftie talking points and ignoring the facts.
This Donald Trump thing is not conservatism. It is something else.
Trump is a Conservative. But we haven't seen one with a backbone in so long that it's hard to recognize.
It's getting easy to spot lefties:
1. Complete lack of self-awareness.
2. Narcissism.
3. Inability to accept reality.
My understanding is that no one in Washington is allowed to withhold promised foreign aid money regardless of the reason. Biden withholding until they fire an attorney (who was after his son's company)
It was the American position that they wanted a corrupt prosecutor fired, and h
was fired.
Trump was not acting from the American position. Congress gave this aid to Ukra
ne but Trump didn't give it to them. He held it up until they agreed to dig up >irt on biden, his political opponent.
A very different scenario.
Good points, thanks.
I would add, though, that what actually matters to a person who is
evaluating another's political standing is the perspective of *THAT*
*PERSON* (in this example, me). I consider myself a conservative,
right of center but not in the extreme, and to *ME*, this other person
is very far to the left on "my" scale.
Well yes he did if I remember right that is what he said. This is an
old thing you speak of from when Biden was vice president. It was the American position that they wanted the despot removed and he was.
You don't remember right. You should review the video again.
It was pretty clear that Quid Pro Joe wanted the prosecutor (that was investigating the company his worthless son was on the board of) removed
or the gov't of Ukraine wouldn't get the money.
There was no "despot" involved. But nice attempt at a spin.
It was pretty clear that Quid Pro Joe wanted the prosecutor (that was investigating the company his worthless son was on the board of) removed or the gov't of Ukraine wouldn't get the money.
Yeah. That's what I said.
There was no "despot" involved. But nice attempt at a spin.
They wanted a corrupt prosecutor fired, and he was.
That is what Donald Trump was doing. That is largely what got him impeached.
The people knew what they were getting with Biden.
This Donald Trump thing is not conservatism. It is something else.
Trump is a Conservative. But we haven't seen one with a backbone in so long that it's hard to recognize.
Wasn't he a democrat at one time? Donald Trump is what sells.
This Donald Trump thing is not conservatism. It is something
else.
Trump is a Conservative. But we haven't seen one with a backbone
in so
long that it's hard to recognize.
Wasn't he a democrat at one time? Donald Trump is what sells.
Most democrats who are also conservatives are now republicans, or at least vote for them for President. For a Canadian who supposedly knows more about American politics, and what is good for us, than we do I am surprised you were not aware of that.
Yes, and the US government is not allowed to withhold promised foreign aid for quid-pro-quo favors. So, are you saying that Obama and Biden are guilty?
No as neither are legal. You seem to keep missing that point. You can't seem to get around "Biden is D and D is gud."
Wasn't he a democrat at one time? Donald Trump is what sells.
Most democrats who are also conservatives are now republicans, or at least vote for them for President.
Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-
Good points, thanks.
I would add, though, that what actually matters to a person who is evaluating another's political standing is the perspective of *THAT* *PERSON* (in this example, me). I consider myself a conservative,
right of center but not in the extreme, and to *ME*, this other person
is very far to the left on "my" scale.
He is just far enough left that he apparently doesn't believe in
burning down cities. Any farther left and he would. That is my perspective.
For him, any American politician who has a (D) after their name
always tells the truth and shouldn't be questioned. That is all
you need to know.
Trump is a Conservative. But we haven't seen one with a backbone in so
long that it's hard to recognize.
I would add, though, that what actually matters to a person who is evaluating another's political standing is the perspective of *THAT* *PERSON* (in this example, me). I consider myself a conservative,
right of center but not in the extreme, and to *ME*, this other person
is very far to the left on "my" scale.
Re: Re: Election
By: Dr. What to Al on Tue Nov 24 2020 08:13 am
Trump is a Conservative. But we haven't seen one with a backbone in
so long that it's hard to recognize.
Trump's ideological views are Conservative. His biggest problem though is that he believes in big government and has expanded it since taking office. Contrary to what he said he was going to do, he did not shrink government but has instead added 2 million jobs to the federal workforce.
Trump's ideological views are Conservative. His biggest problem though is that he believes in big government and has expanded it since taking office. Contrary to what he said he was going to do, he did not shrink government but has instead added 2 million jobs to the federal workforce.
oh god trump made 2 million jobs. he is literally hitler
Al wrote to Dr. What <=-
They wanted a corrupt prosecutor fired, and he was.
That is what Donald Trump was doing. That is largely what got him impeached.
Your right, Biden has been in politics for decades. He was vice
president for eight years beside a very successful president. The
people knew what they were getting with Biden.
I have the facts in hand. The facts don't show any of the right's
claims as having any basis in reality. Fantasy maybe, but not reality.
Andeddu wrote to Dr. What <=-
Trump's ideological views are Conservative. His biggest problem though
is that he believes in big government and has expanded it since taking office. Contrary to what he said he was going to do, he did not shrink government but has instead added 2 million jobs to the federal
workforce.
Land doesn't vote. People do.
And I'll remind you that we live in a Republic, not a Democracy.
Lefties like to ignore the facts that they don't like. The fact is that the Constutition set up a system where the President is the candidate that gets the most wide-spread support.
If you look at the maps, you will see that Biden got only a few, hightly populated areas of the country. Even here in Michigan, he got only the large cities. Not what I would call "wide-spread" support.
oh god trump made 2 million jobs. he is literally hitler
Public sector jobs are not "real" jobs though. Any president could employ
economy. A true Conservative belives in private ownership and Capitalism as an economic system, and that includes having a SMALL government.
He is more of an old school Democrat, the sort you'd find in the 70s-80s.
oh god trump made 2 million jobs. he is literally hitler
Yes, glad we are getting rid of him so that those poor 2 million folks can go back to living off the dole or working minimum wage.
They wanted a corrupt prosecutor fired, and he was.
They wanted a prosecutor who was going after the corrupt company Hunter Biden was on the board off.
Big difference there.
That is what Donald Trump was doing. That is largely what got him
impeached.
*Yawn* Ya, a big nothing-burger from the Dems wasting all that time and money on their political games.
All you have is Leftie talking points. But for Lefties, the Narrative is reality. That's why Lefties are so mad and sad all the time: Reality won't go along with their Narrative.
Incorrect. feel free to go back to school and read upon the
"three-fifths compromise". The real reason we have the Electoral
College is abhorrent.
people are just lazy and pathetic. i joined my state's unemployment group on facebook. it's one where they complain about the many issues in wisconsin.
people have been sitting on their asses for 8 months just waiting for their un
ployment payouts. they arent looking for work. i ask them why they are waitin
so long when there's good paying jobs out there and they dont give the reasons
nd jump down my throat.
people want to sit at home and get high and have the government take care of t
m. my body is fucked up. i can barely walk because of an injured tendon in my
eg and i am still on my feet all day and moving around.
And then we get to the Leftie "definition" of "Conservative" that you seem to want to redefine to meet your arguments.
There are many elitist democratic voters who will tell you that those folks don't exist. I am glad I am not the only one who notices them. I live in an area where most of my neighbors are older and retired. Something I had noticed before, and have again now that we are on WFH, is the number of adult children who spend most of their time (in good weather) sitting on their parent's front porches playing on their cell phones. They were doing it before COVID, so there is no blaming it on that. They are basically waiting for mom and dad to kick off so that they can have the house. A couple of them have been sent up the river for dealing drugs off the porch. They are lazy af.
One of those neighbors moved out. A person closer to my age moved it. Her teenage/early-20's son has at least 2 jobs. Good to see that some kids still want to work.
DaiTengu wrote to Dr. What <=-
Land doesn't vote. People do.
And I'll remind you that we live in a Republic, not a Democracy.
I'm quite aware.
Lefties like to ignore the facts that they don't like. The fact is that
Incorrect. feel free to go back to school and read upon the
"three-fifths compromise". The real reason we have the Electoral
College is abhorrent.
The Constitution was set up so that it could be changed over the years. It's supposed to be a living document, yet it's been 49 years since we went through that process with the 26th amendment.
Al wrote to Dr. What <=-
They wanted a corrupt prosecutor fired, and he was.
They wanted a prosecutor who was going after the corrupt company Hunter Biden was on the board off.
Big difference there.
There is and you continue to miss it.
You dismiss the facts and cling to a conspiracy theory.
Andeddu wrote to Dr. What <=-
And then we get to the Leftie "definition" of "Conservative" that you seem to want to redefine to meet your arguments.
Ahem, you're calling me a "Leftie"? I said Trump, by today's standards,
is ideologically Conservative, but his promulgation of an expanded government is counter-productive to economical prosperity.
We call those kids "NiNis" in Spain. "_Ni_ Estudian _Ni_ Trabajan" (No job, no >studying).
Then we have a curious phenomenon here when it comes to unemployment. Spain has
produced a lot of gradutates as of late. When those graduates hit the job >market, it turns out there are no vacancies for gradutates and that most demand
is for VS. After a year trying to turn my good for nothing Engineering degree >into a job I started applying for lower level jobs, and got always rejected >because I was overqualified.
The same factory owners who sent me back home would then complain that no VS >would take their job offers.
Incorrect. feel free to go back to school and read upon the
"three-fifths compromise". The real reason we have the Electoral
College is abhorrent.
Maybe *YOU* should go back to school, as the 3/5 compromise predates the electoral college, and doesn't have anything to do with Congressional representation for a century and a half, twice the lifetime of almost everyone alive today.
Land doesn't vote. People do.
And I'll remind you that we live in a Republic, not a Democracy.
I'm quite aware.
Then why do you keep bringing up the idea of "popular vote" in context of the Presidental Election?
You've obviously been incortrinated, not educated.
The Constitution was set up so that it could be changed overthe years. It's supposed to be a living document, yet it's been 49
Yes, it's a living document that has a well-documented process for changing it and it (obviously) works since since it's
been used 26 times so far.
What it doesn't allow (and this is what you Lefties don't like) is for it to be changed on a whim - and that's by design.
Of course, if you actually were educated in this, you would know that.
You might want to check out https://online.hillsdale.edu/#course-offerings They offer free online courses - a couple specifically on the Constitution.
And you've yet to show me the "expanded gov't".
I've already explained that "expanded gov't" has nothing to do with number o employees. It has to do with the amount of
intrusion the gov't has into people's lives.
What is a VS? I must admit that is one thing I am concerned with personally. Once I retire from my current IT job, I hope to still be employable at least on a part-time basis. My recollection of past attempts at getting a job outside of my field of study is that employers seem to
turn their noses up at people with an IT degree or IT background, I assume because they are afraid we have no social skills, or any skills that don't involve sitting in front of a computer screen.
I hope that is not the case.
Slaves were counted as 3/5 of a person in terms of population. Population was
is) how congressional seats are decided, which, in turn, is how many Electoral >ollege votes a state gets.
That whole statement is not true. You talk as if the number was decided then and never changed. As the 3/5ths compromise is no longer used, everyone counts as 1. The number of congressional seats, and electoral votes, a state gets can change. Smaller states have seen their numbers go down, while larger states have seen their numbers go up.
The 3/5ths compromise no longer has anything to do with determining how many congresspeople/votes a state gets.
The 3/5ths compromise no longer has anything to do with determining how many congresspeople/votes a state gets.
I never said it was. It did have everything to do with its creation, however.
And you've yet to show me the "expanded gov't".
I've already explained that "expanded gov't" has nothing to do with number of employees. It has to do with the amount of
intrusion the gov't has into people's lives.
Trump has greatly reduced the number of rules and regulations and other gov't intrusions into our lives.
So, I'm calling you a Leftie because you've used the standard Leftie tactic of redefining a term in order to
"win" the argument.
Maybe *YOU* should go back to school, as the 3/5 compromise predates the
electoral college, and doesn't have anything to do with Congressional
representation for a century and a half, twice the lifetime of almost
everyone alive today.
Slaves were counted as 3/5 of a person in terms of population. Population
was (is) how congressional seats are decided, which, in turn, is how many Electoral College votes a state gets.
Are you proposing another method of determining how many Congressional seats a give state gets?
Andeddu wrote to Dr. What <=-
So, I'm calling you a Leftie because you've used the standard Leftie tactic of redefining a term in order to "win" the argument.
I am talking about the literal size of government from an
economic standpoint which has nothing to do with governemnt
intrusion. Capitalists believe in a literal small government, not
a bloated inefficent cash-sink. I think Trump's active resistance
against the "deep state" shows that he's anti-government
intrusion. I don't think there's an argument to "win"... I am not
here to argue over the interwebz with some dude located thousands
of miles away from me.
Good point there at the end. Why *ARE* you so obsessed with the
goings on of the USA? You're not a citizen and you don't live here.
STFU and mind your own business.
intrusion. I don't think there's an argument to "win"... I am not
here to argue over the interwebz with some dude located thousands
of miles away from me.
Good point there at the end. Why *ARE* you so obsessed with the
goings on of the USA? You're not a citizen and you don't live here.
STFU and mind your own business.
Re: Re: Election
By: Gamgee to Andeddu on Tue Dec 01 2020 11:43 am
Good point there at the end. Why *ARE* you so obsessed with the
goings on of the USA? You're not a citizen and you don't live here.
STFU and mind your own business.
I can't talk for Andeddu, but my own take is this:
The US is the major exporter of culture in the Western world, and its main economica agent. Bad stuff that happens there will eventually reach us one > way or another.
I mean, I am not French either, but if they started experimenting with bioweapons I'd get concerned they could explode in ther faces and affect us > :-P
DaiTengu wrote to Tracker1 <=-
No, I'm proposing we scrap the EC and vote for president the same way governors of states are elected, by popular vote.
DaiTengu wrote to Tracker1 <=-
Re: Re: Election
By: Tracker1 to DaiTengu on Mon Nov 30 2020 04:11 pm
Are you proposing another method of determining how many Congressional seats a give state gets?
No, I'm proposing we scrap the EC and vote for president the same way governors of states are elected, by popular vote.
Dr. What wrote to DaiTengu <=-
DaiTengu wrote to Tracker1 <=-
No, I'm proposing we scrap the EC and vote for president the same way governors of states are elected, by popular vote.
Which, had you actually been educated about the Constutution and the Electoral College, would result in the majority of the country being disenfranchised.
Yup, I agree with that too. The difference is that you don't constantly spew doom and gloom, and anti-USA drivel, and outright lies, the way this Andeddu character does. I get tired of his crap.
Yup, I agree with that too. The difference is that you don't constantly spew >doom and gloom, and anti-USA drivel, and outright lies, the way this Andeddu ch
racter does. I get tired of his crap.
Then you end up like here in California where we are "lorded" over by Bay Area >clowns that have no idea, or maybe don't give a shit, about our needs and wants
in the rural areas. Most counties in Eastern, Northern and even some Southern >Counties are Red. Bay Area, L.A. Area and maybe Sacramento and San Diego Areas >control the elections. There's a whole lot more of the state that gets no real >say and is forgotten about.
Andeddu wrote to Gamgee <=-
Yup, I agree with that too. The difference is that you don't constantly spew doom and gloom, and anti-USA drivel, and outright lies, the way this Andeddu character does. I get tired of his crap.
I don't like what's happening in the USA (as it'll affect us all
globally) and I have a right to voice my opinion whether you like
it or not. If you don't like it, don't engage with me. And if you
do engage with me, at least attempt to debate my arguments rather
than just slinging insults my way; you'll look more credible if
you do. It's not rocket science, bud. There's no need to be so
sensitive over the opinions of someone over the internet. I am
not even purposely trying to trigger you! Why get upset when
you're on DOVE-NET of all places... this isn't even Facebook,
Reddit, 4Chan or any form of relevant social media!
Do you wear skinny-jeans and have a man-bun?
Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: Election
By: Gamgee to Andeddu on Wed Dec 02 2020 08:03 pm
Do you wear skinny-jeans and have a man-bun?
Hey, what's wrong with a man-bun? :P
Do you wear skinny-jeans and have a man-bun?
Maybe it is because I moderate the FIDO Politics echo and have seen a lot
of drivel in comparison, but I find most of Andeddu's posts here to be fairly non-anti-USA.
I am defintely not anti-USA. On the contrary, I support the USA... but it can do better. It's just that certain people on here get VERY touchy and upset when 'outsiders' criticise their utopian constitutional Republic.
I am defintely not anti-USA. On the contrary, I support the USA... but it can do better. It's just that certain people on here get VERY touchy and upset when 'outsiders' criticise their utopian constitutional Republic. upset when 'outsiders' criticise their utopian constitutional Republic.
Which, had you actually been educated about the Constutution and the Electoral College, would result in the majority of the country being disenfranchised.
Then you end up like here in California where we are "lorded" over by Bay Area clowns that have no idea, or maybe don't give a shit, about our needs and wants in the rural areas. Most counties in Eastern, Northern and even some Southern Counties are Red. Bay Area, L.A. Area and maybe Sacramento and San Diego Areas control the elections. There's a whole lot more of the state that gets no real say and is forgotten about.
Do you wear skinny-jeans and have a man-bun?
Hey, what's wrong with a man-bun? :P
I am defintely not anti-USA. On the contrary, I support the USA... but it can do better. It's just that certain people on here get VERY touchy and upset when 'outsiders' criticise their utopian constitutional Republic.
We should be able to take criticism of one's own country - and even be able to criticize it ourselves when appropriate. I see it as patriotic to recognize things that are wrong with one's country and want to fix them.
Nightfox
what about your fucked up country? why don't they do better?
DaiTengu wrote to Dr. What <=-
Which, had you actually been educated about the Constutution and the Electoral College, would result in the majority of the country being disenfranchised.
How so? the majority of the population of our country lives in large cities.
I would be inclinded to agree. Unless the flaws are pointed out, they can never be addressed. I said one thing to criticise Trump and a number of posters took it personally and jumped down my throat, which I found to be quite amusing as the snowflake mentality is characteristically angled towards the Left rather than the Right whereas the reality appears to be that both sides can be as bad as each other. I like Trump and if I were as
I am defintely not anti-USA. On the contrary, I support the USA... but it can >do better. It's just that certain people on here get VERY touchy and upset when
'outsiders' criticise their utopian constitutional Republic.
We should, but we haven't really spoken about the UK because I don't think you >people know too much about it. The UK also doesn't have the clout that the USA >has in the international arena, so it's less relevant.
I don't think there's an argument to "win"... I am not here to argue over the interwebz with some dude located thousands of miles away from me.
Why get upset when you're on DOVE-NET of all places... this isn't even Facebook, Reddit, 4Chan or any form of relevant social media!
Andeddu wrote to Gamgee <=-
not even purposely trying to trigger you! Why get upset when
you're on DOVE-NET of all places... this isn't even Facebook,
Reddit, 4Chan or any form of relevant social media!
Do you wear skinny-jeans and have a man-bun?
Hey, what's wrong with a man-bun? :P
Re: Re: Election
By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Thu Dec 03 2020 08:30 am
Do you wear skinny-jeans and have a man-bun?
Hey, what's wrong with a man-bun? :P
Everything.
DaiTengu
There seems to be a double standard and a bit of hypocrisy about that. People don't like when other people criticize their candidate/party of choice, but they're also quick to criticize the other candidate/party..
Nightfox
I get touchy if they always criticise my country but never criticise, or even discuss, their own, or seem overly obsessed with my country's leadership. Otherwise, I feel they are free to their opinion. :)
Tell us more about it and we will know.
I don't think there's an argument to "win"... I am not here to argue over the interwebz with some dude located thousands of miles away from me.
Then why are you posting in the "Debate" section of the boards?
Why get upset when you're on DOVE-NET of all places... this isn't even Facebook, Reddit, 4Chan or any form of relevant social media!
Whao whao whaooooooo dude.
Why have you gotta shit on DOVE-NET like that man? I think this place is relevant.
There seems to be a double standard and a bit of hypocrisy about that. People >on't like when other people criticize their candidate/party of choice, but they
re also quick to criticize the other candidate/party..
There seems to be a double standard and a bit of hypocrisy about that.
People on't like when other people criticize their candidate/party of
choice, but they re also quick to criticize the other candidate/party..
True but, in this particular case, the person making the criticism has no candidate because they don't live here. People got angry because some
Re: Re: Election
By: Vlk-451 to Andeddu on Fri Dec 04 2020 06:52 pm
I don't think there's an argument to "win"... I am not here to argue over the interwebz with some dude located thousands of miles away from me.
Then why are you posting in the "Debate" section of the boards?
Debates aren't arguments.
I am defintely not anti-USA. On the contrary, I support the USA... butwhen
it can do better. It's just that certain people on here get VERY touchy
and upset
'outsiders' criticise their utopian constitutional Republic.
I get touchy if they always criticise my country but never criticise, or even discuss, their own, or seem overly obsessed with my country's leadership. Otherwise, I feel they are free to their opinion. :)
It's the same with the Left always banging on about Right wing conspiracy
theories when they're guilty of disseminating their own "Russian collusion" conspiracy theory for years and continue to do so after it being debunked.
I'm still howling over the fact that he told that dude he wore skinny jeans and a man bun. That was the funniest shit I've read in a week.
The UK isn't particularly important on the world stage right now. MRO is right,
there is no even partnership between our countries like during the >Thatcher/Reagan era... since Blair, you have been the dog and we have been the >tail.
I was replying to his comment that Trump supporters take it personally when he >riticized Trump, when usually leftists tend to be known as snowflakes.
I get touchy if they always criticise my country but never criticise, or even discuss, their own, or seem overly obsessed with my country's leadership. Otherwise, I feel they are free to their opinion. :)
if people from other countries criticize the usa it's usually because of their >edia is so sensationalized. they've been that way a lot longer than our media >as been.
A 'debate', as a noun, is understood as a formal discussion between people or groups of people that is regulated. Interestingly, debates are considered based on 'arguments', which are lines of reasoning, support or evidence about a subject. However, a debate has the feeling of a larger, longer or more formal discussion. A formal debate may even be judged by a person or a panel of people, with one side winning the debate by providing the best lines of reasoning or support for the issue. For example, She argued that people should have the right to decide about their own medical care at the debate.
I'm still howling over the fact that he told that dude he wore skinny jeans and a man bun. That was the funniest shit I've read in a week.
if people from other countries criticize the usa it's usually because of their media is so sensationalized. they've been that way a lot longer than our media has been.
How was it debunked? Several including Roger Stone were convicted and sentenced for their crimes although Roger Stone never did his time because Donald Trump commuted his sentence and has now pardoned Michael Flynn. I don't know if Michael Flynn's pardon will stick since his case hasn't concluded yet.
Russian collusion was never a conspiracy theory. A large number of people were convicted and sentenced for their roles.
Russian collusion was never a conspiracy theory. A large number of
people were convicted and sentenced for their roles.
Last I checked, which was a long time ago, the Mueller Report returned with no sufficient evidence in relation to a Trump-Russia conspiracy.
While I know some people are upset, I have not seen any screaming or crying at a protest because Biden won. I have not seen people I thought were rational adults having breakdowns on FB because Biden won. Four years ago,
Why do you suppose Blair (or the US) let it get that way?
The Mueller investigation was never about charging Donald Trump since he was a sitting president at the time, but it never exonerated him either.
https://youtu.be/HMp9_f-jxDw
Mueller himself said that Donald Trump could be charged with obstruction based on what he saw.
https://youtu.be/wDBBSLqLhT4
As far as I am aware, who won has not been settled at all.
I am not following the events *that*c closely but investigations regarding contested votes are turning interesting things. Like those machines that were scannign votes and assigning them to the wrong party, or people caught scanning the same set of votes multiple times.
My mother was running numbers earlier this morning and told me none of the candidates has votes enough to become elect president once you substract the votes that are under non-baseless investigation.
In fact I find it disturbing when a lot of media is reporting that things are settled and Trump is conceeding. Specially because somebody showed me a headline from a Spanish journal which claimed Trump was conceeding while Trump himself was posting he didn't on Twitter.
I don't know enough about the investigation because I considered it too tedious to pay attention to.
I only saw that the Mueller Report returned with non-sufficency to prove a definitive connection.
I don't know how Russia could influence an election in any meaningful and widespread way. I know they would surely have tried, but that's par for the course in international politics. Every country tries to meddle in every other country's elections.
I don't doubt there's a realistic possibility Trump could be charged with something
but it would be similar charges to Roger Stone and Michael Flynn. Those were obstruction charges, or similar, not charges of conspiracy and collusion.
My mother was running numbers earlier this morning and told me none of the candidates has votes enough to become elect president once you substract the votes that are under non-baseless investigation.
Did you see the CCTV footage of the Georgia count? It looks pretty damning to me. They apparently debunked any foul play shortly after the election due to the absence of CCTV footage, however the recent revelation of the footage will
require much explanation.
I don't know enough about the investigation because I considered it too tedious to pay attention to. I only saw that the Mueller Report returned with non-sufficency to prove a definitive connection. I don't know how Russia could influence an election in any meaningful and widespread way. I know they would surely have tried, but that's par for the course in international politics. Every country tries to meddle in every other country's elections. I don't doubt there's a realistic possibility Trump could be charged with something but it would be similar charges to Roger Stone and Michael Flynn. Those were obstruction charges, or similar, not charges of conspiracy and collusion.
Dumas Walker wrote to ANDEDDU <=-to
Did you see the CCTV footage of the Georgia count? It looks pretty damning
me. They apparently debunked any foul play shortly after the election due to the absence of CCTV footage, however the recent revelation of the footagewill
require much explanation.
They are trying to debunk that with the standard "no evidence of fraud" line but, IMHO, they could really shoot Trump down by actually looking into that instance and giving a brief explanation as to what the video shows.
It seems odd how easily some are willing to dismiss fraud, but have no alternative explanation. Its like they've stopped trying to maintain a veneer of credibility now.
It seems odd how easily some are willing to dismiss fraud, but have no De>> alternative explanation. Its like they've stopped trying to maintain a De>> veneer of credibility now.
The allegations of fraud were never dismissed. This election has been looked over time and again. There have been hearings and investigations but never any real evidence of a stolen election.
Here in the message areas we can make any kind of claims we want and argue day and night.
In a court if you make allegations you have to have proof and none has been provided.
It seems odd how easily some are willing to dismiss fraud, but have no alternative explanation. Its like they've stopped trying to maintain a vene of credibility now.
They are trying to debunk that with the standard "no evidence of fraud" line but, IMHO, they could really shoot Trump down by actually looking into that instance and giving a brief explanation as to what the video shows.
It seems odd how easily some are willing to dismiss fraud, but have no >alternative explanation. Its like they've stopped trying to maintain a veneer >of credibility now.
I thought that in situations like this the obvious step would
be to "launch an inquiry". That process would allow the
seeking of evidence - wouldn't it?
Inquiries are designed to facilitate the processes to access
records, films, documents, and scrutinize everything.
It seems odd how easily some are willing to dismiss fraud, but have no alternative explanation. Its like they've stopped trying to maintain a veneer of credibility now.
The allegations of fraud were never dismissed. This election has been looked ov
r time and again. There have been hearings and investigations but never any rea
evidence of a stolen election.
I thought that in situations like this the obvious step would
be to "launch an inquiry". That process would allow the
seeking of evidence - wouldn't it?
Inquiries are designed to facilitate the processes to access
records, films, documents, and scrutinize everything.
If they want to be transparent
and kick the legs out from under Trump, they would explain it better than that. Dennis is correct. They don't want to provide an explanation.
Al wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Election
By: Dennisk to Dumas Walker on Wed Dec 09 2020 09:07 pm
It seems odd how easily some are willing to dismiss fraud, but have no alternative explanation. Its like they've stopped trying to maintain a veneer of credibility now.
The allegations of fraud were never dismissed. This election has been looked over time and again. There have been hearings and investigations but never any real evidence of a stolen election.
Here in the message areas we can make any kind of claims we want and
argue day and night.
In a court if you make allegations you have to have proof and none has been provided.
Dumas Walker wrote to DENNISK <=-
They are trying to debunk that with the standard "no evidence of fraud" line but, IMHO, they could really shoot Trump down by actually looking into that instance and giving a brief explanation as to what the video shows.
It seems odd how easily some are willing to dismiss fraud, but have no
alternative explanation. Its like they've stopped trying to maintain a veneer
of credibility now.
Yes, that is it, like they've stopped trying.
It would not take much effort at all to give decent explanations for
all of the stuff that has made it on video. Doing so would completely kick the feet out from under the claims that Trump and his team are making. It seems like such an easy thing to do for anyone trying to be credible.
It is how I would handle it, unless I realized something really was
going on in the videos. Not being a politician, I would still handle
it that way even if it was bad news.
Isn't the whole point of being an investigative journalist, to look into it?
That is my point, journalists weren't interested in digging into the claims. They were merely dismissed.
If they want to be transparent
Where is this lack of transparency?
and kick the legs out from under Trump, they would explain it better than
that. Dennis is correct. They don't want to provide an explanation.
There was an election, the votes were counted and Joe Biden was declared the w
ner of that election.
At the very least, you want want to act in a way which affirms people faith in >the democratic process. If people believe that the democratic process doesn't >work, then investigating and reporting an explanation for the claims of >anomalies would restore faith. And that is IMPORTANT, because we consider free
and fair elections something worthy to die and to kill for.
Even if the claims aren't justified, the 'ruling elite' have an obligation to >assure the public, by means of evidence and careful debunking by providing >better explanations of what is going on.
You may need to be tested for a reading comprehension issue.
We were discussing a specific, RECENT video that surfaced which shows some election officials apparently being sent out of a room, and then the remaining ones pulling a bunch of ballot containers out from under a covered table and running them through the machines.
"No evidence" is a BS answer that government folks give when they don't want to explain something. It is also how conspiracy theories start.
No evidence is no evidence. It's made of the same BS as a conspiracy theory.
This whole election fraud thing is simply fake news. Donald Trump is having his
digs at Mar-a-lago updated in advance of his arrival, even he knows the truth. >Hopefully this will be his last grift.
There is video evidence with no explanation given.
WAIT, but I know that you believe
that "fake news" doesn't exist, just like the Easter Bunny, "Antifa," and "the Deep State."
There is video evidence with no explanation given.
That video, like so many supplied by the right has been debunked.
WAIT, but I know that you believe
How do you know what I believe?
that "fake news" doesn't exist, just like the Easter Bunny, "Antifa," and
"the Deep State."
Fake news is nothing new. Liars and cheats have existed since the beginning.
Fake news is nothing new. Liars and cheats have existed since the
beginning.
So now it DOES exist. Hmmm....
That video, like so many supplied by the right has been debunked.
PUSU - show us where.
Re: The Man Bun Thing
By: Vlk-451 to All on Sat Dec 05 2020 01:33 pm
I'm still howling over the fact that he told that dude he wore skinny jeans and a man bun. That was the funniest shit I've read in a week.
Yeah, that was really hilarious. Had me rolling on the floor laughing. I didn't know what to do with myself.
Nightfox
Well, did you clip the man bun and look for cargo pants at wal-mart?
Re: Re: Election
By: Vlk-451 to Andeddu on Sat Dec 05 2020 01:31 pm
A 'debate', as a noun, is understood as a formal discussion between people or groups of people that is regulated. Interestingly, debates are considered based on 'arguments', which are lines of reasoning, support or evidence about a subject. However, a debate has the feeling of a larger, longer or more formal discussion. A formal debate may even be judged by a person or a panel of people, with one side winning the debate by providing the best lines of reasoning or support for the issue. For example, She argued that people should have the right to decide about their own medical care at the debate.
A lot of the time certain posters here constitute a 'debate' as hurling insults at one another. I won't name names, but it's fairly evident who they are.
Re: The Man Bun Thing
By: Vlk-451 to All on Sat Dec 05 2020 01:33 pm
I'm still howling over the fact that he told that dude he wore skinny jeans and a man bun. That was the funniest shit I've read in a week.
Nah, a man bun is more of a Spanish thing. All our footballers who go to Spain like Gareth Bale end up going from skin on the sides and long at the top to a man bun.
Re: Re: Election
By: Dennisk to Dumas Walker on Wed Dec 09 2020 09:07 pm
It seems odd how easily some are willing to dismiss fraud, but have no alternative explanation. Its like they've stopped trying to maintain a vene of credibility now.
Because the whole system is Freudulent. What would they do if they allowed it? Toss out the entire election? Preidents are just puppets. They are really not that important and do not have the power people believe they have. It's time to move on.
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Al wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Election
By: Dennisk to Dumas Walker on Wed Dec 09 2020 09:07 pm
It seems odd how easily some are willing to dismiss fraud, but have no alternative explanation. Its like they've stopped trying to maintain a veneer of credibility now.
The allegations of fraud were never dismissed. This election has been looked over time and again. There have been hearings and investigations but never any real evidence of a stolen election.
Here in the message areas we can make any kind of claims we want and argue day and night.
In a court if you make allegations you have to have proof and none has been provided.
Isn't the whole point of being an investigative journalist, to look into it?
That is my point, journalists weren't interested in digging into the claims. They were merely dismissed.
Re: The Man Bun Thing
By: Vlk-451 to Nightfox on Fri Dec 18 2020 09:38 am
Well, did you clip the man bun and look for cargo pants at wal-mart?
I don't have a man bun and don't have any cargo pants either..
I don't have a man bun and don't have any cargo pants either..
I honestly prefer Jeans, so I feel you there.
In fact, I do own and enjoy a few pairs of Skinny Jeans myself.
In fact, I do own and enjoy a few pairs of Skinny Jeans myself.
I tend to like khaki pants. I suppose this might be surprising, but I've never really worn jeans myself. For some reason, jeans just never really caught on with me.
Re: The Man Bun Thing
By: Nightfox to Vlk-451 on Sun Dec 27 2020 08:24 pm
In fact, I do own and enjoy a few pairs of Skinny Jeans myself.
how can a man enjoy skinny jeans?!
I tend to like khaki pants. I suppose this might be surprising, but
I've never really worn jeans myself. For some reason, jeans just
never really caught on with me.
you must be a fatty.
Re: The Man Bun Thing
By: Vlk-451 to Nightfox on Mon Dec 28 2020 02:13 am
I don't have a man bun and don't have any cargo pants either..
I honestly prefer Jeans, so I feel you there.
In fact, I do own and enjoy a few pairs of Skinny Jeans myself.
I tend to like khaki pants. I suppose this might be surprising, but I've never really worn jeans myself. For some reason, jeans just never really caught on with me.
Re: The Man Bun Thing
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Dec 27 2020 11:39 pm
I tend to like khaki pants. I suppose this might be surprising, but
I've never really worn jeans myself. For some reason, jeans just
never really caught on with me.
you must be a fatty.
I don't know where that idea come from (I see large people wearing jeans all the time), but that has nothing to do with it.. I just never really liked the style of jeans.
Nightfox
I tend to like khaki pants. I suppose this might be surprising, but
I've never really worn jeans myself. For some reason, jeans just
never really caught on with me.
You should try the modern strechy kind. They're hardly even denim.
Vlk-451 wrote to MRO <=-
In fact, I do own and enjoy a few pairs of Skinny Jeans myself.
how can a man enjoy skinny jeans?!
I lost a lot of weight and was just excited to try a few pairs
out now that my legs don't chafe from my fat rubbing together
when walking.
I tend to get the kind with the strechy material built into it so
it's not quite as bad as leather or pure denim.
Re: The Man Bun Thing
By: Vlk-451 to Nightfox on Mon Dec 28 2020 04:00 pm
I tend to like khaki pants. I suppose this might be surprising, but
I've never really worn jeans myself. For some reason, jeans just
never really caught on with me.
You should try the modern strechy kind. They're hardly even denim.
i thought that shit was for women.
Vlk-451 wrote to MRO <=-
In fact, I do own and enjoy a few pairs of Skinny Jeans myself.
how can a man enjoy skinny jeans?!
An actual "man" can't.
I lost a lot of weight and was just excited to try a few pairs
out now that my legs don't chafe from my fat rubbing together
when walking.
I tend to get the kind with the strechy material built into it so
it's not quite as bad as leather or pure denim.
So they're actually girl's yoga pants?
No pics, please.
Vlk-451 wrote to MRO <=-
I tend to like khaki pants. I suppose this might be surprising, but
I've never really worn jeans myself. For some reason, jeans just
never really caught on with me.
You should try the modern strechy kind. They're hardly even denim.
i thought that shit was for women.
They make them in mens cuts. It's all the same shit.
Vlk-451 wrote to MRO <=-
You should try the modern strechy kind. They're hardly even denim.
i thought that shit was for women.
It is.
They make them in mens cuts. It's all the same shit.
I don't think they do. In your confusion you are probably shopping in
the Women's Plus-size department and think those are "mens cuts"...
The more you describe yourself, I'm POSITIVE you have a man-bun.
I use the term "man" loosely.
Nah, a man bun is more of a Spanish thing. All our footballers
who go to Spain like Gareth Bale end up going from skin on the
sides and long at the top to a man bun.
That is the popular trend. I don't get it. It's like balding in
reverse.
Hello Vlk-451!
** On Monday 28.12.20 - 01:41, vlk-451 wrote to Andeddu:
Nah, a man bun is more of a Spanish thing. All our footballers
who go to Spain like Gareth Bale end up going from skin on the
sides and long at the top to a man bun.
That is the popular trend. I don't get it. It's like balding in
reverse.
Vikings inspired fans? Just google for Vikings tv series and then select images. The people were tough and worshipped demi-gods.
I get touchy if they always criticise my country but never
criticise, or even discuss, their own, or seem overly obsessed
with my country's leadership. Otherwise, I feel they are free to
their opinion. :)
if people from other countries criticize the usa it's usually because
of their edia is so sensationalized. they've been that way a lot
longer than our media as been.
Yes, or they've been watching our media. It would be nice if the media would quit trying to compete with the cable news and the internet and just present the news for what it is and not the entertainment value.
Was Walter Cronkite on of the last honest News anchors?
These day's we have cockroaches like Chris Cuomo, Don Lemon, Wolf Blitzer spreading the daily gossip.
Dumas Walker wrote to DENN <=-
Was Walter Cronkite on of the last honest News anchors?
Maybe not *the* last, but certainly a member of the last group.
These day's we have cockroaches like Chris Cuomo, Don Lemon, Wolf Blitzer spreading the daily gossip.
Those are not news men, especially the first two. Pot stirrers
at best.
Was Walter Cronkite on of the last honest News anchors?
Maybe not *the* last, but certainly a member of the last group.
These day's we have cockroaches like Chris Cuomo, Don Lemon, Wolf
Blitzer spreading the daily gossip.
Those are not news men, especially the first two. Pot stirrers at best.
Those are not news men, especially the first two. Pot stirrers at best.
I equate them to the Enquirer and others.
My ex wife used to buy those and she thought they were true stories, lol
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